Is putting no defense in GAC actually a better strategy?

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  • well i lost with this strategy because he attacked once and got 10 banners (skull emoji)
  • well i lost with this strategy because he attacked once and got 10 banners (skull emoji)

    … you do know you can attack too right?
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  • yolkywareagle
    1016 posts Member
    edited March 2023
    well i lost with this strategy because he attacked once and got 10 banners (skull emoji)

    … you do know you can attack too right?

    I did
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  • Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.
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  • " One Does Not Simply"
    "Win with fair matchmaking in GAC"
  • Starslayer
    2416 posts Member
    edited March 2023
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  • lucaefor wrote: »
    " One Does Not Simply"
    "Win with fair matchmaking in GAC"

    Not what my recent GAC history would suggest. My brackets have been fairly open this last few weeks.


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  • Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.
  • Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't
  • Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but they get banners from full health full protection first round and stuff, but not undersized squad banners
  • BubbaFett
    3311 posts Member
    Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but they get banners from full health full protection first round and stuff, but not undersized squad banners

    They get undersize as well... The full load I believe, which makes sense since they beat it with nothing
  • yolkywareagle
    1016 posts Member
    edited March 2023
    Oh shoot thanks
  • BubbaFett wrote: »
    Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but they get banners from full health full protection first round and stuff, but not undersized squad banners

    They get undersize as well... The full load I believe, which makes sense since they beat it with nothing
    Just to be sure...playing with no defense gives the opponent a score that cannot be matched even if you win all attacks with only one attacker...?
  • Ghost666 wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but they get banners from full health full protection first round and stuff, but not undersized squad banners

    They get undersize as well... The full load I believe, which makes sense since they beat it with nothing
    Just to be sure...playing with no defense gives the opponent a score that cannot be matched even if you win all attacks with only one attacker...?

    If you don't set a defense, your opponent will get the maximum banners for every squad where you do not place a defense.

    It is my understanding that you can match that if you also beat a squad for max banners. You would do that by winning with one character and having full protection and health.

    As an aside, you win the "I set no character defense" strategy by setting an unbeatable ship defense; but you, yourself, must also be able to clear their ships.
  • el_mago wrote: »
    Ghost666 wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but they get banners from full health full protection first round and stuff, but not undersized squad banners

    They get undersize as well... The full load I believe, which makes sense since they beat it with nothing
    Just to be sure...playing with no defense gives the opponent a score that cannot be matched even if you win all attacks with only one attacker...?

    If you don't set a defense, your opponent will get the maximum banners for every squad where you do not place a defense.

    It is my understanding that you can match that if you also beat a squad for max banners. You would do that by winning with one character and having full protection and health.

    As an aside, you win the "I set no character defense" strategy by setting an unbeatable ship defense; but you, yourself, must also be able to clear their ships.

    Exactly which, in my opinion, makes it less of a strategy and more of a lazy gamble :)
  • Ghost666 wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but they get banners from full health full protection first round and stuff, but not undersized squad banners

    They get undersize as well... The full load I believe, which makes sense since they beat it with nothing
    Just to be sure...playing with no defense gives the opponent a score that cannot be matched even if you win all attacks with only one attacker...?
    The devs have deliberately designed the scoring system so that zone clearing earns a sufficient amount of points to ensure clearing more zones results in victory.

    The no defence strategy awards full banners wins for all your empty slots, but those that use this approach set a strong fleet defence hoping the opponent can't clear their fleets.

    If Player A clears 4 zones and Player B gets full banner wins for 3 zones but fails to clear the 4th zone, Player A will win unless they perform incredibly badly on offence.
  • BubbaFett wrote: »
    el_mago wrote: »
    Ghost666 wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but they get banners from full health full protection first round and stuff, but not undersized squad banners

    They get undersize as well... The full load I believe, which makes sense since they beat it with nothing
    Just to be sure...playing with no defense gives the opponent a score that cannot be matched even if you win all attacks with only one attacker...?

    If you don't set a defense, your opponent will get the maximum banners for every squad where you do not place a defense.

    It is my understanding that you can match that if you also beat a squad for max banners. You would do that by winning with one character and having full protection and health.

    As an aside, you win the "I set no character defense" strategy by setting an unbeatable ship defense; but you, yourself, must also be able to clear their ships.

    Exactly which, in my opinion, makes it less of a strategy and more of a lazy gamble :)

    Unless you have deliberately invested in your own fleets to put yourself in a position to make it work without it being a ‘gamble’.
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  • BubbaFett
    3311 posts Member
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    el_mago wrote: »
    Ghost666 wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but they get banners from full health full protection first round and stuff, but not undersized squad banners

    They get undersize as well... The full load I believe, which makes sense since they beat it with nothing
    Just to be sure...playing with no defense gives the opponent a score that cannot be matched even if you win all attacks with only one attacker...?

    If you don't set a defense, your opponent will get the maximum banners for every squad where you do not place a defense.

    It is my understanding that you can match that if you also beat a squad for max banners. You would do that by winning with one character and having full protection and health.

    As an aside, you win the "I set no character defense" strategy by setting an unbeatable ship defense; but you, yourself, must also be able to clear their ships.

    Exactly which, in my opinion, makes it less of a strategy and more of a lazy gamble :)

    Unless you have deliberately invested in your own fleets to put yourself in a position to make it work without it being a ‘gamble’.

    Hey, if it works it works.... Everyone gets to play the game the way they see fit...
  • BubbaFett wrote: »
    el_mago wrote: »
    Ghost666 wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but they get banners from full health full protection first round and stuff, but not undersized squad banners

    They get undersize as well... The full load I believe, which makes sense since they beat it with nothing
    Just to be sure...playing with no defense gives the opponent a score that cannot be matched even if you win all attacks with only one attacker...?

    If you don't set a defense, your opponent will get the maximum banners for every squad where you do not place a defense.

    It is my understanding that you can match that if you also beat a squad for max banners. You would do that by winning with one character and having full protection and health.

    As an aside, you win the "I set no character defense" strategy by setting an unbeatable ship defense; but you, yourself, must also be able to clear their ships.

    Exactly which, in my opinion, makes it less of a strategy and more of a lazy gamble :)

    Unless you have deliberately invested in your own fleets to put yourself in a position to make it work without it being a ‘gamble’.

    Except there is a better strategy if you want to do that: put the weakest characters in your roster on those defense slots. They can’t do worse than no team at all and will very likely do better.
    That’s why it’s not inappropriate to call this strategy ‘lazy’, because with a little more effort it will be similar but more effective.
  • Starslayer wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    el_mago wrote: »
    Ghost666 wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Yeah. Fleets only defence won’t work if you cant clear their fleets.

    I believe it would if I used undersized squads. i only used wampacron on the last battle, and that gave me a few more.

    How exactly? Your opponent got 59 for every squad you didn't place. How are you outperforming that with Wampa? ... you aren't

    Correct me if i’m wrong, but they get banners from full health full protection first round and stuff, but not undersized squad banners

    They get undersize as well... The full load I believe, which makes sense since they beat it with nothing
    Just to be sure...playing with no defense gives the opponent a score that cannot be matched even if you win all attacks with only one attacker...?

    If you don't set a defense, your opponent will get the maximum banners for every squad where you do not place a defense.

    It is my understanding that you can match that if you also beat a squad for max banners. You would do that by winning with one character and having full protection and health.

    As an aside, you win the "I set no character defense" strategy by setting an unbeatable ship defense; but you, yourself, must also be able to clear their ships.

    Exactly which, in my opinion, makes it less of a strategy and more of a lazy gamble :)

    Unless you have deliberately invested in your own fleets to put yourself in a position to make it work without it being a ‘gamble’.

    Except there is a better strategy if you want to do that: put the weakest characters in your roster on those defense slots. They can’t do worse than no team at all and will very likely do better.
    That’s why it’s not inappropriate to call this strategy ‘lazy’, because with a little more effort it will be similar but more effective.

    Oh I agree on that point. Putting weaker squads which might steal the odd banner by denting your opponents teams protection could make the difference between win or lose.
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  • Screerider
    1356 posts Member
    edited March 2023
    At what point does a defense full of easily cleared teams go from "lazy" to "going full offense"? (Assuming the ships zone is still the "hard to clear" variety, per this discussion)
  • BubbaFett
    3311 posts Member
    Screerider wrote: »
    At what point does a defense full of easily cleared teams go from "lazy" to "going full offense"?

    I don't think a defence full of easily cleared teams is lazy... Not bothering to set any defence at all other than ships is lazy imop..
  • Screerider wrote: »
    At what point does a defense full of easily cleared teams go from "lazy" to "going full offense"? (Assuming the ships zone is still the "hard to clear" variety, per this discussion)

    When you take the time to select weak defenses and place them on the board.
    I wanted to express that ‘putting no defense in GAC’ is not a good strategy, to directly answer OP. You just offer your opponent max undersized banners for every empty slot.
    However, going full offense on ground with a strong fleet to hold the sky is one strategy among others.
  • At least if you place teams on Defense once, you can just leave them there every time. Going "No Defense" would vary from opponent to opponent depending on their ships, so you'd have to remove teams, re-add them, remove them, re-adding them, etc. Sounds like work.
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