Mandalorian S2:E8 Chat (SPOILERS)

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  • RTS wrote: »
    RTS wrote: »
    RTS wrote: »
    Yoda_66 wrote: »
    I’m confused what is the book of boba, is it a new show, if it is, why didn’t they announce it in investor day, maybe they wanted to surprise people in the finale. If not, is it an actual book? What is this thing?

    A quick google search shows that The Book of Boba Fett is a series starting next year December.

    No, people are speculating - there's no official word yet.

    True, I don’t think I’ve seen something official, but it does seem like a Disney move though. Boba Fett is popular and up until The Mandalorian, I would’ve said the guy deserves his own show or movie because I wanted to see him actually do something besides fall into the sarlaac pit.

    I agree, and I thought it was a new series too until someone pointed out that The Mandalorian season 3 HAS been confirmed for December 2021, and it would be *odd* for Disney to launch 2 major seasons of a "same" show in the same month.

    So I'm trying to pull in my optimism and pepper in a dose of realism that it's likely the show is switching the focus (for now)

    Maybe it’s time for Din to grow as a character. We’ve seen him break the creed several times now, and that’s just about his helmet. I was hoping Boba would’ve been a bigger part of season 2, but season 3 would be cool too. Now what does Din do now that he doesn’t have to babysit?

    Din may be done - they may shift to the show being about Boba (they would both fit the title of the show after all) but, Din also has the stuff that is going on with Bo-Katan, so I think there's several ways this could go (both creatively, and because of practicality with COVID issues)

    Either way I'm freaking stoked for next December, and tonight once the kids are asleep I'm throwing the JKL scene on the tv and watching again with the lights off.

    They’re going to have to explain why Bo Katan can take the dark saber from Sabine but not from Din to me. Plus I’ve grown fond of Din, would hate to see his show get high-jacked.
  • Din maybe done..for now. But he does have the Darksaber (technically making him ruler of Mandalore), an empire ship, a crew of influential Mando’s, and a new quest to retake Mandalore. His story is not over even though it seems his time with Grogu is for now. It really bothered me that he didn’t even ask Luke where he was taking him. Lol. “Here take my kid and do what you want with him” seems a bit out of character.” Is he not ever going to visit him? Check up on him? Or are they just doing the typical TV thing where it’s assumed that everyone knows where everyone else is in the Galaxy at any given time?
  • Nihion
    3091 posts Member
    To me, this was a sign that Disney no longer intends to make good Star Wars; only crowd pleasing Star Wars.

    It’s an unpopular opinion, I know, but I was disappointed with season 1 of the Mandalorian. It was a show that sacrificed plot for action, and character development was limited even in the long drawn out sequences of the show. But at least it was a show about the Mandalorian.

    This new season was worse. Favreau and Filoni seemed to drop any goal they had of making something powerful: Most of the show is plot or action, and even the plot is just explained away. I loved seeing Boba, and Ashoka, and Hamill, but this show needs to become its own thing. This was their first chance to show that Star Wars can be amazing without the Skywalker Saga, and it failed with this last episode. My favorite episode was the only episode not written my Favreau and Filoni because it had actual character development, and rich dialogue.

    I know that everyone here is about to tell me how wrong I am, but you just can’t deny that this show is beginning to show cracks. It hurt me to watch this finale.

    In all fairness, the line between good and crowd pleasing has become blurred lately. I’m no expert on film, but maybe a crowd pleasing approach is considered good TV now, and maybe that’s not a bad thing. But I still can’t shake that feeling that this show is being run by a section of people full of toxicity and nostalgia that aren’t willing to let their childhood or Legends go. I understand that position. But I don’t think that’s how we should run Star Wars.
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  • Nihion wrote: »
    To me, this was a sign that Disney no longer intends to make good Star Wars; only crowd pleasing Star Wars.

    It’s an unpopular opinion, I know, but I was disappointed with season 1 of the Mandalorian. It was a show that sacrificed plot for action, and character development was limited even in the long drawn out sequences of the show. But at least it was a show about the Mandalorian.

    This new season was worse. Favreau and Filoni seemed to drop any goal they had of making something powerful: Most of the show is plot or action, and even the plot is just explained away. I loved seeing Boba, and Ashoka, and Hamill, but this show needs to become its own thing. This was their first chance to show that Star Wars can be amazing without the Skywalker Saga, and it failed with this last episode. My favorite episode was the only episode not written my Favreau and Filoni because it had actual character development, and rich dialogue.

    I know that everyone here is about to tell me how wrong I am, but you just can’t deny that this show is beginning to show cracks. It hurt me to watch this finale.

    In all fairness, the line between good and crowd pleasing has become blurred lately. I’m no expert on film, but maybe a crowd pleasing approach is considered good TV now, and maybe that’s not a bad thing. But I still can’t shake that feeling that this show is being run by a section of people full of toxicity and nostalgia that aren’t willing to let their childhood or Legends go. I understand that position. But I don’t think that’s how we should run Star Wars.

    To be fair, a show that doesn’t please the target audience usually gets canceled. Though I agree, Luke was literally the last Jedi I wanted to see, but he was the obvious one. Was what I would call a cliche moment.
  • RTS
    178 posts Member
    BTW - did nobody but me catch the 'Macklunkey' reference?
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  • Sebek
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    RTS wrote: »
    BTW - did nobody but me catch the 'Macklunkey' reference?

    I Heard It, Well, it's like Yub-Yub lol
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  • RTS
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    Sebek wrote: »
    RTS wrote: »
    BTW - did nobody but me catch the 'Macklunkey' reference?

    I Heard It, Well, it's like Yub-Yub lol

    For some reason I've been listening for it all season, and then at the buzzer there it was.
  • Though I’m confused as to why Bo Katan could accept the dark saber from Sabine but not from Mando.

    That was my thought at first but there are a few possible explanations. Sabine found the Darksaber in Maul's lair. Sabine's mom, Ursa Wren, told her that no one would follow her lead due to the Darksaber because she did not win it in combat from Maul. Later, Sabine's mom betrayed her and gave the Darksaber to Gar Saxon. Neither Sabine or Saxon had come into possession of the Darksaber by winning it in combat at that point. Then, Sabine defeated Gar Saxon in combat. So it's questionable whether Sabine was a rightful owner of the Darksaber as Saxon had no legitimate claim to it when they fought. Bo-Katan only accepts the Darksaber from Sabine (after initially declining it) when the other clans proclaim support for her as the new leader of Mandalore.

    There could have been issues that followed from Bo-Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber previously. Perhaps her claim to the Darksaber was ultimately rejected by the people of Mandalore because she didn't win it in combat or because Maul was never defeated for it and so she knows that won't work this time. When she accepted it the first time, she already had the backing of the people to be the new ruler so it's also possible that she knows she needs to win it this time to get people to follow her lead, unlike last time. Since Dave Filoni is one of the producers of this show and he was in charge of Rebels and he knows this universe like the back of his hand, I'm sure this is a question that he thought hard about before it went down this way in the episode.
  • Though I’m confused as to why Bo Katan could accept the dark saber from Sabine but not from Mando.

    That was my thought at first but there are a few possible explanations. Sabine found the Darksaber in Maul's lair. Sabine's mom, Ursa Wren, told her that no one would follow her lead due to the Darksaber because she did not win it in combat from Maul. Later, Sabine's mom betrayed her and gave the Darksaber to Gar Saxon. Neither Sabine or Saxon had come into possession of the Darksaber by winning it in combat at that point. Then, Sabine defeated Gar Saxon in combat. So it's questionable whether Sabine was a rightful owner of the Darksaber as Saxon had no legitimate claim to it when they fought. Bo-Katan only accepts the Darksaber from Sabine (after initially declining it) when the other clans proclaim support for her as the new leader of Mandalore.

    There could have been issues that followed from Bo-Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber previously. Perhaps her claim to the Darksaber was ultimately rejected by the people of Mandalore because she didn't win it in combat or because Maul was never defeated for it and so she knows that won't work this time. When she accepted it the first time, she already had the backing of the people to be the new ruler so it's also possible that she knows she needs to win it this time to get people to follow her lead, unlike last time. Since Dave Filoni is one of the producers of this show and he was in charge of Rebels and he knows this universe like the back of his hand, I'm sure this is a question that he thought hard about before it went down this way in the episode.

    There definitely needs to be an explanation. At this point
    Maul was defeated by Obi Wan, Obi Wan by Vader and Vader by Luke? So Luke would be the rightful ruler of Mandalor? Hopefully in season 3

    Plus I thought Bo Katan was killed by Gideon at the end, until I saw her standing after Luke left.
  • Though I’m confused as to why Bo Katan could accept the dark saber from Sabine but not from Mando.

    That was my thought at first but there are a few possible explanations. Sabine found the Darksaber in Maul's lair. Sabine's mom, Ursa Wren, told her that no one would follow her lead due to the Darksaber because she did not win it in combat from Maul. Later, Sabine's mom betrayed her and gave the Darksaber to Gar Saxon. Neither Sabine or Saxon had come into possession of the Darksaber by winning it in combat at that point. Then, Sabine defeated Gar Saxon in combat. So it's questionable whether Sabine was a rightful owner of the Darksaber as Saxon had no legitimate claim to it when they fought. Bo-Katan only accepts the Darksaber from Sabine (after initially declining it) when the other clans proclaim support for her as the new leader of Mandalore.

    There could have been issues that followed from Bo-Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber previously. Perhaps her claim to the Darksaber was ultimately rejected by the people of Mandalore because she didn't win it in combat or because Maul was never defeated for it and so she knows that won't work this time. When she accepted it the first time, she already had the backing of the people to be the new ruler so it's also possible that she knows she needs to win it this time to get people to follow her lead, unlike last time. Since Dave Filoni is one of the producers of this show and he was in charge of Rebels and he knows this universe like the back of his hand, I'm sure this is a question that he thought hard about before it went down this way in the episode.

    There definitely needs to be an explanation. At this point
    Maul was defeated by Obi Wan, Obi Wan by Vader and Vader by Luke? So Luke would be the rightful ruler of Mandalor? Hopefully in season 3

    Plus I thought Bo Katan was killed by Gideon at the end, until I saw her standing after Luke left.

    Lol, the spoiler is hilarious but True! Could be Mando’s ticket back to Grogu!!
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  • Though I’m confused as to why Bo Katan could accept the dark saber from Sabine but not from Mando.

    That was my thought at first but there are a few possible explanations. Sabine found the Darksaber in Maul's lair. Sabine's mom, Ursa Wren, told her that no one would follow her lead due to the Darksaber because she did not win it in combat from Maul. Later, Sabine's mom betrayed her and gave the Darksaber to Gar Saxon. Neither Sabine or Saxon had come into possession of the Darksaber by winning it in combat at that point. Then, Sabine defeated Gar Saxon in combat. So it's questionable whether Sabine was a rightful owner of the Darksaber as Saxon had no legitimate claim to it when they fought. Bo-Katan only accepts the Darksaber from Sabine (after initially declining it) when the other clans proclaim support for her as the new leader of Mandalore.

    There could have been issues that followed from Bo-Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber previously. Perhaps her claim to the Darksaber was ultimately rejected by the people of Mandalore because she didn't win it in combat or because Maul was never defeated for it and so she knows that won't work this time. When she accepted it the first time, she already had the backing of the people to be the new ruler so it's also possible that she knows she needs to win it this time to get people to follow her lead, unlike last time. Since Dave Filoni is one of the producers of this show and he was in charge of Rebels and he knows this universe like the back of his hand, I'm sure this is a question that he thought hard about before it went down this way in the episode.

    There definitely needs to be an explanation. At this point
    Maul was defeated by Obi Wan, Obi Wan by Vader and Vader by Luke? So Luke would be the rightful ruler of Mandalor? Hopefully in season 3

    Plus I thought Bo Katan was killed by Gideon at the end, until I saw her standing after Luke left.

    Lol, the spoiler is hilarious but True! Could be Mando’s ticket back to Grogu!!

    Mando shows up at his door. “Listen, I’m taking the child, you can fight Bo Katan for the dark saber. Bye Felicia!” Then he leaves to go find a ship.
  • Though I’m confused as to why Bo Katan could accept the dark saber from Sabine but not from Mando.

    That was my thought at first but there are a few possible explanations. Sabine found the Darksaber in Maul's lair. Sabine's mom, Ursa Wren, told her that no one would follow her lead due to the Darksaber because she did not win it in combat from Maul. Later, Sabine's mom betrayed her and gave the Darksaber to Gar Saxon. Neither Sabine or Saxon had come into possession of the Darksaber by winning it in combat at that point. Then, Sabine defeated Gar Saxon in combat. So it's questionable whether Sabine was a rightful owner of the Darksaber as Saxon had no legitimate claim to it when they fought. Bo-Katan only accepts the Darksaber from Sabine (after initially declining it) when the other clans proclaim support for her as the new leader of Mandalore.

    There could have been issues that followed from Bo-Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber previously. Perhaps her claim to the Darksaber was ultimately rejected by the people of Mandalore because she didn't win it in combat or because Maul was never defeated for it and so she knows that won't work this time. When she accepted it the first time, she already had the backing of the people to be the new ruler so it's also possible that she knows she needs to win it this time to get people to follow her lead, unlike last time. Since Dave Filoni is one of the producers of this show and he was in charge of Rebels and he knows this universe like the back of his hand, I'm sure this is a question that he thought hard about before it went down this way in the episode.

    There definitely needs to be an explanation. At this point
    Maul was defeated by Obi Wan, Obi Wan by Vader and Vader by Luke? So Luke would be the rightful ruler of Mandalor? Hopefully in season 3

    Plus I thought Bo Katan was killed by Gideon at the end, until I saw her standing after Luke left.

    Lol, the spoiler is hilarious but True! Could be Mando’s ticket back to Grogu!!

    Mando shows up at his door. “Listen, I’m taking the child, you can fight Bo Katan for the dark saber. Bye Felicia!” Then he leaves to go find a ship.

    LOL
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  • Was a bit disappointed that it was Luke, but at the same time liked seeing him destroy the dark troopers. Was ok for an episode, though I was expecting season 3 to be all about rescuing the child. Gideon played the Mandalorians. Though I’m confused as to why Bo Katan could accept the dark saber from Sabine but not from Mando.

    Because ... Moff Gideon was around & she didn’t want to embarrass herself
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  • Wow. Just wow. Luke done right
  • Ltswb1 wrote: »
    The show exists in the SW universe. To have tie ins to the rest of the universe is not a bad thing, expected, and pretty normal. As long as the tie ins don’t take over the show, then I don’t have an issue with them. There has to be a good balance, and I think they’ve done that. If you removed all tie ins then you’d have nothing left.

    I’m just here to drop my opinion, but I will respond to this: You just explained why the show did tie-ins wrong: If you remove these tie ins, there is nothing left. The show is a skeleton filled with crowd pleasing moments. And personally, I think that cameos need to be important to the show; Boba is ONLY in this show to do cool things. They could have used him to influence Mando about Mandalorians and the complications of bounty hunting, but they did not.

    On the contrary, I enjoyed the show, and there is an argument to be made about whether this show is actually better because of tie-ins. However, I prefer to see it as losing the general audience.
  • Nihion wrote: »
    To me, this was a sign that Disney no longer intends to make good Star Wars; only crowd pleasing Star Wars.

    It’s an unpopular opinion, I know, but I was disappointed with season 1 of the Mandalorian. It was a show that sacrificed plot for action, and character development was limited even in the long drawn out sequences of the show. But at least it was a show about the Mandalorian.

    This new season was worse. Favreau and Filoni seemed to drop any goal they had of making something powerful: Most of the show is plot or action, and even the plot is just explained away. I loved seeing Boba, and Ashoka, and Hamill, but this show needs to become its own thing. This was their first chance to show that Star Wars can be amazing without the Skywalker Saga, and it failed with this last episode. My favorite episode was the only episode not written my Favreau and Filoni because it had actual character development, and rich dialogue.

    I know that everyone here is about to tell me how wrong I am, but you just can’t deny that this show is beginning to show cracks. It hurt me to watch this finale.

    In all fairness, the line between good and crowd pleasing has become blurred lately. I’m no expert on film, but maybe a crowd pleasing approach is considered good TV now, and maybe that’s not a bad thing. But I still can’t shake that feeling that this show is being run by a section of people full of toxicity and nostalgia that aren’t willing to let their childhood or Legends go. I understand that position. But I don’t think that’s how we should run Star Wars.

    Cool go watch last jedi

  • There definitely needs to be an explanation. At this point
    Maul was defeated by Obi Wan, Obi Wan by Vader and Vader by Luke? So Luke would be the rightful ruler of Mandalor? Hopefully in season 3

    Plus I thought Bo Katan was killed by Gideon at the end, until I saw her standing after Luke left.

    While that may be true, who has it when maul is defeated? Aka does obi wan ever take possession of it?

    Vader?

    Luke?

    Who knows about those fights and wins?

    Because moff is right its the story that holds the power and if you live the lie long enough and noone knows the truth.... what is reality?
  • ShaggyB
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    edited December 2020
    Double post..... 15 minutes later
  • Just remember, if you hated the fighting in Episode 7-9 you cant like the fighting between Mando and Moff. ;)
  • Nihion
    3091 posts Member
    LordDirt wrote: »
    Just remember, if you hated the fighting in Episode 7-9 you cant like the fighting between Mando and Moff. ;)

    I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or not, I assume so, but I really liked that duel. It was fun, the beskar almost melting was epic, and the idea that Gideon had some kind of plan was nice. Not really sure why we needed that moment before the duel though where he’s like “You can have the Child.”
  • I’ve saw d it before and I’ll say it again, the absolute best part of watching these movies is that my wife has seen little to no Star Wars movies!!!

    On the big reveal.... who’s that, LOL

    Next is baby Yoda actually Yoda....

    Finally Didn’t Luke Die???

    Trying to explain all the timelines and who is who actually got complicated, I almost had to pull out pen and paper to do charts.
  • Ultra
    7064 posts Member
    Foxer2373 wrote: »
    Finally Didn’t Luke Die???

    The mandalorian takes place 8 years after ROTJ and 22 years before the sequel trilogy (TFA, TLJ, TROS)
  • Ultra wrote: »
    Foxer2373 wrote: »
    Finally Didn’t Luke Die???

    The mandalorian takes place 8 years after ROTJ and 22 years before the sequel trilogy (TFA, TLJ, TROS)

    I thought it was 5 years after ROTJ ?
  • KueChael
    860 posts Moderator
    Glad to see they let Grogu go, now the Mandalorian can take a different course after 2 seasons of protecting the child. They also put many set up / spin offs in this season, so crowd pleasing was going to happen. Mando will probably aide to rescue Mandalore. Asoka series is also coming, Cara Dune may be in a new series and The book of Boba is coming.

    There has to be a starting point for all these events. I thought adding Luke was classic not crowd pleasing. It tied the current struggle to protect Grogu up in a neat tidy bow.
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