I still don't understand why Reva is OP
Title says it all. I don't understand based on everything CG has told us about power rankings of characters based on where /how they're obtained why reva dominates every galactic legend in every aspect of the game. . they nerfed traya's omi when she could beat 1, they nerfed wat when he had too much power vs GLs. Reva dominates even outside GAC. this isn't in line with what CG said
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but shouldn't she not be able to kill any GL? isn't that the CG way? I'm excluding datacrons, because they are temporary (per CG anyway)
It would be a really boring gam eif nothing could kill a GL....
for the most part, most of the counters are other GL (barring datacrons), no? yes there are exceptions, but im talking the majority of counters?
I'm in K2 and that pretty much seems to always be how it is for me. i have 5 gls (no see or lv yet). my opponents almost always have all 7 plus every other toon, maxed out. sometimes I win bc they don't attack, sometimes bc they are kittens who have no strategy. but often it comes down to they will put all their gls on D and that's it for me
Lots of GL counters out there, you just have to research... Fennec is a pretty solid Vader counter, the right GAS strategy will knock off SLKR etc...
You can't deny this is beyond cg's loosely established power differential. This is not simply -killing gls-. And cg knows it too. It won't remain as is either. Rather sure of that.
New shiny that's difficult to get because you have to get inquisitors, then get GI, then get 5 of them up to R7. THEN you have to get others in your guild to build their rosters to do the same thing.
There are counters to GL's, but Reva is just excessively dumb. CG claims "balance" and power levels, but they don't know squat about either and continually prove they don't care about balance by spewing out datacrons every 4 months that skew entire rosters.
At the least, there isn't a Reva datacron for the time being, but it'll be back soon enough I'm sure. They're to the point of recycling datacrons already.
Why can’t Reva also be an exception?
You need Grand Inquisitor + Reva (two JG toons) vs just Starkiller or Aphra etc
And farming her depends on 49 other players
These are all high gp concerns. At some point it's not like you can ignore any team or even have more gls to grab. Then it happens by the natural flow of things, the only thing that's beyond that natural flow is a few relic levels. This argument would only hold water if the team was only good for the purpose of farming the completion toon (say like jawas position with the new raid hardly being beneficial elsewhere comperatively).
Why shouldn't Reva beat GL?..... She certainly requires a lot more investment...
I didn't say she shouldn't beat a gl. This is not a boolean equation of "beat a gl y/n."
Maybe not, but it is the topic of the thread and the original post.....
If you aren't concerned about Reva beating GL then what exactly are you concerned about?
I think OP means that she can kill every GL not just one or two. That's the big difference to other counters/toons. They might work against one specific GL if you have a specific squad and/or mods but you can't use that against every GL whereas Reva can be used against every GL.
Even GLs have "limitations" against certain other GLs and need a very specific squad or depend on specific RNG or can timeout.
Reva should be heavily nerfed because what cg is saying is Reva is stronger than Luke, anakin, sidious, revan, maul the list goes on
Reva should be heavily nerfed because what cg is saying is Reva is stronger than Luke, anakin, sidious, revan, maul the list goes on[/quote]
I don't read too much into the relative strengths of characters in this game when compared to the films, books etc. Older characters tend to be weaker and the newer ones stronger. That's how power levels move up the gears.
You've mentioned Sideous. He's at best average these days but was powerful in the early game.
There are degrees of things. Like I said it's not "does this thing beat a gl?". I have all the gl and I'll soon have her unlocked. I still don't like the severity of power shift. Do you have first hand experience playing with or against her?
In short power creep begets power creep. Power has always crept as this is the nature of this type of games. This particular creep is too much creep in my experience so far.
Sure, there are degrees of creep, you are right... I tend to look at it as effort vs. reward... I use GL's as an example as they are the most powerful characters we can get through individual effort...
I also don't think Reva is OP at all because I think the power of a character should be scaled to the amount of effort it takes to obtain it... It takes 50 (if everyone buys in) people in a guild farming 5 inquisitors and relicing them up, then those 50 people have to complete the GI event and relic him up... Then those 50 people have to complete 330 Reva missions in a territory battle that only comes along every 2 weeks... That's a lot of effort!
And, no I have no personal experience playing with her unfortunately but I have faced two Revas, one in 3v3 and one in 5v5.... I beat the 3v3 one with SEE (whom everyone seems to think is useless) and I beat the 5v5 one with Sith trio and Savage.... She is definitely beatable and, if I had her, I would likely be saving her for offence...
She also requires more investment than some of the GLs she counters.
In real terms, she is basically a guild GL in all but tags.
I don't get the 50 argument at all which is mainly pushed by a particular moderator rather than being a truth. You don't need 50 people to do that at all. Want her the fastest possible like a very few top guilds does? Sure.
But she's here to stay and unlocking her in extra few months don't matter in the long run all that much. Then in that few months time we land in a territory where much more than the top has her and we are in a position to both use her and having to beat her.
Now that power differential will become apparent to people that denies to accept the opness ongoing. She needs to be taken slightly down to size. Ofc not the degree of a hard nerf. I have yet to see anyone argue she should be as lowbie as say KAM (who is not junk whatsoever but also visibly below what was expected back then for it...and now too.)
Side note on the investment perspective: are there really guilds that goes above and beyond to early unlock her at let's say 400m to gain a leg against other guilds around their ballpark? If not, most guilds around your guild's gp is doing the same thing and will unlock her in a similar interval whether that is 15 shards per tb or 40.
Well, either way, it's a lot of effort and if people don't farm the requirements to get her then they aren't going to have the characters to get use with her when their guild unlocks her for them, so it's kind of chicken egg.... And yes, there ar emany guilds doing that... ROTE has only been here since December and there are over 2400 SWgoh.gg resgistered players that have her already...
Whether or not she is "OP" is debatable... There have been plenty of characters in the history of this game that everyone thought were OP, especially back in the old squad arena days... I am sure by the time she is more common place in the game there will have been several counters that have come along and she won't need a "nerf", but only time will tell..
Hmmm the number of unlocked doesn't showcase what I meant though. There is a plausible level of investment for a guild at some gp and most that are somewhat close are pushing for their inq team. But I've yet to see a guild with a high reva focus where they get twice the amount of shards compared to similar gp guilds. My guild doesn't, but neither does the guilds I'm networked with at high end.
Anyways, I agree that we'll see what happens in time and my personal experience against her is clear. I regularly play test in arena with shard folks. I believe that my experience will just be commonalised as more people has the gameplay. If cg makes no change, it doesn't directly effect me all that much as I'll have her, so does everyone around me.
The thing with creep is the next step in that creep. Another instance of high creep came with first revan, 2nd revan and gas following up which led us to the gl era. It was a plausible move from cg given that they couldn't contain the creep without establishing a new ceiling. It was just a natural cascade of the previous year that can not be ever taken back at some point.
If you are unlocking Reva soon, you are probably in one of the elite guilds, and are having it unlocked easily, relatively speaking. For the rest of us, it takes a lot more effort, not just by each of ourselves, but a whole guild, to unlock her in, say, 9-12 months realistically. Maybe from a raw material standpoint she is still a less expensive investment than a GL, but she certainly is much harder.