Shard Economy Changes [MEGA]

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  • Good to see CG listening to feedback! Thanks @CG_Doja_Fett for relaying our concerns and getting this over the line. Fingers crossed that the changes are felt when everyone starts using them auto clickers :)
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  • Kudos to all for keeping the pressure on CG to fix the nerf...crazy to think it took this long to make a 5 minute coding change.
  • So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.
  • So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo
    I reject your reality and substitute my own.
  • So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.
  • So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.
    I reject your reality and substitute my own.
  • So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    It was never a "big" deal, but it certainly had an impact.

    If you were burning a large amount of ally points, you could reasonably expect to obtain 1-2 shards per 1000 ally points. The change to the single shard drops, but not the full character drops, left people worse off than they were before.

    As an example, just before the change, I burned 60K ally points and got a tasty 115 shards. 80 of those shards were from full character pulls (2 x 25, 3 x 10). The rest were single shards. That gave me 115 x 15 = 1725 shard shop bucks.

    Following the change, exactly the same process would have earned me 150 shards. 150 x 15 = 2250 shard shop bucks.

    The price of everything in the shard shop doubled, but my ally point income did not double. In fact it only increased by 30%.

    So the change will have a noticable impact to people that pay attention.
  • Gifafi
    5219 posts Member
    will there be any change to GG prices in shard shop?
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  • Kyno
    28163 posts Moderator
    Gifafi wrote: »
    will there be any change to GG prices in shard shop?

    @Gifafi I dont recall his price per shard before the change, but didn't he stay at the same "buying power" if his price was doubled, along with everything else?
  • Fingolfin26
    150 posts Member
    edited December 2020
    So i wonder if we'll get the final step here and double the amount of ally points given. So if you hit on a full drop, say 10 snow trooper shards, then in order to get to the net neutral fix you have to spend more ally points. So all things being equal and balancing out you now have to spend double the ally points to get the same value of shards shop currency, add in the fact that in order to get that second drop of shards you give up a drop of gear, it would be nice to double the ally points or halve the cost of bronziums to match this.
    Any possibility @CG_Doja_Fett?
  • TVF
    27424 posts Member
    Gifafi wrote: »
    will there be any change to GG prices in shard shop?

    Does it matter?

    No one should be buying him there now regardless of the answer to this.
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  • TVF
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    So i wonder if we'll get the final step here and double the amount of ally points given. So if you hit on a full drop, say 10 snow trooper shards, then in order to get to the net neutral fix you have to spend more ally points. So all things being equal and balancing out you now have to spend double the ally points to get the same value of shards shop currency, add in the fact that in order to get that second drop of shards you give up a drop of gear, it would be nice to double the ally points or halve the cost of bronziums to match this.

    Er, what???

    With this final change that has been announced, everything is neutral, other than the added benefit of farming older (than one year) toons in half the time.
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  • So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.
  • TVF
    27424 posts Member
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    Weeks at a time?

    Press X to doubt.
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  • Kyno
    28163 posts Moderator
    So i wonder if we'll get the final step here and double the amount of ally points given. So if you hit on a full drop, say 10 snow trooper shards, then in order to get to the net neutral fix you have to spend more ally points. So all things being equal and balancing out you now have to spend double the ally points to get the same value of shards shop currency, add in the fact that in order to get that second drop of shards you give up a drop of gear, it would be nice to double the ally points or halve the cost of bronziums to match this.
    Any possibility CG_Doja_Fett?

    @Fingolfin26 I'm not sure why you think there is "another step" here to balance this out.

    if they double the rate that full characters appear, then we are very very close to net neutral, without spending any more than we normally do/would have. The only loss in this solution, is that a full character drop is now more likley to replace a gear drop from bronzium.

    theoretically what is happening now is for example:
    Pre change your 10 free drops - 7 gear, 2 single shards, 1 full character

    post change your 10 free drops - 6 gear, 2 single shards, 2 full character drops or 7 gear, 1 single shard, 2 full character drops.

    as a very rough example.

    I'm not sure why we would need to spend more to have this balance out?
  • So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.
    There is no way this is true. I have been doing a twice weekly dump of my ally points and I'm getting multiple full character drops every time I do it.

    People get bent out of shape because in the land of reality the impact is not minimal.
  • Konju
    574 posts Member
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    I also believe that this is extremely bad RNG or potentially false.

    I just spent 10K ally tokens to test this and received the following drops (I also got 2 shards of a tusken and 2 shards of a jaws, neither of which is at 7*). My case could be the opposite swing of the RNG pendulum, but seems in line with expectations of drops.
    o0ydg3xoqwfd.png

    Note: my GW shards had already been converted to SSC before this test.
  • So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    The Kaizen Effect. Two days of spending ally points may not have a “noticeable impact”, but many of us have been playing for years. Over weeks, months, and years there will definitely be an impact.
    I reject your reality and substitute my own.
  • TVF wrote: »
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    Weeks at a time?

    Press X to doubt.

    Yeah buddy, sometimes it's weeks in between full toon drops

    Every time we get double drops we see a bunch of posts here and reddit with people showing their zero drops. It may not happen to you, but it does to others.

    I've never pulled a 230 or 330 shard drop from a marquee pack, there's other who have gotten those multiple times. And yes I've picked up more than one marquee pack.

    It's all random remember? As far as I know there's no way to control that randomness.
  • So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    The Kaizen Effect. Two days of spending ally points may not have a “noticeable impact”, but many of us have been playing for years. Over weeks, months, and years there will definitely be an impact.

    A miniscule impact is still an impact, so yes you are correct.

    For me, the perceived impact is not very high. Now if they doubled the drops on raid shards (I know they've stated it's not planned), that's a different story.
  • TVF
    27424 posts Member
    TVF wrote: »
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    Weeks at a time?

    Press X to doubt.

    Yeah buddy, sometimes it's weeks in between full toon drops

    Every time we get double drops we see a bunch of posts here and reddit with people showing their zero drops. It may not happen to you, but it does to others.

    I've never pulled a 230 or 330 shard drop from a marquee pack, there's other who have gotten those multiple times. And yes I've picked up more than one marquee pack.

    It's all random remember? As far as I know there's no way to control that randomness.

    That's not how it works friend.
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  • TVF
    27424 posts Member
    TVF wrote: »
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    Weeks at a time?

    Press X to doubt.

    Yeah buddy, sometimes it's weeks in between full toon drops

    Every time we get double drops we see a bunch of posts here and reddit with people showing their zero drops. It may not happen to you, but it does to others.

    I've never pulled a 230 or 330 shard drop from a marquee pack, there's other who have gotten those multiple times. And yes I've picked up more than one marquee pack.

    It's all random remember? As far as I know there's no way to control that randomness.

    Actual data!

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vyTVQsqXo1HtlVzz-VOCFgisKD_Pis1QIFqAI4j6w5s/edit#gid=0

    1.9% drop rate on 2681 pulls. You said you do 25k every few days, let's say you do 50k a week.

    50,000 points / 250 per pull = 200 pulls x 1.9% = 3.8 full characters. You should get almost 4 full characters to drop each week on average.

    Possibility 1: You are amazingly lucky.
    Possibility 2: You are exaggerating like crazy.

    My money is on 2.
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  • TVF
    27424 posts Member
    edit: unlucky

    I dare not edit the post for fear of spam filter swallowing my work
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  • Kyno
    28163 posts Moderator
    TVF wrote: »
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    Weeks at a time?

    Press X to doubt.

    Yeah buddy, sometimes it's weeks in between full toon drops

    Every time we get double drops we see a bunch of posts here and reddit with people showing their zero drops. It may not happen to you, but it does to others.

    I've never pulled a 230 or 330 shard drop from a marquee pack, there's other who have gotten those multiple times. And yes I've picked up more than one marquee pack.

    It's all random remember? As far as I know there's no way to control that randomness.

    double drops happen over short periods of time, small sample sizes are when those types of situations are going to happen.

    it would be interesting to see you collect some data on this to show what you are saying, but from all the bronzium pulls I have done leading up to this change, its hard to imagine going 50k without a full character, so from your numbers, that would be once a week. (I did a bunch of 50K pulls while showing the losses players could see)
  • TVF
    27424 posts Member
    @Kyno look right above your post lol
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  • TVF wrote: »
    edit: unlucky

    I dare not edit the post for fear of spam filter swallowing my work

    You can always select all and copy first. Then if it eats it, you can repost quickly
  • Kyno
    28163 posts Moderator
    TVF wrote: »
    edit: unlucky

    I dare not edit the post for fear of spam filter swallowing my work

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  • TVF
    27424 posts Member
    TVF wrote: »
    edit: unlucky

    I dare not edit the post for fear of spam filter swallowing my work

    You can always select all and copy first. Then if it eats it, you can repost quickly

    The spam filter is smarter than that. I have tried that exact thing and it ate the copy too.
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  • TVF wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    edit: unlucky

    I dare not edit the post for fear of spam filter swallowing my work

    You can always select all and copy first. Then if it eats it, you can repost quickly

    The spam filter is smarter than that. I have tried that exact thing and it ate the copy too.

    It has worked for me before.
  • TVF
    27424 posts Member
    TVF wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    edit: unlucky

    I dare not edit the post for fear of spam filter swallowing my work

    You can always select all and copy first. Then if it eats it, you can repost quickly

    The spam filter is smarter than that. I have tried that exact thing and it ate the copy too.

    It has worked for me before.

    Post your data.
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