Why Does Every Team Target Fives?

13jkelly · October 28, 2020 9:37PM

Every single time I put my GAS team out the AI go full force after fives GL or not. I’ve faced darth revan teams, padme teams, GG teams, rebels and it always the same. As soon as GAS goes down they don’t attack any other clone except fives resulting in me losing every single time. The AI are so predictable now and I find it stupidly annoying. My GAS team that I worked so hard to get no longer has viability because as soon as fives is down it’s game over. Even facing other GAS team I’ve not been able to win unless it was by total chance. I can’t remember the last time fives triggered a sacrifice. CG Im begging you to stop allowing the AI to all out target fives at least for non GL teams.

el_mago · October 28, 2020 9:39PM

So you want the AI to let you win?

13jkelly · October 28, 2020 11:27PM

No. The GAS team revolves around fives. If the AI keep targeting fives then GAS can no longer beat the majority if teams on offense. Literally arc is lucky to hit above 30k at relic 7 without sacrifice. Either make it to where clones don’t have to rely so much on fives sacrifices or stop causing the ai to focus on a top priority toon.

AlienOverlord · October 29, 2020 8:53AM

I use GAS a lot and I've only noticed that GLs target 5s and I agree, it sucks. I've noticed a change to Malak recently that makes DR teams a joke, because Malak kills himself against GAS counter attacks before most of the DR team gets a turn. Padme has only been a problem when it has GK and GAS and even then it's not too bad. I don't see any rebels or seperatists in my arena.
In my GAS mirror matches, my 5s rarely doesn't get to sacrifice and I win 95% of the time.

Nojow · October 29, 2020 9:45AM

Hmm I actually had a similar experience last grand arena. Was up against some Kylo/sith variant and I opted to use 501st instead of my usual counter because I “knew” malak would life drain the weakest unit and trigger sacrifice for an easy win. Then when the time came after everything went according to plan, Malak used drain on Fives who still had protection instead of all the other clones who had 100% health or less, I had literally never seen him do that before. Was a bit annoying since I only used that over fives cheese because I assumed malak and DR wouldn’t be targeting fives, guess they do now

Lukeando93 · October 29, 2020 9:57AM

I feel like this is correct, if you put Gas on defence everyone would target 5s first so why shouldnt the AI do the same?

el_mago · October 29, 2020 1:33PM

AlienOverlord wrote: »

I use GAS a lot and I've only noticed that GLs target 5s and I agree, it sucks. I've noticed a change to Malak recently that makes DR teams a joke, because Malak kills himself against GAS counter attacks before most of the DR team gets a turn. Padme has only been a problem when it has GK and GAS and even then it's not too bad. I don't see any rebels or seperatists in my arena.
In my GAS mirror matches, my 5s rarely doesn't get to sacrifice and I win 95% of the time.

Doja_Fett addressed the Malak "bug" in another thread. He said, to paraphrase, "devs are gonna fix it"

Lukeando93 wrote: »

I feel like this is correct, if you put Gas on defence everyone would target 5s first so why shouldnt the AI do the same?

Agreed.

scuba · October 29, 2020 2:58PM

Lukeando93 wrote: »

I feel like this is correct, if you put Gas on defence everyone would target 5s first so why shouldnt the AI do the same?

I know I do when it matters. However sometimes it is fun to trigger his sacrifice and try to win.

13jkelly · October 29, 2020 8:09PM

I don’t mind the ai winning. I just feel without fives sacrifice that Gas becomes incredibly weak because the clones damage without sacrifice is garbage besides Rex annihilate. Echo and arcs damage just aren’t that good to me without sacrifice. I have arc modded for full offense and echo critical damage.

MemeMaster · October 29, 2020 9:21PM

I myself am just laughing at the fact that CG created an ability that is so broken they have to manually hard-code the whole **** game to avoid triggering it, if possible.

Thought, people do stop hard focusing fives if you have 2 or less 501st clones in the lineup. If his sacrifice either can't be triggered, or is not deemed a risk, the AI goes ham on him.

Mephisto_style · October 29, 2020 9:21PM

I think 5s taunts.

Nikoms565 · October 29, 2020 9:28PM

Lukeando93 wrote: »

I feel like this is correct, if you put Gas on defence everyone would target 5s first so why shouldnt the AI do the same?

Because, up until very recently, the AI was never hard coded to do anything specific. I honestly don't have strong feelings one way or the other. I find the inconsistency of CG's decision to ignore the AI, except in relation to very specific toon(s) odd - but whatever. It's their game, I just play it.

TVF · October 29, 2020 9:30PM

Mephisto_style wrote: »

I think 5s taunts.

Um

RandomSithLord · October 29, 2020 9:32PM

Nikoms565 wrote: »

Lukeando93 wrote: »

I feel like this is correct, if you put Gas on defence everyone would target 5s first so why shouldnt the AI do the same?

Because, up until very recently, the AI was never hard coded to do anything specific. I honestly don't have strong feelings one way or the other. I find the inconsistency of CG's decision to ignore the AI, except in relation to very specific toon(s) odd - but whatever. It's their game, I just play it.

Very recently meaning JKR marking Traya 2 years ago?

DarjeloSalas · October 29, 2020 9:33PM

I’m struggling with this thread... I still use GAS in GAC / TW matches and I don’t think it’s likely to lose to DR or Padme with him. I don’t think it’s even remotely possible to lose to GG or Rebels.

@13jkelly is your GAS g13?

TVF · October 29, 2020 9:33PM

How old are you Nik??!!!!!?!?!

DarjeloSalas · October 29, 2020 9:40PM

Now I’m even more confused...

https://swgoh.gg/p/285395777/characters/

This is you, right? You don’t have GAS.

Nikoms565 · October 29, 2020 10:44PM

RandomSithLord wrote: »

Nikoms565 wrote: »

Lukeando93 wrote: »

I feel like this is correct, if you put Gas on defence everyone would target 5s first so why shouldnt the AI do the same?

Because, up until very recently, the AI was never hard coded to do anything specific. I honestly don't have strong feelings one way or the other. I find the inconsistency of CG's decision to ignore the AI, except in relation to very specific toon(s) odd - but whatever. It's their game, I just play it.

Very recently meaning JKR marking Traya 2 years ago?

Good point. Perhaps "very" was overstating it. That was the first on e though, IIRC....which I may not.

So 2 years ago in a 5 year old game? "Kinda recently"?

Nikoms565 · October 29, 2020 10:45PM

TVF wrote: »

How old are you Nik??!!!!!?!?!

Judging by your jokes and comments, probably about the same age as you.

el_mago · October 30, 2020 7:41AM

DarjeloSalas wrote: »

Now I’m even more confused...

https://swgoh.gg/p/285395777/characters/

This is you, right? You don’t have GAS.

I saw that too...very confusing.

DarthGlovoc · October 30, 2020 10:43AM

If you put high defense mods on him and then stick a zetas bariss in it will negate this somewhat.

TVF · October 30, 2020 2:11PM

Nikoms565 wrote: »

TVF wrote: »

How old are you Nik??!!!!!?!?!

Judging by your jokes and comments, probably about the same age as you.

RIP both of us.

Rebmes · October 30, 2020 2:41PM

Lukeando93 wrote: »

I feel like this is correct, if you put Gas on defence everyone would target 5s first so why shouldnt the AI do the same?

lol @ expecting the AI to ruin its own battles and crying when it doesn't.

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