[MEGA] State of the Gear-laxy

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  • Dta151
    12 posts Member
    edited September 29
    Ultra wrote: »
    Dta151 wrote: »
    So are impulse detectors included in any of this? It says R1-7 but I'm not sure what they classify impulse detectors as. Those are the only thing stopping me from taking a few toons to R8

    Nothing in the SOTG indicates that Impulse Detectors are being eased up

    :'(:/
  • Kyno
    31977 posts Moderator
    First dev post that hasn't made me contemplate quitting since before the July RA. Dare I say, I feel somewhat positive about it :open_mouth:

    I'm still annoyed by r9. But until we see these relic formula tweaks I've heard about, I'll keep my blood pressure down and the game installed :)

    I wouldnt expect relic recipes to change much in the 8,9 range. But that is just my speculation.

    They want to get people into the relic system, but r8 and r9 are still "end game".
  • Dta151 wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    Dta151 wrote: »
    So are impulse detectors included in any of this? It says R1-7 but I'm not sure what they classify impulse detectors as. Those are the only thing stopping me from taking a few toons to R8

    Nothing in the SOTG indicates that Impulse Detectors are being eased up

    :'(:/

    Are you surprised?
  • Kyno wrote: »
    SerWulfgar wrote: »
    I think for the sake of argument we need to separate the game from the community. These changes seem to be good for the game but are a kick in the teeth to each of the guilds in the 200-300 million range. Sad.

    With gear changes coming, those guilds in that range will be able to build into the place they want to be, and most guilds in those ranges are benefiting from the CRancor changes.

    Can you specify the bad parts for them?

    By making an even bigger incentive for their top players to leave the guild since they will be almost guaranteed to get R8 material in another guild. Those that are left will continue to spiral down because of the lack of access to R8 material that started with the recent Conquest changes.
  • People just do not understand yet the whole issue with the R9 being TW only.

    Things what will happen:
    A) hard sandbagging (to ensure win - x3,x4 is better than to get swhoosed away for maybe x5)
    B) fast kicks (a loose is now really expensive for everyone)
    C) big pressure for TW officers (no one wants to explain why the strategy didnt worked out...and all just got the shaft)
    D) medium sized guilds get nothing of the good stuff - nothing at all (enjoy community and players around you - so you still play? forget that you wont be competitive anymore!)...death to medium sized guilds

    Galactic challanges or freaking conquest would have been the right place to R9 - but your poor MM TW is a bad place for it.
  • Kyno
    31977 posts Moderator
    edited September 29
    Adoy_IdeJ wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    For crying out loud, play. your. own. game.
    Aeromagnifiers aren't the problem.

    Other changes are good, but I swear, every single post from CG includes something that they apparently think we should throw a party about, but anyone who's spent 5 minutes on this game can see is not the case (remember kryos were supposed to alleviate the gear crunch? ahahahahahahah)

    They dont expect anyone to throw a party, although Doja and Crumb to deserve one.

    The changes listed are only phase 1. They are aware there is more to all of this.

    They deserve sod all. They're doing nothing positive for the community.

    If this is how you feel, then you may little to understanding of what the job is they do.
  • Ultra wrote: »
    Adoy_IdeJ wrote: »
    So what about impulse detectors. R8 materials are easy to get. It's the impulse bits that are hard to get.

    conquest currency, weekly shipment, scrapping gear

    The truth is that Impulse Detectors are the bigger bottleneck to R8 than Aeromags. Forces a strategic decision on players for sure (Do I want more R8 or more G13 toons), which really is a personal choice. But the focus only on aeromags on the gear changes doesn't really make R8 easier to attain. Need to address both materials if it truly is the goal.
  • Wouldn't it be better to have the TW reward structure similar to what's already in place?
    i.e R9 pieces 5 for a win / 4 for a loss, decreasing with signed up GP. Still gives incentive to play but doesn't harshly penalise for a loss.
  • DHD wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    Adoy_IdeJ wrote: »
    So what about impulse detectors. R8 materials are easy to get. It's the impulse bits that are hard to get.

    conquest currency, weekly shipment, scrapping gear

    The truth is that Impulse Detectors are the bigger bottleneck to R8 than Aeromags. Forces a strategic decision on players for sure (Do I want more R8 or more G13 toons), which really is a personal choice. But the focus only on aeromags on the gear changes doesn't really make R8 easier to attain. Need to address both materials if it truly is the goal.
    The bottleneck sits behind a large wall. If you can't beat rancor, with changes to conquest it is almost impossible to geat aeromagnifiers without purchasing packs.
    I am in a 270 Mio guild, we are working on our members for months now and even did a fusion. Still being stuck at 50% P4 and big players leaving because progress is to slow. Problem is if you have a lot of older and/or bloated roster but not enough legends, Crancor is a sad joke
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  • Kyno
    31977 posts Moderator
    nottenst wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    SerWulfgar wrote: »
    I think for the sake of argument we need to separate the game from the community. These changes seem to be good for the game but are a kick in the teeth to each of the guilds in the 200-300 million range. Sad.

    With gear changes coming, those guilds in that range will be able to build into the place they want to be, and most guilds in those ranges are benefiting from the CRancor changes.

    Can you specify the bad parts for them?

    By making an even bigger incentive for their top players to leave the guild since they will be almost guaranteed to get R8 material in another guild. Those that are left will continue to spiral down because of the lack of access to R8 material that started with the recent Conquest changes.

    Unfortunately yes any time something changes in a guild event guilds do shift around. It would probably take a very lack luster change to have this not be the case.

    The thing is, with gear economy changes guilds can grow into end game content vs needing a few big fish to hold them up.
  • DHD wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    Adoy_IdeJ wrote: »
    So what about impulse detectors. R8 materials are easy to get. It's the impulse bits that are hard to get.

    conquest currency, weekly shipment, scrapping gear

    The truth is that Impulse Detectors are the bigger bottleneck to R8 than Aeromags. Forces a strategic decision on players for sure (Do I want more R8 or more G13 toons), which really is a personal choice. But the focus only on aeromags on the gear changes doesn't really make R8 easier to attain. Need to address both materials if it truly is the goal.

    You can obtain Impulse Detectors with crystals, you can only get Aeromags through CPit and Conque$t. The changes to Conque$t made Aeromags twice as hard to obtain (at least during this round of 3) if you aren't in a CPit guild. The bottleneck for those people is not addressed at all, except with encouragement to leave their guild.
  • Kyno
    31977 posts Moderator
    MF6076 wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be better to have the TW reward structure similar to what's already in place?
    i.e R9 pieces 5 for a win / 4 for a loss, decreasing with signed up GP. Still gives incentive to play but doesn't harshly penalise for a loss.

    I believe this part was done to more directly deal with the sign up and " do nothing" element of the game mode. Trying to actively push playing the game mode, and really trying to win.

    Also with loss tracking the numbers should average out, in theory.
  • zatho wrote: »
    DHD wrote: »
    Ultra wrote: »
    Adoy_IdeJ wrote: »
    So what about impulse detectors. R8 materials are easy to get. It's the impulse bits that are hard to get.

    conquest currency, weekly shipment, scrapping gear

    The truth is that Impulse Detectors are the bigger bottleneck to R8 than Aeromags. Forces a strategic decision on players for sure (Do I want more R8 or more G13 toons), which really is a personal choice. But the focus only on aeromags on the gear changes doesn't really make R8 easier to attain. Need to address both materials if it truly is the goal.
    The bottleneck sits behind a large wall. If you can't beat rancor, with changes to conquest it is almost impossible to geat aeromagnifiers without purchasing packs.
    I am in a 270 Mio guild, we are working on our members for months now and even did a fusion. Still being stuck at 50% P4 and big players leaving because progress is to slow. Problem is if you have a lot of older and/or bloated roster but not enough legends, Crancor is a sad joke

    We have been able to clear CPit for 6 months now (guild GP is now 290M but we were around 260M the first time we cleared it) and the templates for beating CPit are well known now. There are no prize boxes that award impulse detectors. You either need to spend cash, crystals, big time conquest currency or liquidate G12 pieces (Medpacs, Multitools or Bayonets) to acquire them. Like I said strategic decision on using the gear in the scavenger ... do I want more relic 8 or G13 characters? If they want to make R8 truly easier to attain, they either put impulse detectors in prize boxes or increase the amount of convertible G12 gear awarded. Pretty simple.
  • Oh, finally some change to the matchmaking, I was honestly no longer expecting that.
    But there just has to be at least one stinker in every update from CG. Locking r9 behind guild gp gate sucks big time, especially when it will be inevitably required for GLs in the future. It seems that they are simply moving the divide between whales and the rest of the ecosystem from gear in general to r9.
  • Kyno
    31977 posts Moderator
    Doesn’t this say that if you’re not in a 300M guild (and win at that tier) you have no access at all to r9 brains? If that’s the case, it’s atrocious and designed to kill good guilds in the 250-299 range.
    Have I misread?

    No you read this correctly, but may have some misunderstanding about what has happened each time new end game elements are released.

    They always start at the top and move them down over time. They also set this up to give a reward to development, and an incentive to develop more.
  • So, if your guild gets paired against someone in a higher division, and you beat them, you get the rewards from your own division? Sounds unfair, you should get the higher division rewards for beating someone in a higher division.
  • In general, I would say that an updated TW misses the mark ... I'm not saying it doesn't need an update, but an updated TW was not what folks have been generally clamoring for. Before Conquest came out, there was a lot of discussion on having a game mode that folks could play and enjoy more frequently (rather than logging in and staring at nothing to do). Conquest came out and 'scratched that itch' for a lot of folks, but Conquest 7 (and 8 and soon 9) went the other way and made it a more grindy event that needs to be done if you wanted better rewards. The updates to GAC were similar ... requiring more teams and ships (at least for my GP) and the time needed to play the event, and which really ends up facing the same teams over-and-over again (I see far more players setting atuo-defense than before the change) ... and, to be clear, I'm fine with having to have better teams to get more/better rewards, but the increased time sink really does need to be considered as does the playability/enjoyment of the events.

    With this proposed TW, I'm not confident that it won't just add another grindy component that folks who want to move ahead feel that they "need" to play rather than "want" to play (and I realize no one "needs" to play any of these games, but if you want to keep progressing than you do need to play these events). While it's entirely possible the match-making will be far improved, my concern is that it still seems to be focused on 'power'. With the recent nerfs to non-GLs, GLs will primarily be the name of the game ... the team with more GLs will likely be the winner (as it generally is in GAC) ... and power does not equal # of GLs. It would be nice to get a better idea of the matchmaking mechanisms to better understand what goes into matchmaking.

    As for rewards, I'm looking forward to seeing more details/clarifications on reward structures. I'm interested in what happens to the raid boxes for guilds above 220M ... will we be getting equivalent or better rewards than before? For the core box, is it based on win/loss as the text suggests, or is it for everyone over 60M? The ratio of gear for winning and losing at the higher GP seems a bit too lop-sided. To be competitive in TW takes a reasonable amount of time to coordinate and get through, and the rewards need to reflect that fact ... to put in a fair amount of time and effort and come away with nothing in some areas just sucks (I realize that this is to incentivize folks to play the event after many have given up on it, but if the event is enjoyable, people will play it without being incentivized to play it). Also, when added to the time it takes to get through TBs (which run in series with TW), Conquest (which run two weeks at a time) and expanded efforts in GAC ... there's starting to be too much grindy type game play to keep moving ahead, while we (ironically) can still find times where we want to "just play a game" and still find nothing to do.

    As for the proposed gear changes, they sound positive, but it's tough to determine since there's really no information on the actually increases (the closest we have is that hard node drop rates are going to almost double). [and, e.g., still no removal of things like Mk IV stun guns in Conquest reward boxes for those of us that have 1000s of them already and get plenty of them from other areas ... nothing worse than grinding an event for two weeks to get Mk IV stun guns]

    In the end, as a 6.4M GP player that's definitely not a top end player, and I'm not sure that range is "mid" either, I feel like so many of these changes are aimed at the top-end players who can reach these upper goals, or the low/mid folks to help them catch up.

    Finally, many of the guilds I know had just stabilized after CPit, and were in the early phases of recovering from shake-ups from the Conquest changes ... with these changes and the (poorly) timed introduction of R9, I suspect this will add to the folks already leaving the game and more instability for those of us that stay.

    So, again, while this could be positive, the track record with CG is that things sound positive, but when the details come out, there's generally more disappointment over the changes (the exception might have been the original release of Conquest).

    I sincerely hope I'm wrong here.
  • Kyno wrote: »
    Adoy_IdeJ wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    CaptainRex wrote: »
    For crying out loud, play. your. own. game.
    Aeromagnifiers aren't the problem.

    Other changes are good, but I swear, every single post from CG includes something that they apparently think we should throw a party about, but anyone who's spent 5 minutes on this game can see is not the case (remember kryos were supposed to alleviate the gear crunch? ahahahahahahah)

    They dont expect anyone to throw a party, although Doja and Crumb to deserve one.

    The changes listed are only phase 1. They are aware there is more to all of this.

    They deserve sod all. They're doing nothing positive for the community.

    If this is how you feel, then you may little to understanding of what the job is they do.

    What is the job they do exactly? Perhaps player sentiment would be a bit more positive if we actually knew.
    According to you they are doing great, but if the amount and subjects of the communication we've seen over the last couple of months are what is deemed satily rather be without "community managers". Some anonymous CG account making announcements without follow-up when something changes would pretty much yield the same result and there would be no expectations to meet.
    I'm sure they are nice people but from where I'm sitting they add (at least very close to) nothing to the community, so I won't be chipping in for party hats
  • Kyno wrote: »
    MF6076 wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be better to have the TW reward structure similar to what's already in place?
    i.e R9 pieces 5 for a win / 4 for a loss, decreasing with signed up GP. Still gives incentive to play but doesn't harshly penalise for a loss.

    I believe this part was done to more directly deal with the sign up and " do nothing" element of the game mode. Trying to actively push playing the game mode, and really trying to win.

    Also with loss tracking the numbers should average out, in theory.

    All nice in theory but with potential cross division matchmaking and smaller matchmaking brackets, I think they have just given platform to increased sandbagging to ensure a stable income of Relic mats.

    Is the loss tracking seasonal or just total from day X?
  • Kyno wrote: »
    MF6076 wrote: »
    Wouldn't it be better to have the TW reward structure similar to what's already in place?
    i.e R9 pieces 5 for a win / 4 for a loss, decreasing with signed up GP. Still gives incentive to play but doesn't harshly penalise for a loss.

    I believe this part was done to more directly deal with the sign up and " do nothing" element of the game mode. Trying to actively push playing the game mode, and really trying to win.

    Also with loss tracking the numbers should average out, in theory.

    The concern that I have with with the thought process in your response is that they're using rewards to drive folks to play the event, not giving us an event that is fun and enjoyable that we want to play. Folks would still play TW if it were enjoyable, but every TW looks and feels about the same (same teams, same process, etc) ... and with the new changes to nerf non-GLs it will likely be even worse as it will primarily be dependent on GLs ... and pulling a GAC approach to expand the number of teams needed to be placed on defense or offense just makes the game more of a chore, not more enjoyable.

    So, I agree with you that the changes in gear was done to remove the "do nothing" element of TW, but it's likely just going to make the game mode a grind, not increase the enjoyment and that is (to me) the core potential problem with the proposed change. Better matchmaking will make TW more fair, but it won't make it more enjoyable ... and neither will expanding the number of teams on defense and offense ... that's just more work/effort on top of the other game modes that have undergone similar changes.

    One last comment, I will agree that changes to the divisions and reward structures were merited, but the mode itself needs to be changed, not just the reward structure or number of teams to be used.

    Thanks.

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