Ahsoka TV Series (Spoiler Discussion)

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    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Gawejn wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    the fight between the 2 padawans seemed less skilled than most lightsaber duels we've seen. which would be fitting, considering they are both not fully trained.

    Absolutely true, and a reasonable thought process.

    Therein lies the problem though... There is too much of this going on in the new Star Wars stuff where the fans have to fill in the gaps and make up theories to explain inconsistencies...

    A simple 30 second scene showing Ahsoka and or Hera being concerned over Sabine while she is near death and being rushed to a medical bay would have at least made this feel "real"... Instead, everyone seemed mostly meh about the whole thing and next thing Sabine is in the hospital looking like she got her tonsils removed instead of having being impaled in the gut with a superheated plasma sword....

    Yep, but she survived.....qui gon was too weak to survive....

    At this point, i wouldn't be surprised to find out Dooku survived.... lol

    “Somehow, Revan has returned..”
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    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Gawejn wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    the fight between the 2 padawans seemed less skilled than most lightsaber duels we've seen. which would be fitting, considering they are both not fully trained.

    Absolutely true, and a reasonable thought process.

    Therein lies the problem though... There is too much of this going on in the new Star Wars stuff where the fans have to fill in the gaps and make up theories to explain inconsistencies...

    A simple 30 second scene showing Ahsoka and or Hera being concerned over Sabine while she is near death and being rushed to a medical bay would have at least made this feel "real"... Instead, everyone seemed mostly meh about the whole thing and next thing Sabine is in the hospital looking like she got her tonsils removed instead of having being impaled in the gut with a superheated plasma sword....

    Yep, but she survived.....qui gon was too weak to survive....

    At this point, i wouldn't be surprised to find out Dooku survived.... lol
    oh look who’s flying through the sky.

    jango fett.

    On a more realistic “someone could survive” point, we could be seeing windu soon. maybe that too optimistic, but this seems like a story he could join up on.
  • Ultra
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    man all the complaints of surviving the lightsaber wound are over exaggerated imo

    it was fine
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    Therein lies the problem though... There is too much of this going on in the new Star Wars stuff where the fans have to fill in the gaps and make up theories to explain inconsistencies...

    Hard agree.

    It's not so much that you couldn't survive a hole through the gut -- that happens with gunshot wounds all the time, and they aren't automatically cauterized -- as that if the person wants to kill you and you do that dramatic moment of the person impaled and shocked and motionless, all the attacker has to do is pull the lightsaber out through your side rather than the way it went in.. Maybe a parting shot chops off the top half of your skull.

    Sure, you can survive a stab, but the fact that you're standing or lying there so easy to finish off and the attacker doesn't finish you off invites the viewers to ask WHY the character isn't dealing a coup-de-grace. Does the apprentice not actually want to kill Sabine? Surely the apprentice knows that people can survive a cauterized hole through the gut if we know that. So her choice not to finish off Sabine is intentional. It's not just her thinking Sabine was already dead.

    What does that say about her? Is she merciful? Is she not actually loyal to her master? What?

    We don't know, and likely we will never know, because it's likely (not certain, but likely) that the writers aren't even thinking about how silly it is not to deal a killing blow when you have someone helpless and you know that medical aid can save them.

    And that just makes them bad writers who aren't thinking through the realities of the worlds they have created. It doesn't even occur to them that they need to stay consistent with the premises of lightsaber combat as established in 500 previous sources.
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    I agree with the comment about her smugness and attitude. I did not like it. I also agree with the comment about bad acting. I did enjoy it though. Sometimes it takes actors a few episodes to get the character down.
  • CaiaAquilea
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    A lightsaber that can cut through tough metal alloy would melt / burn every bit of your squishy insides. It's not like a gun wound.
    Never mind this, the lightsaber fights were all pretty terrible. So much over acting, spinning, needless raising of arms and thereby exposing the entire body. 😒
    (Mind you, Kylo & Rey vs red guards in TLJ was worse, so it's not a new thing.)

    Someone already mentioned the ridiculous first scene with the High-Profile Prisoner being transported with minimal security. It's almost as if they wanted her to be rescued.

    Hera looks as if she is discussing the weather when it dawn's on her that Ezra might still be alive. And seriously, they hadn't considered that he might be alive even though Chimaera clearly didn't explode but was taken into hyperspace at the end of Rebels? What a great family...

    Sabine is insufferable and acts as if she was a teenager. Ahsoka has no expression except stoic smugness. Why was Sabine her apprentice? Since when does she have the Force? Or don't you need the Force anymore?
    Ahsoka was never a Jedi Knight, yet the opening crawl (which looks like something the Intern quickly did on PowerPoint) claims that she is.

    Morgan Elsbeth is now a great ally of Thrawn's during his time in the Empire. Since when? There is zero set-up for this. She sure would have come in handy during Rebels.

    Fetch quests upon fetch quests and the "puzzles" are laughable. Nobody thought about twisting the golden snitch? Even if you didn't guess the clue, you could have tried every combination and be done in an hour. But apparently only Sabine can do that.

    The self destruct droids in the old temple... If they had succeeded (which is unlikely given the arming sequence took forever), Ahsoka and the map would have been destroyed. Great plan.

    Thrawn... There is no reason anyone watching should be concerned about him unless you know Heir to the Empire, Rebels (even there he was hardly brilliant) or have read the books. A little bit of setup for the supposedly evil villain would have been nice. Other than saying "there will be war". Show, don't tell.

    I could go on but the writing is so bad and relies purely on people's nostalgia for these characters.

    I want to like the show but my hopes are slim.
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    Come on, folks. She clearly got stabbed to the side of her kidney. And the heat from the lightsaber would instantly cauterise the wound, which is why she didn't bleed. That being said, she would have an extra hole unless it got patched up. Given the angle of the thrust, I suppose you could attach lenses to either end and turn her into a human telescope.
  • Gawejn
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    A lightsaber that can cut through tough metal alloy would melt / burn every bit of your squishy insides. It's not like a gun wound.
    Never mind this, the lightsaber fights were all pretty terrible. So much over acting, spinning, needless raising of arms and thereby exposing the entire body. 😒
    (Mind you, Kylo & Rey vs red guards in TLJ was worse, so it's not a new thing.)

    Someone already mentioned the ridiculous first scene with the High-Profile Prisoner being transported with minimal security. It's almost as if they wanted her to be rescued.]


    And captain of the ship wasnt too smart. He let someone to land in his ship despite he was thinking that his guests were empire. He assumed that they were not danger...how he became the captain i have no idea...maybe someone who promoted him wasnt smart too....
  • shlominus
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    *way too many sensible thoughts than this series deserves*

    I want to like the show but my hopes are slim.

    yup. i really like the phoenix crew and had high hopes from the trailers but i fear filoni is just a bad director for live action material. and the writing... don't get me started. :(

    if this doesn't turn around very quickly (and i doubt it can), this will be a huge fail. if this wasn't star wars, we wouldn't waste another thought on it. we'd laugh and move on to other, better stuff. i wonder why they even came up with the idea to make sabine a jedi. the character was great as she was and this adds nothing.

    ps: to say something positive, i think they managed to get chopper 100% right. why we need another "fun" droid beside him, only filoni knows...

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    Did anyone else notice the werid awkward pauses as two characeters simply stared at eachother trying to convey emotion through their expressions or was that just me?.....
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    Grogu_7 wrote: »
    I agree with the comment about her smugness and attitude. I did not like it. I also agree with the comment about bad acting. I did enjoy it though. Sometimes it takes actors a few episodes to get the character down.
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Did anyone else notice the werid awkward pauses as two characeters simply stared at eachother trying to convey emotion through their expressions or was that just me?.....

    yeah i noticed this too and it was getting annoying to look at
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    Ultra wrote: »
    Grogu_7 wrote: »
    I agree with the comment about her smugness and attitude. I did not like it. I also agree with the comment about bad acting. I did enjoy it though. Sometimes it takes actors a few episodes to get the character down.
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Did anyone else notice the werid awkward pauses as two characeters simply stared at eachother trying to convey emotion through their expressions or was that just me?.....

    yeah i noticed this too and it was getting annoying to look at

    Yea, I mean, it wasn't all that bad..... Unlike most SW fans, I am not willing to write a whole series off over a few flaws.... But man, that felt really weird to me... I was like "SAY SOMETHING!"
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    I’m honestly wondering if they are going to somehow canonize Starkiller through this show like maybe Vader hid him as an inquisitor to protect him and marrok is just a weird pronunciation quirk for marrik. It wiuld also explain why he is the only inquisitor left in the entire galaxy because of his training.
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    I think I’d be fine with the show if the dialogue were better written. That is all.
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    bman123 wrote: »
    I’m honestly wondering if they are going to somehow canonize Starkiller through this show like maybe Vader hid him as an inquisitor to protect him and marrok is just a weird pronunciation quirk for marrik. It wiuld also explain why he is the only inquisitor left in the entire galaxy because of his training.

    Safe to say the Inquisitor we're seeing is wearing a mask specifically for a big reveal later on. Starkiller would be cool but he went to the light so it'd take some quality explaining how/why he went bad again let alone how hes alive.

    Ezra being the Inquisitor (as many people are speculating) may be a bridge too far for me with current Star Wars. I can think of about 54 gigantic plot holes this creates and I, sadly, have no faith the writers will have the ability to flesh such a monumental change out effectively.

    I can certainly handle direction changes but the big issue with the last few years of SW (IMO) is there are serious changes to lore, characters, and the rules of the world without exposition. I'm waiting for Luke Skywalker to show up with 2 blasters, a jetpack and no lightsabers because Mando is cool so why not make Luke cool too? That change requires exploring and the recent SW has shown an inability to flesh out story components. I'm really really really hoping Thrawn is different and we will know soon enough...
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    I would love an explanation to how Ezra returned and Thrawn didnt and how Ezra turned to the dark side.
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    bman123 wrote: »
    I’m honestly wondering if they are going to somehow canonize Starkiller through this show like maybe Vader hid him as an inquisitor to protect him and marrok is just a weird pronunciation quirk for marrik. It wiuld also explain why he is the only inquisitor left in the entire galaxy because of his training.

    Safe to say the Inquisitor we're seeing is wearing a mask specifically for a big reveal later on. Starkiller would be cool but he went to the light so it'd take some quality explaining how/why he went bad again let alone how hes alive.

    Ezra being the Inquisitor (as many people are speculating) may be a bridge too far for me with current Star Wars. I can think of about 54 gigantic plot holes this creates and I, sadly, have no faith the writers will have the ability to flesh such a monumental change out effectively.

    I can certainly handle direction changes but the big issue with the last few years of SW (IMO) is there are serious changes to lore, characters, and the rules of the world without exposition. I'm waiting for Luke Skywalker to show up with 2 blasters, a jetpack and no lightsabers because Mando is cool so why not make Luke cool too? That change requires exploring and the recent SW has shown an inability to flesh out story components. I'm really really really hoping Thrawn is different and we will know soon enough...
    Maybe this could be his good origin Story, like he never had the chance to be good in cannon and Ahsoka will redeem him to the light, adding yet another powerful force user to Rey's new Jedi order. OR, they cab explain it away as an offshoot of the bad timeline in FU II where Vader had finally perfected the cloning process. The only other explanation that would be huge and a good fit for Ahsoka's backstory if they somehow say that they are Barris Offie, but IDK how they could do that TBJ

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    I also am wondering if Captain Drogan might somehow appear in the Ahsoka series and that is why CG is holding his Kit announcement?
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    Screerider wrote: »
    I think I’d be fine with the show if the dialogue were better written. That is all.
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Yea, I mean, it wasn't all that bad..... Unlike most SW fans, I am not willing to write a whole series off over a few flaws.... But man, that felt really weird to me... I was like "SAY SOMETHING!"

    i think the camera stays on the actors for too long as well

    Its like they don't have a line but they have to do something since the camera doesn't move away so it feels off-putting

    It could also be an acting issue since Baelon (sp?) doesn't feel off at all when he's standing in camera
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    And if a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump its butt if it hopped.
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    Sure, it has flaws. Some of the acting is distracting.
    But I didn’t over think the whole starmap thing. They know where the location is now so the hunt thing is over.

    Maybe I am just so starved for new content that I’ve enjoyed it so far and I’m looking forward to the rest
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    > if this wasn't star wars, we wouldn't waste another thought on it.

    @shlominus
    If this wasn't Star Wars, then the characters wouldn't have a past, and then most of these problems go away.

    A huge part of the problem is that the writers are treating Ahsoka as if there's no need to make it work with Rebels and other things. Ahsoka being an aloof master isn't bad. What's bad is that she was anything BUT aloof her whole life. Even when given command of large numbers of troopers, she didn't allow her rank to distance herself from them. The problem here is that the current series doesn't match the lore at all, this Ahsoka isn't at all like previous Ahsokas, and that kills the experience for many of us.

    But no, if this wasn't Star Wars, you wouldn't laugh it off. You'd wonder where this new world is going. Or, well, I don't know about you personally, but the general "you" which you used to tell me how I would react if this show wasn't Star Wars, that general "you" wouldn't laugh off the show.

    There are lots of reasons to watch. It drives me batty, though, when they seem determined to alienate the fans that follow the franchise.

    Haven't you noticed that Andor was great, but it didn't have any lore getting in the way? This was prequel for Cassian, not sequel, so we couldn't expect that he would be the same as he was the last time we saw him. Mandalorian, too, was exciting to people ... but it had no backstory for either Din or Grogu to get wrong.

    Ahsoka feels bad ***because*** it's Star Wars. Not being set in the SW universe with SW characters wouldn't kill the show. Frankly, it probably could have saved it.
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    Just like they do in so many sci-fi shows, they’re probably going to bring these characters to modern Earth. So cliche.
  • Sembred
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    At this point, i wouldn't be surprised to find out Dooku survived.... lol

    Somehow Count Dooku returned!

    <Pan in on Count Dooku having a pumpkin for a head>
    Come on, folks. She clearly got stabbed to the side of her kidney. And the heat from the lightsaber would instantly cauterise the wound, which is why she didn't bleed. That being said, she would have an extra hole unless it got patched up. Given the angle of the thrust, I suppose you could attach lenses to either end and turn her into a human telescope.
    Sounds like you aren't much into anatomy, but assume you know what would kill and what wouldn't.
    You have 2 kidneys, one on each side, and yes she prolly lost one there which is surviveable.

    She got stabbed on the right side in the in the middle point of her bottom rib / chest. From what I can see on pictures.

    Given I'm not a doctor, I do work at a hospital though.

    Her liver is gone, gall bladder/pancreas etc. mostl likely aswell, parts of the intenstines are hit aswell while other parts burned, her lung tissue should have taken some damage aswell and the heat would most deffinately puncture a lunge.

    With or without the force protecting her, she would have lost too many vitals and would die. If the technology is at a point where they in a short amount of time can re-establish her organs, she might be able to survive, but time is a huge factor. But as someone mentioned, if they can do that, not pulling it out sideways is way too dumb.
  • Sembred
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    In my opinion the show is borring.

    First lightsaber fight terrible, second mediocre.
    Plot is a copy paste.
    Sabine and Ahsoka is not likeable in this itteration.

    I didn't expect much going in, but still a bit dissappointed... But I guess yay girl power?
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    i would say the first lightsaber fight was better than the second. sabine had no idea what she was doing. also, she needs her own lightsaber. JUST KIDDING. She needs a jet pack, a helmet, twin pistols, a flamethrower and a knife. in the words of the great captain rex, “i’m no jedi”
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    if this wasn't star wars, we wouldn't waste another thought on it.

    this has been a great misunderstanding. :)

    i agree totally. what i meant to say what that we only care (despite the problems) because star wars has so much history and we as fans care so much about it. if it was anything else we would not care because of all the problems (some of which you mention again, quite correctly).

    the worst part about the weird shift in character is that ashoka is filoni's main character. he loves her, some might say, a bit too much. it makes no sense to me.


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    Thoughts on episode 3?
    Seems like build up but it better amount to something. i can’t stand that build up to the next build up.
  • LordDirt
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    Episode 3

    Episode was entertaining enough but had some weird moments and it didnt push the story much.

    Typical stereotypical blind sword training
    Why do some ships take dozens and dozens of hits and take no damage and yet some take one hit and explode?
    Why not fly above the ring where they cant aim instead of flying right at its guns?
    Ahsoka put on her space suit instantaneously and then the fighting in space

    Interested in the Inquisitor and if they make them someone we know
    Love Baylan Skoll but he is barely used

    Hate how each episode is getting shorter and shorter. 56m to 44m to 36minutes
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  • Sloth243
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    LordDirt wrote: »
    Hate how each episode is getting shorter and shorter. 56m to 44m to 36minutes

    This bothers me as well.

    And the line “I can’t see, how am I supposed to fight” is a little too on the nose.

    Definitely a build up episode. Still left me wanting more, so I guess that’s a good thing
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