have you tested LV without Maul?

Kiaowew
41 posts Member
edited September 15
You guys gave LV such heavy requirements and said he would deal damage like a monster. And meanwhile Lord Vader with the ultimate can't beat 501s. His damage doesn't matter until he activates 3 ultimates, then whatever he does. But you can't get 3 ultimate, because all your allies are already dead. LV can't ignore tauts that what? His abilities don't do anything until you fire ultimate at 100%, but still when you fire the first ult you have no damage. So that's where my question comes from, have you guys in CG and @CG_Doja_Fett_MINI and @CG_SBCrumb_MINI tested it at all without Maul and does it meet your expectations? You might want to think about changes. It might be worth giving him a bonus, but when Maul is in the lineup they don't activate? Also here are your ideas on how to fix LV: 1 Have it deal good damage as per GL should. 2 Let thee ignore tauts, though, as he has ultimate turned on. 3 Let him charge ultimate when he has Ashes of the Republic. Just like Kylo. 4 Make his Dots undispellable. 5 Ultimate charges when a debuffed ally takes damage, what is that? This should be when an ally takes damage, no matter if they have a debuff or not.
It doesn't matter if with Maul he pokes JMK with CAT, because as long as there are no changes anyway, he is the worst GL. He'll do nothing solo, nothing in raids, and nothing without Maul...
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  • Is LV really that bad? I've seen some footage of him beating jmk cat without using maul
  • The community waited for so long for LV. After all these disappointments in the last months he could have been the chosen one to make all of us forget about it (at least a little bit), but now he turned out to be the biggest disappointment of them all. I don‘t want a second mandatory character to make a GL with such crazy requirements work. I mean guys, he is the chosen one. He is one of the most iconic Star Wars characters and should be one of (if not the) strongest one in the game. Him, needing Maul to be useful, makes no sense whatsoever. Vader should be the star of the squad and deal massive damage even without Maul. He should be the fun character. But right now playing him is pure torture. Who the hell at CG thought it would be a good idea to design LV in that way? It’s just ridiculous. He definitely needs massive adjustments.
  • Kiaowew
    41 posts Member
    edited September 17
    GoesDark wrote: »
    Is LV really that bad? I've seen some footage of him beating jmk cat without using maul

    He doesn't deal any damage, to deal high damage he needs to fire ultimate a few times, but by now his team is dead.
    Post edited by Kiaowew on
  • GoesDark wrote: »
    Is LV really that bad? I've seen some footage of him beating jmk cat without using maul
    Show me this footage please.
  • WookieWookie
    655 posts Member
    edited September 15
    4 R8s was not sufficient 'engagement' - CG also wants players to either refresh 2-3 times per day in conquest, relic otherwise irrelevant factions for tedious feats, and want to tear their eyes out, or pay up for the overpriced Maul packs you know are coming.

    Gotta make those Q4 profits!

    Also Ahnaldt showed Peempo's footage of a Ult-LV beating Rey, SEE, and SLKR easily. He struggled but beat JML, and could beat JMK without CAT easily, but said (didn't show) the win rate vs JMK w/ CAT was poor. This honestly makes sense as it's about how JMK was doing before CAT. CG's model seems to be shifting to 'buy two halves of a GL' for better or for worse. Please don't cry out for nerfs/buffs until we see how he rolls with Maul.
  • GoesDark
    8 posts Member
    edited September 15
    Makonce23 wrote: »
    GoesDark wrote: »
    Is LV really that bad? I've seen some footage of him beating jmk cat without using maul
    Show me this footage please.




    I'm sure more will come with time
  • JMK deserves more than 2 months at the top of the meta. Let the hipster enjoy a few more months at the top with her girlfriend, then LV+Maul will shine brighter than a death star explosion until the next meta.
  • 4Please don't cry out for nerfs/buffs until we see how he rolls with Maul.

    I think we all know, that he is going to be really strong with Maul. That’s not the point. The fact, that we need a second character to make Vader work frustrates me. He doesn‘t have the kit he deserves because they spread it into two characters. And lore-wise their connection makes no sense. As you pointed out it‘s again just about money and forcing people to play and pay for this new horrible conquest. I‘m just sick of it

    And I don’t think that the counter against JMK+CAT is very reliable from the footage.
  • artusa
    152 posts Member
    edited September 17
    I have a very decent LV. He can’t beat ****. Maybe because he doesn’t have his ult. But he can’t 501st, he can’t beat SEE Malak, He can’t beat Rey Resistance, he can’t beat JKR JML, he can’t beat JML, he can’t JMK of course. He should be a monster to begin with and then get stronger as the fight progresses. He was meant to be the ultimate badass. In raids he can’t even reach the lvl of slkr. He stacks dmg so slow and so low. He should be stacking dmg on basics and specials and then exponentially stacking with ult without a loss of dmg. This is not the chosen. I don’t even know who this is. GAS and DV hit harder.
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  • GoesDark wrote: »
    Is LV really that bad? I've seen some footage of him beating jmk cat without using maul

    He can't beat 501st. He get demolished because there is no dmg
  • scuba
    12762 posts Member
    edited September 17
    Most iconic character? Really? He had less screen time than jar jar binks.
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  • Ultra
    8269 posts Moderator
    Kiaowew wrote: »
    GoesDark wrote: »
    Is LV really that bad? I've seen some footage of him beating jmk cat without using maul

    He doesn't deal any damage, to deal high damage he needs to fire ultimate a few times, but by now hego team is dead.
    Yeah that's my issue with LV too

    He just doesn't have any DPS without ultimate, and with ultimate the DPS only increases if he has a lot of his allies alive, which is hard to do other than using tanks (which do die out eventually)
  • I have an Ult LV here and I fully agree. He is SUPER underwhelming. He deals no damage even when modded pure offense. I tried modding him for 13.5k offense and his basic attacks tickled tanks (10k ish) and roughly tickled anything else (15-25k ish).

    I then modded him pure speed and protection. His damage barly changed at all and now he can at least live against most teams. The problem is like what has already been posted. you have to use his ult a MINIMUM of 2 to 3 times before he deals and damage anywhere close to any other GL (besides see).

    I do want to say I have around a 90% win rate with him vs JMK w/ cat but thats due to getting my piet faster then the enemy cat and then running a 300 speed DV with it... along with shore and RG. ALL FIVE of my lineup are R8 (yes that includes shore and RG). Im not winning due to how good LV kit is.. Im winning due to mod differences. If I couldn't get piet faster then cat then RG or shore eats a 1 shot and ita basicly a loss from there.

    When JMK first came out he could beat any other GL on offense even without ult. With ult and kam he was on par and a very tough fight. Once cat came out it sent him overboard.

    Yes you can sorta cheese him with SEE and non sith tanks or beat him with JML Lead.

    LV does none of this. The slkr and see on my shard can't beat me.. but they can't beat JMK anyway so eh? Reys struggle but can win. JML walks all over LV. JMK curb stomps LV.

    LV is a tank that does less damage then other tanks dispite being an attacker.
  • It’s probably true that when Maul comes out it’ll push LV overboard but the only thing I think he needs to make him great is a re tune of his damage output. Do that and he’s fine.
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