Shard Economy Changes [MEGA]

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    MaruMaru wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    Weeks at a time?

    Press X to doubt.

    Yeah buddy, sometimes it's weeks in between full toon drops

    Every time we get double drops we see a bunch of posts here and reddit with people showing their zero drops. It may not happen to you, but it does to others.

    I've never pulled a 230 or 330 shard drop from a marquee pack, there's other who have gotten those multiple times. And yes I've picked up more than one marquee pack.

    It's all random remember? As far as I know there's no way to control that randomness.

    rc8zq7uw7eag.jpeg

    But the probability of 230, 330 dropping from a pack are stated, and at 1 in 40,000 it’s no wonder that hasn’t happened for you. I’d also love to know who has gotten it “multiple” times.

    What you’re suggesting is that when burning ~50k ally points a week, for several weeks, you don’t hit even a 10 shard full character drop once in that period.

    Even for 2 weeks, that’s ~500 bronziums (including your free daily attempts). There is no way the probability of hitting a full character is that low.

    The easiest thing in the world is to come on the forums and spout blandishments about RNG, but they need to be believable to be believed.

    Since every pull is treated as individual instance it is entirely possible that some could use 100k in ally points and pull 0 full toons. Same for double drops.

    Ahnald has been live streaming his pack pulls for a while I'm pretty sure he's pulled both 230 and 330 pulls on different occasions. I also had an old guild mate get amazingly lucky and pull 330s twice last year.

    These things are all mathematically possible. I'm not saying that I always go weeks at a time without ever hitting a full toon drop, but it has happened to me a few times over the 5 years I've been playing.

    Again I'm not saying that these things always happen, but to argue that it's impossible and does not happen from time to time is also naive.

    Kyno TVF

    we can agree to disagree, but what you are saying above does not match the below statement you made earlier:
    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time,

    if its only happened a few times over that you have not gotten full characters over the past 5 years, lets say 10 times a year. that means 50 times in your life of playing this game, that leaves 200 times it has happened. (52 weeks a year and lets just say you pull bronzium once a week) that seems like a significant thing to me. but you seem to disagree. thats fine, but I can see why people wouldn't want to lose any income from any source, never mind something with a direct link to G12 and somewhere in the neighborhood of 15% lose to that.

    no one was really upset about the daily loss, the real point was that if this was never fixed, that is a significate long term loss of income. but its a moot point as this will be fixed in an upcoming update.

    I never said how often it happens, only that there are times it happens for weeks at a time, so while it may have been a bit misleading, which was not intended, it's technically true lol

    giphy.gif

    You don't have to believe, I don't need your validation 😉

    K, safely ignored then. If you check back in the thread the attempts at showing how much portion of our shard shop income comes from bronzium fulls vary around %5-%15 which is nothing like -I don't get all that many, so doesn't matter anyways-.

    Well to everyone else's points, where's the data to show that historically more shards have been earned from full toon pulls as compared single pulls or through other means?

    Since I didn't say full pulls give more shards than singles or other means, I have no idea how to answer that. What I rather said is right there in the quote though. I'll leave it to you to check back in the topic to see the attempts at how much of the shard shop income comes from fulls (which by the nature of the thing varies between players).
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    for example ... on a 6 dice every side have the same chance to hit but this beginn to relativize after 10.000 throws.
    withe % drop chace it is similar ... you cant take a part off the hole piture were you hav bad or good luck you have to check this over long time ... and in the end withe this last change we will have same like bevor

    i am soothe o:)
  • TVF
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    Kyno wrote: »
    MaruMaru wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    Weeks at a time?

    Press X to doubt.

    Yeah buddy, sometimes it's weeks in between full toon drops

    Every time we get double drops we see a bunch of posts here and reddit with people showing their zero drops. It may not happen to you, but it does to others.

    I've never pulled a 230 or 330 shard drop from a marquee pack, there's other who have gotten those multiple times. And yes I've picked up more than one marquee pack.

    It's all random remember? As far as I know there's no way to control that randomness.

    rc8zq7uw7eag.jpeg

    But the probability of 230, 330 dropping from a pack are stated, and at 1 in 40,000 it’s no wonder that hasn’t happened for you. I’d also love to know who has gotten it “multiple” times.

    What you’re suggesting is that when burning ~50k ally points a week, for several weeks, you don’t hit even a 10 shard full character drop once in that period.

    Even for 2 weeks, that’s ~500 bronziums (including your free daily attempts). There is no way the probability of hitting a full character is that low.

    The easiest thing in the world is to come on the forums and spout blandishments about RNG, but they need to be believable to be believed.

    Since every pull is treated as individual instance it is entirely possible that some could use 100k in ally points and pull 0 full toons. Same for double drops.

    Ahnald has been live streaming his pack pulls for a while I'm pretty sure he's pulled both 230 and 330 pulls on different occasions. I also had an old guild mate get amazingly lucky and pull 330s twice last year.

    These things are all mathematically possible. I'm not saying that I always go weeks at a time without ever hitting a full toon drop, but it has happened to me a few times over the 5 years I've been playing.

    Again I'm not saying that these things always happen, but to argue that it's impossible and does not happen from time to time is also naive.

    Kyno TVF

    we can agree to disagree, but what you are saying above does not match the below statement you made earlier:
    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time,

    if its only happened a few times over that you have not gotten full characters over the past 5 years, lets say 10 times a year. that means 50 times in your life of playing this game, that leaves 200 times it has happened. (52 weeks a year and lets just say you pull bronzium once a week) that seems like a significant thing to me. but you seem to disagree. thats fine, but I can see why people wouldn't want to lose any income from any source, never mind something with a direct link to G12 and somewhere in the neighborhood of 15% lose to that.

    no one was really upset about the daily loss, the real point was that if this was never fixed, that is a significate long term loss of income. but its a moot point as this will be fixed in an upcoming update.

    I never said how often it happens, only that there are times it happens for weeks at a time, so while it may have been a bit misleading, which was not intended, it's technically true lol

    giphy.gif

    You don't have to believe, I don't need your validation 😉

    K, safely ignored then. If you check back in the thread the attempts at showing how much portion of our shard shop income comes from bronzium fulls vary around %5-%15 which is nothing like -I don't get all that many, so doesn't matter anyways-.

    Well to everyone else's points, where's the data to show that historically more shards have been earned from full toon pulls as compared single pulls or through other means?

    People have shown data that shows that roughly 15% or so of bronzium shards come full characters.

    But where are the charts! I demand spreadsheets!!!





    We apparently can go in circles on this for days. So yes we'll agree to disagree.
    I'm only kidding about the charts. Not the spreadsheets though. I want those.

    I gave you one with over 2000 data points. You ignored it.
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  • Kyno
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    Kyno wrote: »
    MaruMaru wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    Weeks at a time?

    Press X to doubt.

    Yeah buddy, sometimes it's weeks in between full toon drops

    Every time we get double drops we see a bunch of posts here and reddit with people showing their zero drops. It may not happen to you, but it does to others.

    I've never pulled a 230 or 330 shard drop from a marquee pack, there's other who have gotten those multiple times. And yes I've picked up more than one marquee pack.

    It's all random remember? As far as I know there's no way to control that randomness.

    rc8zq7uw7eag.jpeg

    But the probability of 230, 330 dropping from a pack are stated, and at 1 in 40,000 it’s no wonder that hasn’t happened for you. I’d also love to know who has gotten it “multiple” times.

    What you’re suggesting is that when burning ~50k ally points a week, for several weeks, you don’t hit even a 10 shard full character drop once in that period.

    Even for 2 weeks, that’s ~500 bronziums (including your free daily attempts). There is no way the probability of hitting a full character is that low.

    The easiest thing in the world is to come on the forums and spout blandishments about RNG, but they need to be believable to be believed.

    Since every pull is treated as individual instance it is entirely possible that some could use 100k in ally points and pull 0 full toons. Same for double drops.

    Ahnald has been live streaming his pack pulls for a while I'm pretty sure he's pulled both 230 and 330 pulls on different occasions. I also had an old guild mate get amazingly lucky and pull 330s twice last year.

    These things are all mathematically possible. I'm not saying that I always go weeks at a time without ever hitting a full toon drop, but it has happened to me a few times over the 5 years I've been playing.

    Again I'm not saying that these things always happen, but to argue that it's impossible and does not happen from time to time is also naive.

    Kyno TVF

    we can agree to disagree, but what you are saying above does not match the below statement you made earlier:
    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time,

    if its only happened a few times over that you have not gotten full characters over the past 5 years, lets say 10 times a year. that means 50 times in your life of playing this game, that leaves 200 times it has happened. (52 weeks a year and lets just say you pull bronzium once a week) that seems like a significant thing to me. but you seem to disagree. thats fine, but I can see why people wouldn't want to lose any income from any source, never mind something with a direct link to G12 and somewhere in the neighborhood of 15% lose to that.

    no one was really upset about the daily loss, the real point was that if this was never fixed, that is a significate long term loss of income. but its a moot point as this will be fixed in an upcoming update.

    I never said how often it happens, only that there are times it happens for weeks at a time, so while it may have been a bit misleading, which was not intended, it's technically true lol

    giphy.gif

    You don't have to believe, I don't need your validation 😉

    K, safely ignored then. If you check back in the thread the attempts at showing how much portion of our shard shop income comes from bronzium fulls vary around %5-%15 which is nothing like -I don't get all that many, so doesn't matter anyways-.

    Well to everyone else's points, where's the data to show that historically more shards have been earned from full toon pulls as compared single pulls or through other means?

    People have shown data that shows that roughly 15% or so of bronzium shards come full characters.

    But where are the charts! I demand spreadsheets!!!





    We apparently can go in circles on this for days. So yes we'll agree to disagree.
    I'm only kidding about the charts. Not the spreadsheets though. I want those.

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    I agree we can agree to disagree, but i didn't want to leave you empty handed.
  • TVF
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    TVF wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    MaruMaru wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    Weeks at a time?

    Press X to doubt.

    Yeah buddy, sometimes it's weeks in between full toon drops

    Every time we get double drops we see a bunch of posts here and reddit with people showing their zero drops. It may not happen to you, but it does to others.

    I've never pulled a 230 or 330 shard drop from a marquee pack, there's other who have gotten those multiple times. And yes I've picked up more than one marquee pack.

    It's all random remember? As far as I know there's no way to control that randomness.

    rc8zq7uw7eag.jpeg

    But the probability of 230, 330 dropping from a pack are stated, and at 1 in 40,000 it’s no wonder that hasn’t happened for you. I’d also love to know who has gotten it “multiple” times.

    What you’re suggesting is that when burning ~50k ally points a week, for several weeks, you don’t hit even a 10 shard full character drop once in that period.

    Even for 2 weeks, that’s ~500 bronziums (including your free daily attempts). There is no way the probability of hitting a full character is that low.

    The easiest thing in the world is to come on the forums and spout blandishments about RNG, but they need to be believable to be believed.

    Since every pull is treated as individual instance it is entirely possible that some could use 100k in ally points and pull 0 full toons. Same for double drops.

    Ahnald has been live streaming his pack pulls for a while I'm pretty sure he's pulled both 230 and 330 pulls on different occasions. I also had an old guild mate get amazingly lucky and pull 330s twice last year.

    These things are all mathematically possible. I'm not saying that I always go weeks at a time without ever hitting a full toon drop, but it has happened to me a few times over the 5 years I've been playing.

    Again I'm not saying that these things always happen, but to argue that it's impossible and does not happen from time to time is also naive.

    Kyno TVF

    we can agree to disagree, but what you are saying above does not match the below statement you made earlier:
    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time,

    if its only happened a few times over that you have not gotten full characters over the past 5 years, lets say 10 times a year. that means 50 times in your life of playing this game, that leaves 200 times it has happened. (52 weeks a year and lets just say you pull bronzium once a week) that seems like a significant thing to me. but you seem to disagree. thats fine, but I can see why people wouldn't want to lose any income from any source, never mind something with a direct link to G12 and somewhere in the neighborhood of 15% lose to that.

    no one was really upset about the daily loss, the real point was that if this was never fixed, that is a significate long term loss of income. but its a moot point as this will be fixed in an upcoming update.

    I never said how often it happens, only that there are times it happens for weeks at a time, so while it may have been a bit misleading, which was not intended, it's technically true lol

    giphy.gif

    You don't have to believe, I don't need your validation 😉

    K, safely ignored then. If you check back in the thread the attempts at showing how much portion of our shard shop income comes from bronzium fulls vary around %5-%15 which is nothing like -I don't get all that many, so doesn't matter anyways-.

    Well to everyone else's points, where's the data to show that historically more shards have been earned from full toon pulls as compared single pulls or through other means?

    People have shown data that shows that roughly 15% or so of bronzium shards come full characters.

    But where are the charts! I demand spreadsheets!!!





    We apparently can go in circles on this for days. So yes we'll agree to disagree.
    I'm only kidding about the charts. Not the spreadsheets though. I want those.

    I gave you one with over 2000 data points. You ignored it.

    Sorry I forget the internet can't translate jokes and that I have to spell it out

    This is not in any way helping your case.
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    MaruMaru wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    TVF wrote: »
    So do we know what the current probability is for a full toon drop? Based on the amount of stuff in the bronziums I can't imagine it's very high.

    So while I appreciate the gesture by CG, not really sure this is going to have a noticeable impact.

    It’s not supposed to make an impact, it’s to maintain status quo

    So then what's the big deal?
    I barely even get the 10 shard full toon drops as it was.

    The value of those drops was cut in half, instead of doubling the shards that drop they are going to double the drop rate. It's fine.

    I understand that math around the values of the shards.

    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time, then I can't see why people get bent out of shape when the impact is so minimal.

    Weeks at a time?

    Press X to doubt.

    Yeah buddy, sometimes it's weeks in between full toon drops

    Every time we get double drops we see a bunch of posts here and reddit with people showing their zero drops. It may not happen to you, but it does to others.

    I've never pulled a 230 or 330 shard drop from a marquee pack, there's other who have gotten those multiple times. And yes I've picked up more than one marquee pack.

    It's all random remember? As far as I know there's no way to control that randomness.

    rc8zq7uw7eag.jpeg

    But the probability of 230, 330 dropping from a pack are stated, and at 1 in 40,000 it’s no wonder that hasn’t happened for you. I’d also love to know who has gotten it “multiple” times.

    What you’re suggesting is that when burning ~50k ally points a week, for several weeks, you don’t hit even a 10 shard full character drop once in that period.

    Even for 2 weeks, that’s ~500 bronziums (including your free daily attempts). There is no way the probability of hitting a full character is that low.

    The easiest thing in the world is to come on the forums and spout blandishments about RNG, but they need to be believable to be believed.

    Since every pull is treated as individual instance it is entirely possible that some could use 100k in ally points and pull 0 full toons. Same for double drops.

    Ahnald has been live streaming his pack pulls for a while I'm pretty sure he's pulled both 230 and 330 pulls on different occasions. I also had an old guild mate get amazingly lucky and pull 330s twice last year.

    These things are all mathematically possible. I'm not saying that I always go weeks at a time without ever hitting a full toon drop, but it has happened to me a few times over the 5 years I've been playing.

    Again I'm not saying that these things always happen, but to argue that it's impossible and does not happen from time to time is also naive.

    Kyno TVF

    we can agree to disagree, but what you are saying above does not match the below statement you made earlier:
    My point is when I unload 25k ally points every few days and I don't receive any full toon drops for weeks at a time,

    if its only happened a few times over that you have not gotten full characters over the past 5 years, lets say 10 times a year. that means 50 times in your life of playing this game, that leaves 200 times it has happened. (52 weeks a year and lets just say you pull bronzium once a week) that seems like a significant thing to me. but you seem to disagree. thats fine, but I can see why people wouldn't want to lose any income from any source, never mind something with a direct link to G12 and somewhere in the neighborhood of 15% lose to that.

    no one was really upset about the daily loss, the real point was that if this was never fixed, that is a significate long term loss of income. but its a moot point as this will be fixed in an upcoming update.

    I never said how often it happens, only that there are times it happens for weeks at a time, so while it may have been a bit misleading, which was not intended, it's technically true lol

    giphy.gif

    You don't have to believe, I don't need your validation 😉

    K, safely ignored then. If you check back in the thread the attempts at showing how much portion of our shard shop income comes from bronzium fulls vary around %5-%15 which is nothing like -I don't get all that many, so doesn't matter anyways-.

    Well to everyone else's points, where's the data to show that historically more shards have been earned from full toon pulls as compared single pulls or through other means?

    If you look back earlier in the thread it's there. People shared the shards they got from opening hundreds of thousands or even millions of bronizums and the full character portion of shards came out to about 80%.

    And the portion of the full drops compared to all shard shop currency came out to about 10% to 15%. The math for that is also earlier in the thread.
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    Has the drop rate of the full characters changed yet?
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    Has the drop rate of the full characters changed yet?

    Game has been updated, u can try and let us know
  • Kyno
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    @Winterwolves next week.
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    Kyno wrote: »
    @Winterwolves next week.

    Yeah. I feel like this was announced in a post where I also stated my favorite vegetables are leeks.
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    Kyno wrote: »
    @Winterwolves next week.

    Yeah. I feel like this was announced in a post where I also stated my favorite vegetables are leeks.

    Orange you gonna tell us your favorite fruit?

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    L0rdVāder wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    @Winterwolves next week.

    Yeah. I feel like this was announced in a post where I also stated my favorite vegetables are leeks.

    Orange you gonna tell us your favorite fruit?

    Careful, or else I'll have to ban Anna.
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    L0rdVāder wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    @Winterwolves next week.

    Yeah. I feel like this was announced in a post where I also stated my favorite vegetables are leeks.

    Orange you gonna tell us your favorite fruit?

    Careful, or else I'll have to ban Anna.


    Poor anna, this would be grape for us all though
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    The only thing I know is I farmed alot in shard store. With the changes I'm not getting nowhere near as much as I was. As if the new mod levels and relic levels weren't enough income wise.
    So sad. Very disappointing.
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    Qubit wrote: »
    The only thing I know is I farmed alot in shard store. With the changes I'm not getting nowhere near as much as I was. As if the new mod levels and relic levels weren't enough income wise.
    So sad. Very disappointing.

    Next week the drops rates of full characters out of Bronziums will be increased. This will effectively provide net neutral change from before the shard economy change.
  • TVF
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    L0rdVāder wrote: »
    L0rdVāder wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    @Winterwolves next week.

    Yeah. I feel like this was announced in a post where I also stated my favorite vegetables are leeks.

    Orange you gonna tell us your favorite fruit?

    Careful, or else I'll have to ban Anna.


    Poor anna, this would be grape for us all though

    The cherry on top of the week.
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    I was berry sad when I realized I missed all the great puns in this thread this past week. Some of these are plum examples of great puns.
    In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie

    In game guild: TNR Uprising
    I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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    Nikoms565 wrote: »
    I was berry sad when I realized I missed all the great puns in this thread this past week. Some of these are plum examples of great puns.

    I thought I was going to miss these because I was getting married this week, but since we cantaloupe the wedding is now set for 2022.
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    I'm surprised nobody has said, "Mango somewhere else with those bad puns!"
  • Konju
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    Seems we are searching for any raisin to keep the thread open. 😉
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    Yeah, I really apeachiate it guys. :D;)
    “But you know what I always say: Speak softly and drive a big tank.”
  • Ultra
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    Leaf Doja Fett Alone
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    Coming up next: Doja drops the ball on conqwest.
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    I just hope Doja didn't get beet up over the leek. It's not something he mint to do.
    I reject your reality and substitute my own.
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    I just hope Doja didn't get beet up over the leek. It's not something he mint to do.

    Dropping a triple on us? Dang. I'm trying to romaine calm.
  • DarthVenomis
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    “But you know what I always say: Speak softly and drive a big tank.”
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    Don't make me dew it honey
    “But you know what I always say: Speak softly and drive a big tank.”
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    Kiwi stop already?
    In game name: Lucas Gregory FORMER PLAYER - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie

    In game guild: TNR Uprising
    I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
    *This space left intentionally blank*
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