Han not shooting first

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  • TVF
    36577 posts Member
    It's such an edge case where this actually matters. It's more like a nerftoothpick.
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  • Of all the things we want them to fix/change, really not sure this is the hill we want to die on.

    It really doesn't change much (if anything) where it really counts anyway, so just accept it and move on.
    https://swgoh.gg/p/319514721/
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  • Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?
  • Vendi1983 wrote: »
    Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?

    Edge case, doesn't even matter (/s).

    Maybe Nest is not allowed to remove Taunt during an enemy's bonus turn, another undocumented feature that is working as programmed, nothing to see here, move along. Some people call items like this "bugs", but others would say it is working as coded and therefore nothing is wrong.
  • Vendi1983 wrote: »
    Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?

    Nest Taunt dispell can be resisted. I don't know why but it can happens in every game mode not just smugglers run.
  • Ultra
    11491 posts Moderator
    Vendi1983 wrote: »
    Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?

    Nest Taunt dispell can be resisted. I don't know why but it can happens in every game mode not just smugglers run.

    dispel doesn't go through a tenacity / potency check
  • Ultra wrote: »
    Vendi1983 wrote: »
    Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?

    Nest Taunt dispell can be resisted. I don't know why but it can happens in every game mode not just smugglers run.

    dispel doesn't go through a tenacity / potency check

    Normally not, but Nest's is for some reason. I have footage where you can see the taunt not being dispelled and two "Resisted" pop-ups. (One being expose)
  • Vendi1983 wrote: »
    Is there also a reason that Nest occasionally doesn't remove Taunt in the same Smugglers Event?

    Nest Taunt dispell can be resisted. I don't know why but it can happens in every game mode not just smugglers run.

    The way I understand it is 'can't be evaded' applies to the attack itself and the damage it does. The secondary part of the process is applying or dispelling buffs/debuffs, those still have to go through a tenacity check and can be resisted (unless it specifically says that they cannot be).
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  • Enigmatic_Potato
    796 posts Member
    edited August 2020
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    I know that swgoh.gg mechanics aren't 100% but it looks to be missing the "Effect is unresistable" tag for the taunt dispell.
  • Ultra
    11491 posts Moderator
    that .gg profile says Effect is unresistable

    I've never had Nest fail a dispel since her release, so maybe the full context behind that image might explain it (what squad you were using)
  • The dispell mechanic is in two parts, the top one is the taunt dispell (Which doesn'tsay unresistable), the bottom is the defensive buff dispell (Which does)

    https://youtu.be/CIPg7pGlOSM - SRP taunt resisted on counter around 1.45

    https://youtu.be/avdIKsRAsEA - Thrawn taunts around 57 seconds, resists the taunt dispell a couple times in a row
  • Ultra
    11491 posts Moderator
    Oh you are totally correct

    I was reading the .gg wrong

    This doesn't read WAI to me
  • ImaSmakya
    1068 posts Member
    edited September 2020
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    I know that swgoh.gg mechanics aren't 100% but it looks to be missing the "Effect is unresistable" tag for the taunt dispell.

    I think it's missing it because they specifically point out above that "Where an active effect does not have tag undispellable_taunt" although I'm not sure who has an undispellable taunt other than GAS.

    I guess Bossk could appear to have this happen if he has the zeta on his unique as the taunt could simply just pop back on.
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  • Yeah I did log a bug report on Answers HQ, but I couldn't get much traction on it because the video I used for the initial post was a Padme comp which isn't the best to show it because GK regains taunt all the time anyway.
  • Ultra
    11491 posts Moderator
    Yeah I did log a bug report on Answers HQ, but I couldn't get much traction on it because the video I used for the initial post was a Padme comp which isn't the best to show it because GK regains taunt all the time anyway.
    well

    i doubt anyone can deny the other two videos you posted here
  • Ultra wrote: »
    Yeah I did log a bug report on Answers HQ, but I couldn't get much traction on it because the video I used for the initial post was a Padme comp which isn't the best to show it because GK regains taunt all the time anyway.
    well

    i doubt anyone can deny the other two videos you posted here

    https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Nest-s-Basic-not-dispelling-Taunt/m-p/9366652/thread-id/41355

    I gave up, and just keep aware of it now.

    It doesn't really affect her too much because she can avoid Taunts and is generally used by herself.
  • The dispell mechanic is in two parts, the top one is the taunt dispell (Which doesn'tsay unresistable), the bottom is the defensive buff dispell (Which does)

    https://youtu.be/CIPg7pGlOSM - SRP taunt resisted on counter around 1.45

    https://youtu.be/avdIKsRAsEA - Thrawn taunts around 57 seconds, resists the taunt dispell a couple times in a row

    You know, that happened to me a couple times. I chalked it up to a dodge I didn’t see, or that I was crazy.

    ImaSmakya wrote: »
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    I know that swgoh.gg mechanics aren't 100% but it looks to be missing the "Effect is unresistable" tag for the taunt dispell.

    I think it's missing it because they specifically point out above that "Where an active effect does not have tag undispellable_taunt" although I'm not sure who has an undispellable taunt other than GAS.

    I guess Bossk could appear to have this happen if he has the zeta on his unique as the taunt could simply just pop back on.

    GAS has an indispensable taunt, that’s all I can think of at the moment.
  • 5 years after the game was released we are still fighting over if Han shoots first?

    This has to be the most Canon aspect of swgoh. The devs really did a great job programming him just like in the movies.
  • Kyno
    32087 posts Moderator
    The dispell mechanic is in two parts, the top one is the taunt dispell (Which doesn'tsay unresistable), the bottom is the defensive buff dispell (Which does)

    https://youtu.be/CIPg7pGlOSM - SRP taunt resisted on counter around 1.45

    https://youtu.be/avdIKsRAsEA - Thrawn taunts around 57 seconds, resists the taunt dispell a couple times in a row

    @Enigmatic_Potato

    I asked and have a follow up question for them after sharing your video, but the initial answer I got is that dispell is not resistable.
  • the initial answer I got is that dispell is not resistable.

    I thought that was supposed to be the case, but I've quite clearly seen my Nest hit without dispelling taunt. Doesn't happen a lot, but it happens.
  • Gifafi
    6017 posts Member
    when did thrawn get a taunt ability?
    Maybe End Game isn't for you
  • TVF
    36577 posts Member
    It's one of the galactic challenge specific thingies.
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  • Kyno
    32087 posts Moderator
    the initial answer I got is that dispell is not resistable.

    I thought that was supposed to be the case, but I've quite clearly seen my Nest hit without dispelling taunt. Doesn't happen a lot, but it happens.

    Without more details it would be hard to say ehats going on. There are cases where taunts reapply, or maybe nest missed.
  • MasterSeedy
    5035 posts Member
    edited September 2020
    Without more details it would be hard to say ehats going on. There are cases where taunts reapply, or maybe nest missed.

    Well I wasn't asking for an explanation, but since you bring it up, you already missed one of the details that I did give:
    I've quite clearly seen my Nest hit without dispelling taunt. Doesn't happen a lot, but it happens.

    I'm not talking about cases where Nest missed.

    That said, I don't really care since I've only seen it happen events, and since I can beat all the events in which she's useful even with taunt surviving an attack, it's not worth it to me to even report it to CG. I only mention it so that the other people who thought they saw that happen to them don't think they're crazy.
  • Kyno
    32087 posts Moderator
    UPDATE: dispell shouldn't be resistable, but nests dispell was not tagged properly causing her to not dispell some times.

    This is a bug and has been flagged as such.
  • Perfect. Thanks @Kyno
  • Working as programmed. Learn to deal with it, right? That's the stance we are taking on these issues now, is it not?
  • Working as programmed. Learn to deal with it, right? That's the stance we are taking on these issues now, is it not?

    Such love
  • Treeburner wrote: »
    Working as programmed. Learn to deal with it, right? That's the stance we are taking on these issues now, is it not?

    Such love

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  • @Treeburner
    Such love

    I know.
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