Will mando retcon the sequels (if you don't want spoilers don't read)

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    Kyno wrote: »
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    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.
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    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.
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    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.
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    StarSon wrote: »
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    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.
    StarSon wrote: »
    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.

    Ok. Feel free to speculate on how you think it will tie into them then.

    Why do they have to tie into them at all? Just because they don't retcon them, they also have to someone tie in to their story, which happens 15-20 years after where we are in the Mandalorian right now?

    They don't have to tie directly in. But if they don't retcon the sequels, at some point shows like the mandolorian would have to make sense in the events that happen in them. Or are you suggesting they just stop after the mandolorian and leave the period alone?

    No, I'm just saying it's a large Galaxy. We see some things that we can relate to (Rebel soldiers, Empire officers, etc) but so far nothing actually ties directly in to any of the events in any of the movies or TV shows.

    I expect we'll see an Ahsoka series where she's trying to find Ezra, and maybe what happens when/if she does, but I doubt very much anything in the Mandalorian will actually have anything to do with any of the movies outside of more random Easter Eggs.

    The shows have a history of filling in the gaps a bit. Clonewars between episodes 2 and 3. Rebels for the events prior to episode 4.

    John Favero has already stated that in future seasons the scope of the show is expected to grow, following multiple storylines game of thrones style.

    It could just leave the sequels completely alone but that is unlikely if they are trying to only have one timeline as you say and the sequels were a big success as you say. Why wouldn't they try to tie into them? Obviously, I know of several reasons why not but you claim they aren't right. So please explain your reasoning.

    The other shows were very explicitly supposed to tie in. This one, not so much. Not to say it can't, just I don't think it will.

    I suspect they've realized how terrible Star Wars fans are, and will try to get as much distance from anything they don't create ASAP. That means leaving the entire trilogy of trilogies alone, and doing other things. Like a Western style bounty hunter show and random off-shoots with favorite characters that don't touch any plot points of the 9 movies and eventually into different eras entirely. That gets them away from people like you who think they could have made a better movie, if only they had $5B to do so.

    Just to step in here - the funds for the movie(s) weren't the issue, the issue was the nonsense plots and bad character development.
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    Kyno wrote: »
    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive

    Drove me insane when that was said.

    Almost as much as ships going into/out of hyperspace in the gravity well of a planet. (I'm old, sue me)

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    StarSon wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.

    Imho, the skywalker family has screwed up the galaxy enough.
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    StarSon wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.

    Imho, the skywalker family has screwed up the galaxy enough.

    You mean Palpatine family? It shouldnt be called the Skywalker saga when they were just the puppets to the Palpatine family.
    We needed Cobb Vanth shards for Krayt Dragon raid, Endor Gear Luke shards for Speeder Bike raid and Anakin Skywalker shards for Battle for Naboo raid?
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    LordDirt wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.

    Imho, the skywalker family has screwed up the galaxy enough.

    You mean Palpatine family? It shouldnt be called the Skywalker saga when they were just the puppets to the Palpatine family.

    Without the Skywalker family Palpatine would still be a senator from Naboo. I have spoken.
  • StarSon
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    RTS wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.
    StarSon wrote: »
    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.

    Ok. Feel free to speculate on how you think it will tie into them then.

    Why do they have to tie into them at all? Just because they don't retcon them, they also have to someone tie in to their story, which happens 15-20 years after where we are in the Mandalorian right now?

    They don't have to tie directly in. But if they don't retcon the sequels, at some point shows like the mandolorian would have to make sense in the events that happen in them. Or are you suggesting they just stop after the mandolorian and leave the period alone?

    No, I'm just saying it's a large Galaxy. We see some things that we can relate to (Rebel soldiers, Empire officers, etc) but so far nothing actually ties directly in to any of the events in any of the movies or TV shows.

    I expect we'll see an Ahsoka series where she's trying to find Ezra, and maybe what happens when/if she does, but I doubt very much anything in the Mandalorian will actually have anything to do with any of the movies outside of more random Easter Eggs.

    The shows have a history of filling in the gaps a bit. Clonewars between episodes 2 and 3. Rebels for the events prior to episode 4.

    John Favero has already stated that in future seasons the scope of the show is expected to grow, following multiple storylines game of thrones style.

    It could just leave the sequels completely alone but that is unlikely if they are trying to only have one timeline as you say and the sequels were a big success as you say. Why wouldn't they try to tie into them? Obviously, I know of several reasons why not but you claim they aren't right. So please explain your reasoning.

    The other shows were very explicitly supposed to tie in. This one, not so much. Not to say it can't, just I don't think it will.

    I suspect they've realized how terrible Star Wars fans are, and will try to get as much distance from anything they don't create ASAP. That means leaving the entire trilogy of trilogies alone, and doing other things. Like a Western style bounty hunter show and random off-shoots with favorite characters that don't touch any plot points of the 9 movies and eventually into different eras entirely. That gets them away from people like you who think they could have made a better movie, if only they had $5B to do so.

    Just to step in here - the funds for the movie(s) weren't the issue, the issue was the nonsense plots and bad character development.

    Then I suggest you find $5B, buy the franchise, and make the movies you want to make. If the funds are the issue, should be easy enough.
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    RTS wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.
    StarSon wrote: »
    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.

    Ok. Feel free to speculate on how you think it will tie into them then.

    Why do they have to tie into them at all? Just because they don't retcon them, they also have to someone tie in to their story, which happens 15-20 years after where we are in the Mandalorian right now?

    They don't have to tie directly in. But if they don't retcon the sequels, at some point shows like the mandolorian would have to make sense in the events that happen in them. Or are you suggesting they just stop after the mandolorian and leave the period alone?

    No, I'm just saying it's a large Galaxy. We see some things that we can relate to (Rebel soldiers, Empire officers, etc) but so far nothing actually ties directly in to any of the events in any of the movies or TV shows.

    I expect we'll see an Ahsoka series where she's trying to find Ezra, and maybe what happens when/if she does, but I doubt very much anything in the Mandalorian will actually have anything to do with any of the movies outside of more random Easter Eggs.

    The shows have a history of filling in the gaps a bit. Clonewars between episodes 2 and 3. Rebels for the events prior to episode 4.

    John Favero has already stated that in future seasons the scope of the show is expected to grow, following multiple storylines game of thrones style.

    It could just leave the sequels completely alone but that is unlikely if they are trying to only have one timeline as you say and the sequels were a big success as you say. Why wouldn't they try to tie into them? Obviously, I know of several reasons why not but you claim they aren't right. So please explain your reasoning.

    The other shows were very explicitly supposed to tie in. This one, not so much. Not to say it can't, just I don't think it will.

    I suspect they've realized how terrible Star Wars fans are, and will try to get as much distance from anything they don't create ASAP. That means leaving the entire trilogy of trilogies alone, and doing other things. Like a Western style bounty hunter show and random off-shoots with favorite characters that don't touch any plot points of the 9 movies and eventually into different eras entirely. That gets them away from people like you who think they could have made a better movie, if only they had $5B to do so.

    Just to step in here - the funds for the movie(s) weren't the issue, the issue was the nonsense plots and bad character development.

    Completely agree
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    RTS wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive

    Drove me insane when that was said.

    Almost as much as ships going into/out of hyperspace in the gravity well of a planet. (I'm old, sue me)

    They did at least say the systems were close and didn't say how long it took.

    Better than the less than a day arbitry times put on the sequels even though they travel from one side of the galaxy and back several times.
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    LordDirt wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.

    Imho, the skywalker family has screwed up the galaxy enough.

    You mean Palpatine family? It shouldnt be called the Skywalker saga when they were just the puppets to the Palpatine family.

    Without the Skywalker family Palpatine would still be a senator from Naboo. I have spoken.

    No, he'd still be supreme chancellor. Anakin had nothing to do with the politics of ep 1. And likely his clone wars plan would have still worked out pretty well. So probably he would still be emperor.
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    StarSon wrote: »
    RTS wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.
    StarSon wrote: »
    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.

    Ok. Feel free to speculate on how you think it will tie into them then.

    Why do they have to tie into them at all? Just because they don't retcon them, they also have to someone tie in to their story, which happens 15-20 years after where we are in the Mandalorian right now?

    They don't have to tie directly in. But if they don't retcon the sequels, at some point shows like the mandolorian would have to make sense in the events that happen in them. Or are you suggesting they just stop after the mandolorian and leave the period alone?

    No, I'm just saying it's a large Galaxy. We see some things that we can relate to (Rebel soldiers, Empire officers, etc) but so far nothing actually ties directly in to any of the events in any of the movies or TV shows.

    I expect we'll see an Ahsoka series where she's trying to find Ezra, and maybe what happens when/if she does, but I doubt very much anything in the Mandalorian will actually have anything to do with any of the movies outside of more random Easter Eggs.

    The shows have a history of filling in the gaps a bit. Clonewars between episodes 2 and 3. Rebels for the events prior to episode 4.

    John Favero has already stated that in future seasons the scope of the show is expected to grow, following multiple storylines game of thrones style.

    It could just leave the sequels completely alone but that is unlikely if they are trying to only have one timeline as you say and the sequels were a big success as you say. Why wouldn't they try to tie into them? Obviously, I know of several reasons why not but you claim they aren't right. So please explain your reasoning.

    The other shows were very explicitly supposed to tie in. This one, not so much. Not to say it can't, just I don't think it will.

    I suspect they've realized how terrible Star Wars fans are, and will try to get as much distance from anything they don't create ASAP. That means leaving the entire trilogy of trilogies alone, and doing other things. Like a Western style bounty hunter show and random off-shoots with favorite characters that don't touch any plot points of the 9 movies and eventually into different eras entirely. That gets them away from people like you who think they could have made a better movie, if only they had $5B to do so.

    Just to step in here - the funds for the movie(s) weren't the issue, the issue was the nonsense plots and bad character development.

    Then I suggest you find $5B, buy the franchise, and make the movies you want to make. If the funds are the issue, should be easy enough.

    Yeah your buy star wars arguement is just dumb. So just stop.

    His argument was that Disney spent plenty of money on making the movies but that doesn't make up for a bad story.

    If you want to argue the sequels are good (preferably start a new thread for that since that isn't the topic), good luck but telling people to buy star wars is just getting old.
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    Btw the boba scenes in the latest episode were sic.
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    LordDirt wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.

    Imho, the skywalker family has screwed up the galaxy enough.

    You mean Palpatine family? It shouldnt be called the Skywalker saga when they were just the puppets to the Palpatine family.

    Without the Skywalker family Palpatine would still be a senator from Naboo. I have spoken.

    No, he'd still be supreme chancellor. Anakin had nothing to do with the politics of ep 1. And likely his clone wars plan would have still worked out pretty well. So probably he would still be emperor.

    This. Don’t forget palpatine has been plaguesis apprentice for years by the time of episode 1. Palpatine And plaguesis plan was always for galactic domination but palpatine did the sith thing and betrayed plaguesis once he gained power. He didn’t want to share with plaguesis
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    LordDirt wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.

    Imho, the skywalker family has screwed up the galaxy enough.

    You mean Palpatine family? It shouldnt be called the Skywalker saga when they were just the puppets to the Palpatine family.

    Without the Skywalker family Palpatine would still be a senator from Naboo. I have spoken.

    No, he'd still be supreme chancellor. Anakin had nothing to do with the politics of ep 1. And likely his clone wars plan would have still worked out pretty well. So probably he would still be emperor.

    I was mostly joking, but without Anakin, Mace would’ve kill Palpatine in the chancellor’s office.
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    LordDirt wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.

    Imho, the skywalker family has screwed up the galaxy enough.

    You mean Palpatine family? It shouldnt be called the Skywalker saga when they were just the puppets to the Palpatine family.

    Without the Skywalker family Palpatine would still be a senator from Naboo. I have spoken.

    No, he'd still be supreme chancellor. Anakin had nothing to do with the politics of ep 1. And likely his clone wars plan would have still worked out pretty well. So probably he would still be emperor.

    I was mostly joking, but without Anakin, Mace would’ve kill Palpatine in the chancellor’s office.

    Nope, only reason Mace came was because Palp told him who he was. Skywalkers didnt matter.
    We needed Cobb Vanth shards for Krayt Dragon raid, Endor Gear Luke shards for Speeder Bike raid and Anakin Skywalker shards for Battle for Naboo raid?
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    LordDirt wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.

    Imho, the skywalker family has screwed up the galaxy enough.

    You mean Palpatine family? It shouldnt be called the Skywalker saga when they were just the puppets to the Palpatine family.

    Without the Skywalker family Palpatine would still be a senator from Naboo. I have spoken.

    How is that?
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    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.

    Imho, the skywalker family has screwed up the galaxy enough.

    You mean Palpatine family? It shouldnt be called the Skywalker saga when they were just the puppets to the Palpatine family.

    Without the Skywalker family Palpatine would still be a senator from Naboo. I have spoken.

    No, he'd still be supreme chancellor. Anakin had nothing to do with the politics of ep 1. And likely his clone wars plan would have still worked out pretty well. So probably he would still be emperor.

    I was mostly joking, but without Anakin, Mace would’ve kill Palpatine in the chancellor’s office.

    Nope, only reason Mace came was because Palp told him who he was. Skywalkers didnt matter.

    Except Anakin told Mace that Palpatine was a sith lord and that's why 4 Jedi masters went to arrest him.
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    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.
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    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.

    Ok. Feel free to speculate on how you think it will tie into them then.

    Why do they have to tie into them at all? Just because they don't retcon them, they also have to someone tie in to their story, which happens 15-20 years after where we are in the Mandalorian right now?

    They don't have to tie directly in. But if they don't retcon the sequels, at some point shows like the mandolorian would have to make sense in the events that happen in them. Or are you suggesting they just stop after the mandolorian and leave the period alone?

    No, I'm just saying it's a large Galaxy. We see some things that we can relate to (Rebel soldiers, Empire officers, etc) but so far nothing actually ties directly in to any of the events in any of the movies or TV shows.

    I expect we'll see an Ahsoka series where she's trying to find Ezra, and maybe what happens when/if she does, but I doubt very much anything in the Mandalorian will actually have anything to do with any of the movies outside of more random Easter Eggs.

    The shows have a history of filling in the gaps a bit. Clonewars between episodes 2 and 3. Rebels for the events prior to episode 4.

    John Favero has already stated that in future seasons the scope of the show is expected to grow, following multiple storylines game of thrones style.

    It could just leave the sequels completely alone but that is unlikely if they are trying to only have one timeline as you say and the sequels were a big success as you say. Why wouldn't they try to tie into them? Obviously, I know of several reasons why not but you claim they aren't right. So please explain your reasoning.

    The other shows were very explicitly supposed to tie in. This one, not so much. Not to say it can't, just I don't think it will.

    I suspect they've realized how terrible Star Wars fans are, and will try to get as much distance from anything they don't create ASAP. That means leaving the entire trilogy of trilogies alone, and doing other things. Like a Western style bounty hunter show and random off-shoots with favorite characters that don't touch any plot points of the 9 movies and eventually into different eras entirely. That gets them away from people like you who think they could have made a better movie, if only they had $5B to do so.

    Just to step in here - the funds for the movie(s) weren't the issue, the issue was the nonsense plots and bad character development.

    Then I suggest you find $5B, buy the franchise, and make the movies you want to make. If the funds are the issue, should be easy enough.

    Yeah your buy star wars arguement is just dumb. So just stop.

    His argument was that Disney spent plenty of money on making the movies but that doesn't make up for a bad story.

    If you want to argue the sequels are good (preferably start a new thread for that since that isn't the topic), good luck but telling people to buy star wars is just getting old.

    Oh, now we have to call names, eh? Way to really drive your point home.

    I take no issue with people who don't like the sequels. Movies are subjective, and not everyone is going to like everything. That's fine. What I take issue with is people like you who claim to like Star Wars but then look for every little way to make it so that the movies didn't happen.

    So, if you think you could have done so much better, then just buy the rights and make your own movie. Otherwise, just move on.
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    Ok this is going eay off topic, let's try to keep this somewhat on topic. Thanks
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    LordDirt wrote: »
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    StarSon wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
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    I dont see any need for them to directly link to the last 3 movies.

    They have done a great job (as most SW content does) with keeping the actual timeline vague. Sure they reference big events, but other than characters being older, you never really know how much time passes.

    They are also very much "out there" and other than some large moments like the last call to action by Lando, they could carry on with no mind played to what's going on in those movies.

    They are basically calling in cameo appearances for things they want, to tie in to the universe, but they are creating their own story.

    As for the Ashoka and Grogu jedi thing, she gave up the jedi order, there is no reason Grogu cant meet with Luke (or someone else) and train for a bit, but never become a full jedi, and leave.

    Yes there could be connections made, but I dont think they are trying to nor do they need to, directly tie in. It's the outer rim, the wild west. No need to force it to fit anything.

    It's not staying in the outer rim. Tython is in the deep core. Mado will likely have to travel through the more populous areas of the galaxy to get there.

    Yep and I'm sure we will get a few nods here and there, but I'm sure it will be more "passing through" and maybe new places than any real dive into places/events from any of the movies.

    We'll see of course. But from the way season 2 is going so far, I could definitely see a run in with the new republic as a possibility.

    I agree, but I think it will be some new or previously ancillary characters. I'm not saying they will avoid the movie material completely, but I feel like they will try to make it "thier own" and not force themselves into situations like what is being discussed in this thread.

    They seem to be smart about it so far, and I feel like that is very intentional.

    I could see Luke training grogu. I'm not sure if that is forcing it into a situation as you say.

    And I think the story of the show is important and shouldn't be sacrificed for something like an Easter egg or a cameo. If they want to bring a character in that is from another movie or show, it should be for a good reason. I think they have done reasonably well with this so far. Though the boba cameo doesn't currently seem to have a purpose but hopefully there was a reason other than fan service that becomes clear later.

    But focusing on just the smaller story at the expense of the universe and how it works can also be a mistake. An example from the sequels is the holdo maneuver. It worked ok for the story if TLJ was a stand alone movie but in the overall star wars universe broke the rules about how hyperspace works to the point where they had to retcon it in the next movie. I'm hoping they are past mistakes like that as well.

    I agree we could see Luke train Grogu, but I dont see him developing into a main character, and since we see Grogu as a main character, Luke will likely be someone that shows up here and there to give a twist or an out when needed.

    No I don't see that as forced, what I mean by forced is literally using this show to connect dots from EP6 -> EP7, just to fill in details or background that are not really needed at this point.

    Pulling in cameos from any and all material is great, it helps tie this to the universe we love, but this show needs to be it's own thing, much like it has been.

    I try not to bring real science into this, I mean we had an episode where he went from one system to another without hyperdrive.......I'm sure there are a few examples (maybe not) where this is less than a 1-2 year venture....but that's not realistic. There are many other things that should just not be discussed with regards to science also, it's a story, let's let it be.

    Whether Luke would become a main character or get a spinoff show would depend on a few things

    1. How well received by the fans the option they choose to use is (recasting, giving deaging of mark hamil, ect..)

    2. Whether there's a good story to tell that doesn't feel forced.

    I agree that in the mandolorian, Luke may not be a main character right away but there is potential if it is done right.

    I don’t know if it can be done right. I would prefer to leave him out of it entirely.

    It can certainly be done “right” but no one will like it so they’ll leave it alone. They’ve also said they’re done with Skywalkers, so I don’t ever expect anything more for any of them.

    Imho, the skywalker family has screwed up the galaxy enough.

    You mean Palpatine family? It shouldnt be called the Skywalker saga when they were just the puppets to the Palpatine family.

    Without the Skywalker family Palpatine would still be a senator from Naboo. I have spoken.

    No, he'd still be supreme chancellor. Anakin had nothing to do with the politics of ep 1. And likely his clone wars plan would have still worked out pretty well. So probably he would still be emperor.

    I was mostly joking, but without Anakin, Mace would’ve kill Palpatine in the chancellor’s office.

    Nope, only reason Mace came was because Palp told him who he was. Skywalkers didnt matter.

    Except Anakin told Mace that Palpatine was a sith lord and that's why 4 Jedi masters went to arrest him.

    But how did that actually change anything. Palpatine had an apprentice in Count Dooku. He could have just used him to finish the Jedi off. Palpatine used everyone against each other in the galaxy. He could have picked anyone to be his apprentice, after all he did burn through quite a few.
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    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    RTS wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.
    StarSon wrote: »
    Well, back to the point then: no, Mando, which takes place years before the sequels, will not retcon them.

    Ok. Feel free to speculate on how you think it will tie into them then.

    Why do they have to tie into them at all? Just because they don't retcon them, they also have to someone tie in to their story, which happens 15-20 years after where we are in the Mandalorian right now?

    They don't have to tie directly in. But if they don't retcon the sequels, at some point shows like the mandolorian would have to make sense in the events that happen in them. Or are you suggesting they just stop after the mandolorian and leave the period alone?

    No, I'm just saying it's a large Galaxy. We see some things that we can relate to (Rebel soldiers, Empire officers, etc) but so far nothing actually ties directly in to any of the events in any of the movies or TV shows.

    I expect we'll see an Ahsoka series where she's trying to find Ezra, and maybe what happens when/if she does, but I doubt very much anything in the Mandalorian will actually have anything to do with any of the movies outside of more random Easter Eggs.

    The shows have a history of filling in the gaps a bit. Clonewars between episodes 2 and 3. Rebels for the events prior to episode 4.

    John Favero has already stated that in future seasons the scope of the show is expected to grow, following multiple storylines game of thrones style.

    It could just leave the sequels completely alone but that is unlikely if they are trying to only have one timeline as you say and the sequels were a big success as you say. Why wouldn't they try to tie into them? Obviously, I know of several reasons why not but you claim they aren't right. So please explain your reasoning.

    The other shows were very explicitly supposed to tie in. This one, not so much. Not to say it can't, just I don't think it will.

    I suspect they've realized how terrible Star Wars fans are, and will try to get as much distance from anything they don't create ASAP. That means leaving the entire trilogy of trilogies alone, and doing other things. Like a Western style bounty hunter show and random off-shoots with favorite characters that don't touch any plot points of the 9 movies and eventually into different eras entirely. That gets them away from people like you who think they could have made a better movie, if only they had $5B to do so.

    Just to step in here - the funds for the movie(s) weren't the issue, the issue was the nonsense plots and bad character development.

    Then I suggest you find $5B, buy the franchise, and make the movies you want to make. If the funds are the issue, should be easy enough.

    Yeah your buy star wars arguement is just dumb. So just stop.

    His argument was that Disney spent plenty of money on making the movies but that doesn't make up for a bad story.

    If you want to argue the sequels are good (preferably start a new thread for that since that isn't the topic), good luck but telling people to buy star wars is just getting old.

    Oh, now we have to call names, eh? Way to really drive your point home.

    I take no issue with people who don't like the sequels. Movies are subjective, and not everyone is going to like everything. That's fine. What I take issue with is people like you who claim to like Star Wars but then look for every little way to make it so that the movies didn't happen.

    So, if you think you could have done so much better, then just buy the rights and make your own movie. Otherwise, just move on.

    I said your argument was dumb. Not you. So not name calling. And you can still be a fan of something and be critical of it when it is done wrong.
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    But back to on topic. We did see grogu reach out to a jedi in the last episode. Who is it going to be (assuming he gets rescued and all that). I think Luke is a strong possibility. If it's Luke, that would likely lead to at least a partial retcon of the sequels.

    It could also be Ezra or someone completely new. Obviously speculation. But I would love to see Luke's Yavin academy come to live action.
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    But back to on topic. We did see grogu reach out to a jedi in the last episode. Who is it going to be (assuming he gets rescued and all that). I think Luke is a strong possibility. If it's Luke, that would likely lead to at least a partial retcon of the sequels.

    It could also be Ezra or someone completely new. Obviously speculation. But I would love to see Luke's Yavin academy come to live action.

    It's unclear if anyone was reached. He seemed to stop when he ran out of energy. I doubt it will be Luke because Disney wants to distance itself from all things Skywalker, and though Ezra might have sensed him, I doubt he'll actually come since he's lost with the space whales and Thrawn.

    I think we'll probably see someone new, or maybe they'll dredge up someone from TCW that managed to escape Order 66.
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    But back to on topic. We did see grogu reach out to a jedi in the last episode. Who is it going to be (assuming he gets rescued and all that). I think Luke is a strong possibility. If it's Luke, that would likely lead to at least a partial retcon of the sequels.

    It could also be Ezra or someone completely new. Obviously speculation. But I would love to see Luke's Yavin academy come to live action.

    It's unclear if anyone was reached. He seemed to stop when he ran out of energy. I doubt it will be Luke because Disney wants to distance itself from all things Skywalker, and though Ezra might have sensed him, I doubt he'll actually come since he's lost with the space whales and Thrawn.

    I think we'll probably see someone new, or maybe they'll dredge up someone from TCW that managed to escape Order 66.

    I didn't take it as he ran out of energy. More like he was just done. But I can see how it could be interpreted that way.

    To me it seems like the dynamic with ashoka refusing to train him because of attachments may be setting up a further exploration of that aspect. The old ways vs a new way. Luke would be the only currently alive jedi that has seen the power of attachments also redeeming him. So that story beat could be pointing to Luke training him.

    I don't think I've seen anything that has really hinted at a different jedi but I could be missing something.
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    But back to on topic. We did see grogu reach out to a jedi in the last episode. Who is it going to be (assuming he gets rescued and all that). I think Luke is a strong possibility. If it's Luke, that would likely lead to at least a partial retcon of the sequels.

    It could also be Ezra or someone completely new. Obviously speculation. But I would love to see Luke's Yavin academy come to live action.

    It's unclear if anyone was reached. He seemed to stop when he ran out of energy. I doubt it will be Luke because Disney wants to distance itself from all things Skywalker, and though Ezra might have sensed him, I doubt he'll actually come since he's lost with the space whales and Thrawn.

    I think we'll probably see someone new, or maybe they'll dredge up someone from TCW that managed to escape Order 66.

    I didn't take it as he ran out of energy. More like he was just done. But I can see how it could be interpreted that way.

    To me it seems like the dynamic with ashoka refusing to train him because of attachments may be setting up a further exploration of that aspect. The old ways vs a new way. Luke would be the only currently alive jedi that has seen the power of attachments also redeeming him. So that story beat could be pointing to Luke training him.

    I don't think I've seen anything that has really hinted at a different jedi but I could be missing something.

    All the hints are to Ezra.

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    I dont think they want to distance themselves from 'Skywalker' as much as people think.

    I agree the Thrawn "reveal" could be a huge teaser to bringing in a few of those characters (I never saw rebels, so i'm not sure who is alive). But I am betting it is Luke (not Mark Hamill).

    I also dont really see him getting trained to any full extent, as part of the show. I see him being sent on quests like this as part of the journey him and Mando take, but never having him "leave the show" for any extended periods of time to train.
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    But back to on topic. We did see grogu reach out to a jedi in the last episode. Who is it going to be (assuming he gets rescued and all that). I think Luke is a strong possibility. If it's Luke, that would likely lead to at least a partial retcon of the sequels.

    It could also be Ezra or someone completely new. Obviously speculation. But I would love to see Luke's Yavin academy come to live action.

    It's unclear if anyone was reached. He seemed to stop when he ran out of energy. I doubt it will be Luke because Disney wants to distance itself from all things Skywalker, and though Ezra might have sensed him, I doubt he'll actually come since he's lost with the space whales and Thrawn.

    I think we'll probably see someone new, or maybe they'll dredge up someone from TCW that managed to escape Order 66.

    I didn't take it as he ran out of energy. More like he was just done. But I can see how it could be interpreted that way.

    To me it seems like the dynamic with ashoka refusing to train him because of attachments may be setting up a further exploration of that aspect. The old ways vs a new way. Luke would be the only currently alive jedi that has seen the power of attachments also redeeming him. So that story beat could be pointing to Luke training him.

    I don't think I've seen anything that has really hinted at a different jedi but I could be missing something.

    All the hints are to Ezra.

    What hints to Ezra specifically?
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    LordDirt wrote: »
    StarSon wrote: »
    But back to on topic. We did see grogu reach out to a jedi in the last episode. Who is it going to be (assuming he gets rescued and all that). I think Luke is a strong possibility. If it's Luke, that would likely lead to at least a partial retcon of the sequels.

    It could also be Ezra or someone completely new. Obviously speculation. But I would love to see Luke's Yavin academy come to live action.

    It's unclear if anyone was reached. He seemed to stop when he ran out of energy. I doubt it will be Luke because Disney wants to distance itself from all things Skywalker, and though Ezra might have sensed him, I doubt he'll actually come since he's lost with the space whales and Thrawn.

    I think we'll probably see someone new, or maybe they'll dredge up someone from TCW that managed to escape Order 66.

    I didn't take it as he ran out of energy. More like he was just done. But I can see how it could be interpreted that way.

    To me it seems like the dynamic with ashoka refusing to train him because of attachments may be setting up a further exploration of that aspect. The old ways vs a new way. Luke would be the only currently alive jedi that has seen the power of attachments also redeeming him. So that story beat could be pointing to Luke training him.

    I don't think I've seen anything that has really hinted at a different jedi but I could be missing something.

    All the hints are to Ezra.

    What hints to Ezra specifically?

    At a bare minimum, Ahsoka looking for Thrawn is a hint to Ezra. Not sure I've caught anything else. But Ezra is the only other Jedi we are aware of being alive at the time.
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