When will CG start taking cheating seriously again?

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  • If anyone wants to know the 250mill guild using a 900k account cheater to finish crancor message me I’ll let you know.
  • I’m guessing I’m not allowed to post their name on here as I’ll get banned or get this post banned. But cheaters can still play and not get banned lol
  • If anyone wants to know the 250mill guild using a 900k account cheater to finish crancor message me I’ll let you know.

    You can drop it on the To Catch a Cheater discord server and we can verify.
  • I’m not on that.
  • I’m not on that.

    I sent you an invitation.
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  • lucaefor
    65 posts Member
    edited January 14
    Admire your courage in reposting a thread on this because in a lot of forum environments it could lead to permanent suspension depending on how someone would decide to translate the Terms of Service. There are unfortunately a lot of bloodthirsty people working in these places (not specifically here but in general)
  • ZurinFet wrote: »
    lucaefor wrote: »
    Admire your courage in reposting a thread on this because in a lot of forum environments it could lead to permanent suspension depending on how someone would decide to translate the Terms of Service. There are unfortunately a lot of bloodthirsty people working in these places (not specifically here but in general)

    I can't be the only one that sees how absurd that is. It's as if I was scared of reporting the burglar in fear of being arrested by the police.

    Reporting the burglar isn’t against the law, so it doesn’t really compare to knowingly breaking the rules. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
  • ZurinFet
    242 posts Member
    edited January 14
    nfidel2k wrote: »
    ZurinFet wrote: »
    lucaefor wrote: »
    Admire your courage in reposting a thread on this because in a lot of forum environments it could lead to permanent suspension depending on how someone would decide to translate the Terms of Service. There are unfortunately a lot of bloodthirsty people working in these places (not specifically here but in general)

    I can't be the only one that sees how absurd that is. It's as if I was scared of reporting the burglar in fear of being arrested by the police.

    Reporting the burglar isn’t against the law, so it doesn’t really compare to knowingly breaking the rules. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Oh I'm sorry, which rules am I breaking?

    Let's say in fleet arena, I have a payout at 1pm. I'm currently in second place and start a match agaisnt the rank 1 player 5min and 10seconds before my payout. I end up winning the match with 1 second left on the clock and the popup says I'm rank 1.

    By the time I get back to the game lobby, I hit refresh to check rewards and it somehow displays me at rank 2 still. It goes like that for a few days and I suspect some kind of bug prevents me from getting rank 1 close to the payout time, or maybe more than one player can attack at the same time perhaps?

    I fully record gameplay of the issue, and proceed to post it in the appropriate section in the forums. The full gameplay has names of everyone in my shard, and also my opponent.

    What happens next? Does my post get deleted? Do I get warned? Do they ignore it? Am I breaking the rules?
  • ZurinFet wrote: »
    nfidel2k wrote: »
    ZurinFet wrote: »
    lucaefor wrote: »
    Admire your courage in reposting a thread on this because in a lot of forum environments it could lead to permanent suspension depending on how someone would decide to translate the Terms of Service. There are unfortunately a lot of bloodthirsty people working in these places (not specifically here but in general)

    I can't be the only one that sees how absurd that is. It's as if I was scared of reporting the burglar in fear of being arrested by the police.

    Reporting the burglar isn’t against the law, so it doesn’t really compare to knowingly breaking the rules. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Oh I'm sorry, which rules am I breaking?

    I wasn’t accusing you.

    But I would suggest not attacking mods or moderation, as it won’t help your stated cause. They are two different groups - the people who mod and the people who handle cheaters. Don’t lump them together.
    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
  • ZurinFet wrote: »
    Oh I'm not, the OP is about letting it be known that the proper channels are NOT working, that nothing is being done, and what are we to expect in that regard.

    Interesting, because the last thread was closed with an update to the process. Should probably give it a chance.

    ICYMI, the process now is to message CG_Leviathan with your ally code, their ally code, their name, and a brief description of the cheating.
    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
  • That's the same process with a different DM contact. Color me skeptical
  • Ultra
    10370 posts Moderator
    ZurinFet wrote: »
    I'm going to DM the same report daily from now on, lets see how many months until they take action, if that ever happens

    Please do
  • Ultra
    10370 posts Moderator
    Personally I have sent one cheating report since they told us to report to Leviathan and I'm waiting to see how long it takes for a response back, but a bigger sample size helps (more people reporting and informing how long it takes to hear back)
  • That's the same process with a different DM contact. Color me skeptical
    Yes. And it i reasonable to at least assume that CG might take more action with the change, whether they assigned more people, changed who it was assigned to, whatever. Don’t exclude the possibility that the change to the process was more behind the curtain and less in front.
    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
  • nfidel2k wrote: »
    That's the same process with a different DM contact. Color me skeptical
    Yes. And it i reasonable to at least assume that CG might take more action with the change, whether they assigned more people, changed who it was assigned to, whatever. Don’t exclude the possibility that the change to the process was more behind the curtain and less in front.

    Again, there was no change, it has been that person for the past 8 months at least, people that say they changed it probably reported waaay back when it used to be someone else.
  • ZurinFet wrote: »
    nfidel2k wrote: »
    That's the same process with a different DM contact. Color me skeptical
    Yes. And it i reasonable to at least assume that CG might take more action with the change, whether they assigned more people, changed who it was assigned to, whatever. Don’t exclude the possibility that the change to the process was more behind the curtain and less in front.

    Again, there was no change, it has been that person for the past 8 months at least, people that say they changed it probably reported waaay back when it used to be someone else.

    There’s literally an edit with a date/time stamp. But since you admit you haven’t tried, I recommend trying before going back to the argument.
    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
  • ZurinFet
    242 posts Member
    edited January 14
    You can add a comma and that counts as an edit. But here you go. June 2022. The "new" protocol from January 9th 2023. Now lets get back on topic

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  • nfidel2k
    156 posts Member
    edited January 15
    Lumiya wrote: »

    You do realise that in the original thread here on the forums Leviathan and Lucifersdaddy were named as the persons to contact?
    Then, some while ago mods always told people to contact Lucifersdaddy when someone asked in a thread. IIrc the original CG thread still also named Leviathan as second contact without change. But even if it was changed, there seemed to be a reason why people shouldn't contact Leviathan anymore and why it was changed to only Lucifersdaddy.

    After some time people realised that Lucifersdaddy wasn't logged in for a longer time so the threads started to get more frequent where people asked whom to report to. CGs answer was to keep reporting to Lucifersdaddy because eventhough they didn't log in, they got the reports via email.

    In the now deleted thread from sigsig, sigsig stated that they heard that Lucifersdaddy doesn't work anymore for CG for quite a while and questioned if Leviathan even still works for CG. Only after that CG changed their thread to report to Leviathan again(and removed Lucifersdaddy as contact)

    Do you not see how that is a problem? People get told to contact a person that wasn't online for a long time with assurances that the messages are still read and only after a player reveals that said contact doesn't even work for CG anymore do they change the contact to someone whom originally was named as the second contact but for some reason should not be contacted anymore.

    I think it is more than understandable that people now question the process and if Leviathan even still works for CG and if and how CG deals with cheaters given that many players still see thise reported cheaters being active after months and months (btw in my case even after more than a year).

    In addition to ZurinFet's questions I have the following:

    - Is CG even able to determine if someone cheated when the reported cheating took place a while ago because they only get to the report later/because only one person is working on the reports?
    - Are they able to check back to the time the cheating occured?
    - How far back can they check?
    - Does CG have a database with daily logs?
    - How long are they being stored?
    - How many persons are actually actively working on a daily basis on following reported cheatings?
    - Why do players not at least get a notification when the report has been recieved/is investigated?
    - Will CG actually follow through with what they assured and reimburse players when they lost rewards because of a cheater?
    - Will CG also reimburse others whom lost against the same cheater but didn't report it (because they didn't check or because they used the in game option/didn't know about the forum option?
    - How are cheaters handled/punished? (CG does not have to name them but could very well say how in general it is being handled.
    - If cheaters can return after a temporary ban, are they being actively monitored?

    All good questions, some of which I too want answers. But that doesn’t change the fact that a Community Manager did respond. And the text that was updated in the cheater section was more than a comma; prior to the edit it was to message an address that hasn’t been used for years. And I don’t exclude the possibility that there was a process change behind the scenes, like who monitors the Leviathan account, that will improve report handling. But I do know that 5 days isn’t long enough to see a change, let alone 24 hours. Priority one is handling the cheaters.

    But Zurin is right, reporting a cheater isn’t on-topic here.
    Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.
  • Ultra
    10370 posts Moderator
    Lumiya wrote: »
    - Is CG even able to determine if someone cheated when the reported cheating took place a while ago because they only get to the report later/because only one person is working on the reports?
    - Are they able to check back to the time the cheating occured?
    - How far back can they check?
    - Does CG have a database with daily logs?
    - How long are they being stored?
    - How many persons are actually actively working on a daily basis on following reported cheatings?
    - Why do players not at least get a notification when the report has been recieved/is investigated?
    - Will CG actually follow through with what they assured and reimburse players when they lost rewards because of a cheater?
    - Will CG also reimburse others whom lost against the same cheater but didn't report it (because they didn't check or because they used the in game option/didn't know about the forum option?
    - How are cheaters handled/punished? (CG does not have to name them but could very well say how in general it is being handled.
    - If cheaters can return after a temporary ban, are they being actively monitored?

    Some of these questions CG can't answer or won't answer (like the first 5 questions)
  • Yeah I'm all for keeping things simple 😉
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