TW reroll mats and matchmaking
August 29, 2022 10:38PM
edited August 2022
With datacron reroll mats moving out of conquest we are supposed to rely on TW. But the TW economy and matchmaking is currently broken promoting sandbagging matchups.
A TW win is 3x of the rare mk2/mk3 reroll mats compared to a loss. Assume joining only 80% of the guild basically guarantees a win and you still make 380M, whereas a full join might be 50%, or worse 33% if you run into a bunch of sandbaggers and basically need the dip match to win.
3x 80% = 240% average reroll mats for sandbagging
3x 50% + 1x 50% = 200% average reroll mats for even matchups
3x 33.3% + 1x %66.6% = 166.6% average if you get sandbagged
Clearly a broken economy/system, where you should play less to win more overall. Thoughts? Will this awful situation be improved with the changes to datacron economy? Some ideas: more higher GP brackets, less win/loss disparity in rewards, matchmaking changes like trying to match the number joined.
A TW win is 3x of the rare mk2/mk3 reroll mats compared to a loss. Assume joining only 80% of the guild basically guarantees a win and you still make 380M, whereas a full join might be 50%, or worse 33% if you run into a bunch of sandbaggers and basically need the dip match to win.
3x 80% = 240% average reroll mats for sandbagging
3x 50% + 1x 50% = 200% average reroll mats for even matchups
3x 33.3% + 1x %66.6% = 166.6% average if you get sandbagged
Clearly a broken economy/system, where you should play less to win more overall. Thoughts? Will this awful situation be improved with the changes to datacron economy? Some ideas: more higher GP brackets, less win/loss disparity in rewards, matchmaking changes like trying to match the number joined.
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Currently we are facing a top 10 guild with 42 whales signed up. We appear doomed to a “1 win, 2 loss” pattern until the sandbagging stops.
By having 8 people sit out on a rotation each time, every player in the sandbagging guild benefits in the long term (even those who sit out) because the unbalanced W-L reward weighting.
Is this by design @CG_Tusken_Meathead or is there a future plan in place to correct this?
Meh, TW is awful. The MM has always been terrible. At least now it tries to even out the win/loss so you don't miss out on too many rewards.
I'm not sure it tries to even it out so much as give you one freebie every so often.
Idk. We had some great matchups in the prior version of MM. Not perfect but better.
We very rarely had a fair matchup on paper in the old MM. In my experience, current MM actually gives fair matches on paper much more often than the old MM did.
Either way, especially with datacrons, TW is awful and takes way too much officer time to execute properly.
I never claimed there was parity. What I said was:
1. Current MM will hand out freebies after so many losses in a row
2. In my experience the current MM gives fair matches on paper way more often than the old MM did
We’ve won 7 in a row. Some of them have been ridiculously lopsided in our favour, some a bit closer but in all 7 of them we’ve been pretty clear favourites on paper. Some of our opponents were on a run of a couple of defeats - they definitely didn’t get a freebie.
I’ve not noticed any real difference between new and old matchmaking in terms of fairness - but I have noticed that the biggest determining factor in matchups these days is datacrons.
If Guild A has 1.5 x Guild B’s datacrons, particularly at level 9, there’s only one outcome.
And that’s the biggest complaint I have about the new TW matchmaking alongside the impact of datacrons. Most TWs I’ve been involved in have not been a war. They’ve been a foregone conclusion.