Not liking them, or not thinking they are fun and they do not engage you, I get all of that, but I'm lost how disingenuous comes into play.
in my opinion, it is disingenuous to advertise and promote "Double Drops" when 2x0=0 is possible. In my opinion, it is a bait and switch.
"Look, Double Drops! You could get More of the things you need!" but also more of the potential Zero you could also get. .
It's a carnival con..
"Double your money with double your chances!"
*fine print: we have doubled the rate of zero..
It is disingenuous to my moral and ethic code..
I know that Casinos have the odds stacked in their favor.. When "Double Drops" are advertised and promoted, does the rate of double zeros also come up? No, cuz that would be bad for business.
Enough.. I have reasoned, explained, and offered why I think this way. Does it stop me from playing the game? No. But every time" Double Drops" is dangled out like it's a special offer, the dreaded "2x0=0" will always come back cuz it irks some of us..
Not liking them, or not thinking they are fun and they do not engage you, I get all of that, but I'm lost how disingenuous comes into play.
in my opinion, it is disingenuous to advertise and promote "Double Drops" when 2x0=0 is possible. In my opinion, it is a bait and switch.
"Look, Double Drops! You could get More of the things you need!" but also more of the potential Zero you could also get. .
It's a carnival con..
"Double your money with double your chances!"
*fine print: we have doubled the rate of zero..
It is disingenuous to my moral and ethic code..
I know that Casinos have the odds stacked in their favor.. When "Double Drops" are advertised and promoted, does the rate of double zeros also come up? No, cuz that would be bad for business.
Enough.. I have reasoned, explained, and offered why I think this way. Does it stop me from playing the game? No. But every time" Double Drops" is dangled out like it's a special offer, the dreaded "2x0=0" will always come back cuz it irks some of us..
*bows and exits stage left...
But what you are claiming is disingenuous has nothing to do with double drops, as that possibility is always there, even when the results are not doubled.(nor is what you you are saying in any way deceptive or unethical, but I am sure that doesnt matter to you).
You just seem to have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of what double drops means, as you are making a very odd connection that doesnt actually exsist. There are only 2 ways in which something having statistical chances can be "doubled", you either double the outcome (what they do here) or you can double the chances, both of which and the "original" situation all have the chance of 0. It is not misleading, unethical or any other negative connotation you wish to apply.
I'm sure that 2x0=0 will always stick out to you and anyone else who fails to have a firm grasp of the fundamentals of statistics.
and you just seem to not let this issue go after you asked for an explanation of why I felt this way, @Kyno.
I can understand that you feel since the Devs designed the game to be this way, it is what it is.
I feel differently..
Can you honestly say that if the game advertised "Douple Drops" w/a guaranteed hit on at least at least 1 (which then would be 2) attempt at shard/gear that it WOULDN'T make the game experience better?
I think the game could be better than what it currently is. You are just settling for what it is..
and you just seem to not let this issue go after you asked for an explanation of why I felt this way, @Kyno.
I can understand that you feel since the Devs designed the game to be this way, it is what it is.
I feel differently..
Can you honestly say that if the game advertised "Douple Drops" w/a guaranteed hit on at least at least 1 (which then would be 2) attempt at shard/gear that it WOULDN'T make the game experience better?
I think the game could be better than what it currently is. You are just settling for what it is..
oh well, c'est vie..
Except it has nothing to do with feelings. Just because you feel it's disingenuous doesn't mean, factually, that it is. Because it's not.
You're entitled to your own opinion - just not your own set of facts.
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In game guild: TNR Uprising I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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and you just seem to not let this issue go after you asked for an explanation of why I felt this way, @Kyno.
I can understand that you feel since the Devs designed the game to be this way, it is what it is.
I feel differently..
Can you honestly say that if the game advertised "Douple Drops" w/a guaranteed hit on at least at least 1 (which then would be 2) attempt at shard/gear that it WOULDN'T make the game experience better?
I think the game could be better than what it currently is. You are just settling for what it is..
oh well, c'est vie..
Of course the game experience would be better if double drops were coupled with a guaranteed drop rate - but that wouldn’t be double drops, would it? That would 6xDrops.
The game experience would be better if I got a full stun gun after every raid, but that obviously isn’t going to happen. Neither are 6xDrops.
And if you want a reason why they shouldn’t introduce 6xDrops, the second any in game energy results in guaranteed drops, it is effectively operating like a store at that point. That’s not the game model.
Double drops are fine, you can't tell me you get 0 all the time, it happens but not every time. I'm happy with the free stuff.
Well.. guaranteed drops would be much nicer. I just did 15 tries on Bo Katan spending some crystals and got 2 shards. With double drops. Not very impressive. We'll see tomorrow. They changed the zeta material drop from % chance to 1 every sim. Perhaps this is the way.
and you just seem to not let this issue go after you asked for an explanation of why I felt this way, @Kyno.
I can understand that you feel since the Devs designed the game to be this way, it is what it is.
I feel differently..
Can you honestly say that if the game advertised "Douple Drops" w/a guaranteed hit on at least at least 1 (which then would be 2) attempt at shard/gear that it WOULDN'T make the game experience better?
I think the game could be better than what it currently is. You are just settling for what it is..
oh well, c'est vie..
There are a lot of ways to make things different, and I'm sure everyone would love more shards or gear to drop. I'm sure that many many players, almost all dont care how they make that work.
All that said, it doesnt make anything wrong or unethical or disingenuous about having double drop.
again, you guys confuse the discussion with "facts" and asking me why I thought it was disingenuous.
I just disagree with how the game is designed and want it to be better.
Others don't..
oh well... life goes on..
And we have come full circle....
Disingenuous has a definition and you have failed to make any point that makes a connection between "double drops" and that definition.
We all agree you can dislike them, feel that they dont engage you, and other feeling you may have.
Again, wanting the game to be better and things to be different are great, and will be better recieved if done in a constructive manner, but hey, you do you.
Ok, so we can agree you have no connection between disingenuous and double drops. Thank you, and yes let's move on.
*facepalm
no. it is disingenuous to me. it is not disingenuous to you.
I won't convince you and you won't convince me..
move on..
Disingenuous has a definition, can you show how double drops fits that definition?
Quick breakdown:
2x0=0
The =0 part seems to be your issue, and that is connected to the x0 part. Both of which have to do with the normal drop rate, which is not disingenuous or nefarious or wrong in any way, it's a simple mathematical equation that follows a statistical model.
The 2x part is the double drops, and again is a simple multiplier of what comes out of the above simplification. It does exactly what it is supposed to. This is the part you are calling disingenuous, and it's very unclear what you are talking about.
Double drops are fine, you can't tell me you get 0 all the time, it happens but not every time. I'm happy with the free stuff.
Well.. guaranteed drops would be much nicer. I just did 15 tries on Bo Katan spending some crystals and got 2 shards. With double drops. Not very impressive. We'll see tomorrow. They changed the zeta material drop from % chance to 1 every sim. Perhaps this is the way.
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"I want more and if I don't get it that's disingenuous."
in my opinion, it is disingenuous to advertise and promote "Double Drops" when 2x0=0 is possible. In my opinion, it is a bait and switch.
"Look, Double Drops! You could get More of the things you need!" but also more of the potential Zero you could also get. .
It's a carnival con..
"Double your money with double your chances!"
*fine print: we have doubled the rate of zero..
It is disingenuous to my moral and ethic code..
I know that Casinos have the odds stacked in their favor.. When "Double Drops" are advertised and promoted, does the rate of double zeros also come up? No, cuz that would be bad for business.
Enough.. I have reasoned, explained, and offered why I think this way. Does it stop me from playing the game? No. But every time" Double Drops" is dangled out like it's a special offer, the dreaded "2x0=0" will always come back cuz it irks some of us..
*bows and exits stage left...
But what you are claiming is disingenuous has nothing to do with double drops, as that possibility is always there, even when the results are not doubled.(nor is what you you are saying in any way deceptive or unethical, but I am sure that doesnt matter to you).
You just seem to have a fundamental flaw in your understanding of what double drops means, as you are making a very odd connection that doesnt actually exsist. There are only 2 ways in which something having statistical chances can be "doubled", you either double the outcome (what they do here) or you can double the chances, both of which and the "original" situation all have the chance of 0. It is not misleading, unethical or any other negative connotation you wish to apply.
I'm sure that 2x0=0 will always stick out to you and anyone else who fails to have a firm grasp of the fundamentals of statistics.
I can understand that you feel since the Devs designed the game to be this way, it is what it is.
I feel differently..
Can you honestly say that if the game advertised "Douple Drops" w/a guaranteed hit on at least at least 1 (which then would be 2) attempt at shard/gear that it WOULDN'T make the game experience better?
I think the game could be better than what it currently is. You are just settling for what it is..
oh well, c'est vie..
Except it has nothing to do with feelings. Just because you feel it's disingenuous doesn't mean, factually, that it is. Because it's not.
You're entitled to your own opinion - just not your own set of facts.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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The game experience would be better if I got a full stun gun after every raid, but that obviously isn’t going to happen. Neither are 6xDrops.
And if you want a reason why they shouldn’t introduce 6xDrops, the second any in game energy results in guaranteed drops, it is effectively operating like a store at that point. That’s not the game model.
There are a lot of ways to make things different, and I'm sure everyone would love more shards or gear to drop. I'm sure that many many players, almost all dont care how they make that work.
All that said, it doesnt make anything wrong or unethical or disingenuous about having double drop.
I just disagree with how the game is designed and want it to be better.
Others don't..
oh well... life goes on..
And we have come full circle....
Disingenuous has a definition and you have failed to make any point that makes a connection between "double drops" and that definition.
We all agree you can dislike them, feel that they dont engage you, and other feeling you may have.
Again, wanting the game to be better and things to be different are great, and will be better recieved if done in a constructive manner, but hey, you do you.
excellent.. let's move on..
Ok, so we can agree you have no connection between disingenuous and double drops. Thank you, and yes let's move on.
*facepalm
no. it is disingenuous to me. it is not disingenuous to you.
I won't convince you and you won't convince me..
move on..
Disingenuous has a definition, can you show how double drops fits that definition?
Quick breakdown:
2x0=0
The =0 part seems to be your issue, and that is connected to the x0 part. Both of which have to do with the normal drop rate, which is not disingenuous or nefarious or wrong in any way, it's a simple mathematical equation that follows a statistical model.
The 2x part is the double drops, and again is a simple multiplier of what comes out of the above simplification. It does exactly what it is supposed to. This is the part you are calling disingenuous, and it's very unclear what you are talking about.
1. Double drops.
2. Disingenuous
3. Move on.
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