Why is Captain Drogan in a GL Squad?

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Cynyc
150 posts Member
edited September 9
Having difficulty understanding why this character is written as “a core component of the GL Leia squad”.

GL Leia would easily have dozens of options that would make more sense than a character that never existed until a few weeks ago.

Nothing wrong with creating characters and adding to the universe, even though Drogan’s “story” is lacking, to say the least. I think he’d make a great lifter or leader of a separate rebels squad, but a core member of a GL Leia squad? I simply think there are too many characters that have existed for much, much longer than Drogan who deserve that seat.
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  • Is this why the initial Drogan thread became TL;DR? Because I didn't read it
  • Cynyc wrote: »
    Was this really worth a new thread? You’ve already contributed to a thread about exactly this.

    Yep, I think the OP in that thread had a very fair take, and the thread quickly devolved into irrelevant tangents thanks to some trolls, and then the thread was closed as a result.

    I think CG has made a very poor decision and I’m creating a thread to voice my opinion.

    The *only* point I care about is whether Drogon deserves a seat at the GL table. To me, he does not.
    Fair play. My opinion is I don’t care. And his name is Drogan.
  • Well, I generally avoid commenting on threads if I don’t care about them :)

    I like “Drogon” better. “Drogan” reads like someone in the room just said “hey let’s re-arrange the “o” and the “a” in “dragon” (I’m half-joking because I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if this was how the name was conceived)

    Anywho, I did edit the post. Thanks for the correction!
  • Yeah i dont know. With the exception of JMK, there is no GL which top meta squad has neither a filler unit or a unit that doesnt fit in terms of story. Kinda sketchy to complain now.
  • I_JnK_I wrote: »
    Yeah i dont know. With the exception of JMK, there is no GL which top meta squad has neither a filler unit or a unit that doesnt fit in terms of story. Kinda sketchy to complain now.

    I can’t rightfully complain about a character before the character exists, so unfortunately I don’t know how to change the timing of this complaint.


    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Never run SLKR with FOST or FOO?..... SEE with God knows what for filler material?....

    I'd much rather they create a "generic" type character we can use to bolster the squad (especially when it's one of the requirements) than have to break up existing teams...

    I think you’re just referencing bad design to justify more bad design.
  • BubbaFett wrote: »
    Cynyc wrote: »
    I_JnK_I wrote: »
    Yeah i dont know. With the exception of JMK, there is no GL which top meta squad has neither a filler unit or a unit that doesnt fit in terms of story. Kinda sketchy to complain now.

    I can’t rightfully complain about a character before the character exists, so unfortunately I don’t know how to change the timing of this complaint.


    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Never run SLKR with FOST or FOO?..... SEE with God knows what for filler material?....

    I'd much rather they create a "generic" type character we can use to bolster the squad (especially when it's one of the requirements) than have to break up existing teams...

    I think you’re just referencing bad design to justify more bad design.

    So you would prefer getting a GL necessitates that you breakup a bunch of other squads?... To me, that would be really bad design....

    Personally, I think you don't like this character and you have obvious issues letting go and accepting it....

    No, I would not like any prior squads to be broken up. I don’t believe I said that anywhere in my writing and I’ve no idea how you inferred that.

    They have several rebel characters that are outside the meta, and they could always introduce a different iteration of a familiar character. There are many, many good options before we get to inventing new characters.

    You are welcome to your own inferences, however incorrect they may be. I don’t like or dislike this character any more than I like or dislike any other character. I simply don’t believe he deserves a seat at the GL table. I would have the same complaint about many characters currently in the game.
  • scuba wrote: »
    Simple...Money.
    Marquee to make people panic farm right at the end.
    The other arguments about him/it are just dumb.

    Agreed 100%. I’m trying to make a point of distancing myself from many of the complaints that I’m sure most people have read about this character.

    I don’t care about anything other than:
    1) he’s a **named** character who was given an incredibly lazy backstory
    2) He’s taking the spot away from people we know.

    This is a role-playing game, after all. I know we’re on the holo tables and that does introduce the potential for a lot of odd quirks, but generally speaking, I like it best when everyone on the squad shares the same faction tag and they’re all people I recognize from other facets of the Star Wars universe.

    This is completely irrespective of the meta. The game is a role playing game before it is a “gac meta” game. I wish people would stop justifying breaches in the former as a result of the latter.
  • Cynyc wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Cynyc wrote: »
    I_JnK_I wrote: »
    Yeah i dont know. With the exception of JMK, there is no GL which top meta squad has neither a filler unit or a unit that doesnt fit in terms of story. Kinda sketchy to complain now.

    I can’t rightfully complain about a character before the character exists, so unfortunately I don’t know how to change the timing of this complaint.


    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Never run SLKR with FOST or FOO?..... SEE with God knows what for filler material?....

    I'd much rather they create a "generic" type character we can use to bolster the squad (especially when it's one of the requirements) than have to break up existing teams...

    I think you’re just referencing bad design to justify more bad design.

    So you would prefer getting a GL necessitates that you breakup a bunch of other squads?... To me, that would be really bad design....

    Personally, I think you don't like this character and you have obvious issues letting go and accepting it....


    They have several rebel characters that are outside the meta, and they could always introduce a different iteration of a familiar character. There are many, many good options before we get to inventing new characters.

    You are welcome to your own inferences, however incorrect they may be. I don’t like or dislike this character any more than I like or dislike any other character. I simply don’t believe he deserves a seat at the GL table. I would have the same complaint about many characters currently in the game.

    I just don't understand this "GL table seat" you speak of.....

    As I mentioned earlier, SLKR gets used with several generic characters such as FOO, Fost and ST.... Drogan is just a rebel trooper that they happened to give a name to... If they called him "Endor Trooper" would you still take issue with that? I mean, that is essentially what he is no?

    This game rarely follows "lore" when building teams, A tyical JML squad has two Lukes on it.... a Typical JMK squad has two Kenobis on it..... Many LV squads have two Vaders on them.... I think this is a much better design, much like I think Jabba was a much better design.... YMMV
  • scuba
    13573 posts Member
    edited September 9
    You are currently complaining that Captain rebel is core part of GL Leia squad because CG said so.
    The same CG that said Leviathan will be meta defining or whatever people are crying about in the other threads.

    Do you "people" never learn?
    Don't believe the hype, and all this non sense can just go away.
  • scuba wrote: »
    You are currently complaining that Captain rebel is core part of GL Leia squad because CG said so.
    The same CG that said Leviathan will be meta defining or whatever people are crying about in the other threads.

    Do you "people" never learn?
    Don't believe the hype, and all this non sense can just go away.

    Well, when the developer tells me “Drogan will be a necessary component in the GL leia squad”, I’m inclined to believe “Drogan will be a necessary component in the GL Leia squad.”

    If this is an incorrect position to take, uh… sorry, I guess?
  • TVF
    35624 posts Member
    scuba wrote: »
    Simple...Money.
    Marquee to make people panic farm right at the end.
    That has nothing to do with him being in the squad.
    I need a new message here. https://discord.gg/AmStGTH
  • Cynyc wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Cynyc wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Cynyc wrote: »
    I_JnK_I wrote: »
    Yeah i dont know. With the exception of JMK, there is no GL which top meta squad has neither a filler unit or a unit that doesnt fit in terms of story. Kinda sketchy to complain now.

    I can’t rightfully complain about a character before the character exists, so unfortunately I don’t know how to change the timing of this complaint.


    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Never run SLKR with FOST or FOO?..... SEE with God knows what for filler material?....

    I'd much rather they create a "generic" type character we can use to bolster the squad (especially when it's one of the requirements) than have to break up existing teams...

    I think you’re just referencing bad design to justify more bad design.

    So you would prefer getting a GL necessitates that you breakup a bunch of other squads?... To me, that would be really bad design....

    Personally, I think you don't like this character and you have obvious issues letting go and accepting it....


    They have several rebel characters that are outside the meta, and they could always introduce a different iteration of a familiar character. There are many, many good options before we get to inventing new characters.

    You are welcome to your own inferences, however incorrect they may be. I don’t like or dislike this character any more than I like or dislike any other character. I simply don’t believe he deserves a seat at the GL table. I would have the same complaint about many characters currently in the game.

    I just don't understand this "GL table seat" you speak of.....

    As I mentioned earlier, SLKR gets used with several generic characters such as FOO, Fost and ST.... Drogan is just a rebel trooper that they happened to give a name to... If they called him "Endor Trooper" would you still take issue with that? I mean, that is essentially what he is no?

    This game rarely follows "lore" when building teams, A tyical JML squad has two Lukes on it.... a Typical JMK squad has two Kenobis on it..... Many LV squads have two Vaders on them.... I think this is a much better design, much like I think Jabba was a much better design.... YMMV

    Well, if they called him a generic name, I think that’d be fine. But if they tell me “this character existed at this time and was a key player in this war”, and then I watch the movie that occurs at that time and place but I don’t see some character on screen flinging a flamethrower around, I’m inclined to say “I don’t believe you”.

    There were first order officers and troopers. I saw them on the screen. I read about them. When I see them in game, the recognition clicks.

    This does not occur with Drogan because he never existed until someone changed the lore and said a guy was walking around Endor with a flamethrower. (I’m really just bringing up the flamethrower as a joke. It’s not that big a deal)

    I don’t see the relationship between this thread and the fact that more than one iteration of a character may exist on any given squad. I haven’t complained about that at all. I’m complaining cause I really, really like the OT and there are plenty characters in it that could easily fill a GL Leia squad.

    They’ve hooked me with GL Leia. I want to acquire her because I really like her character. I want to put characters I really like alongside her.

    Drogan is not one of those characters because I never saw him with Leia on screen. He is not a character that ever existed. As a result, I’m not excited to acquire him or put him on a GL Leia squad.

    I want to be excited about characters. When I’m not, I come here to express my opinion.

    I really have no idea why that can lead to such angry responses from a select few individuals


    Different people like different things.... You use the words "I" or "me" or some derivitive thereof in your above post 24 times.... We get it, you don't like the character... There was no need to create another thread to say that, you already expressed it in the previous one...

    This isn't a role playing game, nor does it strictly follow lore and never has....
  • scuba
    13573 posts Member
    Cynyc wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    You are currently complaining that Captain rebel is core part of GL Leia squad because CG said so.
    The same CG that said Leviathan will be meta defining or whatever people are crying about in the other threads.

    Do you "people" never learn?
    Don't believe the hype, and all this non sense can just go away.

    Well, when the developer tells me “Drogan will be a necessary component in the GL leia squad”, I’m inclined to believe “Drogan will be a necessary component in the GL Leia squad.”

    If this is an incorrect position to take, uh… sorry, I guess?

    Statement stands.
    You won't know how he/it/they perform until released, and used by the players.
    Just because CG says something is greatest since whenever doesn't make it so. Proof is all over the forum.
    You are correct, it is your right to believe everything they spout.
  • scuba
    13573 posts Member
    TVF wrote: »
    scuba wrote: »
    Simple...Money.
    Marquee to make people panic farm right at the end.
    That has nothing to do with him being in the squad.

    Yeah I misread it first.
  • BubbaFett wrote: »
    Cynyc wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Cynyc wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Cynyc wrote: »
    I_JnK_I wrote: »
    Yeah i dont know. With the exception of JMK, there is no GL which top meta squad has neither a filler unit or a unit that doesnt fit in terms of story. Kinda sketchy to complain now.

    I can’t rightfully complain about a character before the character exists, so unfortunately I don’t know how to change the timing of this complaint.


    BubbaFett wrote: »
    Never run SLKR with FOST or FOO?..... SEE with God knows what for filler material?....

    I'd much rather they create a "generic" type character we can use to bolster the squad (especially when it's one of the requirements) than have to break up existing teams...

    I think you’re just referencing bad design to justify more bad design.

    So you would prefer getting a GL necessitates that you breakup a bunch of other squads?... To me, that would be really bad design....

    Personally, I think you don't like this character and you have obvious issues letting go and accepting it....


    They have several rebel characters that are outside the meta, and they could always introduce a different iteration of a familiar character. There are many, many good options before we get to inventing new characters.

    You are welcome to your own inferences, however incorrect they may be. I don’t like or dislike this character any more than I like or dislike any other character. I simply don’t believe he deserves a seat at the GL table. I would have the same complaint about many characters currently in the game.

    I just don't understand this "GL table seat" you speak of.....

    As I mentioned earlier, SLKR gets used with several generic characters such as FOO, Fost and ST.... Drogan is just a rebel trooper that they happened to give a name to... If they called him "Endor Trooper" would you still take issue with that? I mean, that is essentially what he is no?

    This game rarely follows "lore" when building teams, A tyical JML squad has two Lukes on it.... a Typical JMK squad has two Kenobis on it..... Many LV squads have two Vaders on them.... I think this is a much better design, much like I think Jabba was a much better design.... YMMV

    Well, if they called him a generic name, I think that’d be fine. But if they tell me “this character existed at this time and was a key player in this war”, and then I watch the movie that occurs at that time and place but I don’t see some character on screen flinging a flamethrower around, I’m inclined to say “I don’t believe you”.

    There were first order officers and troopers. I saw them on the screen. I read about them. When I see them in game, the recognition clicks.

    This does not occur with Drogan because he never existed until someone changed the lore and said a guy was walking around Endor with a flamethrower. (I’m really just bringing up the flamethrower as a joke. It’s not that big a deal)

    I don’t see the relationship between this thread and the fact that more than one iteration of a character may exist on any given squad. I haven’t complained about that at all. I’m complaining cause I really, really like the OT and there are plenty characters in it that could easily fill a GL Leia squad.

    They’ve hooked me with GL Leia. I want to acquire her because I really like her character. I want to put characters I really like alongside her.

    Drogan is not one of those characters because I never saw him with Leia on screen. He is not a character that ever existed. As a result, I’m not excited to acquire him or put him on a GL Leia squad.

    I want to be excited about characters. When I’m not, I come here to express my opinion.

    I really have no idea why that can lead to such angry responses from a select few individuals


    Different people like different things.... You use the words "I" or "me" or some derivitive thereof in your above post 24 times.... We get it, you don't like the character... There was no need to create another thread to say that, you already expressed it in the previous one...

    This isn't a role playing game, nor does it strictly follow lore and never has....

    Yes, I use words like “I” and “me” because I’m expressing my opinion on a public forum. Is there a point here I’m missing?

    There was no need to create the thread and there was no need for you to reply to it. Alas, here we find ourselves. I created the thread because I wanted to voice my opinion on page 1, comment 1.

    It is a role-playing game. This point isn’t up for debate. It’s a role-playing game. That’s a fact, lol
  • Ultra
    11113 posts Moderator
    Cynyc wrote: »
    The *only* point I care about is whether Drogon deserves a seat at the GL table. To me, he does not.
    Cynyc wrote: »
    Well, I generally avoid commenting on threads if I don’t care about them :)

    I like “Drogon” better. “Drogan” reads like someone in the room just said “hey let’s re-arrange the “o” and the “a” in “dragon” (I’m half-joking because I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if this was how the name was conceived)
    Cynyc wrote: »
    You are welcome to your own inferences, however incorrect they may be. I don’t like or dislike this character any more than I like or dislike any other character. I simply don’t believe he deserves a seat at the GL table. I would have the same complaint about many characters currently in the game.
    A lot to unpack here but it mostly stems from a case of "I am a main character of my own life and everything should cater around to me" syndrome

    Even his name should cater to your preferences!

    Its fine to disagree that he shouldn't be in a Galactic Legends team, but to cause so much commotion is silly, a Galactic Legend team consists of every unit in that faction, Drogan is one of the numerous rebels that are in this game, so it makes sense he goes well with Leia

    You did mention you would prefer Drogan being some random instead, and that you have no connection or any excitement towards him so just regard him as a nameless rebel soldier what's the difference?
    Cynyc wrote: »
    Well, if they called him a generic name, I think that’d be fine. But if they tell me “this character existed at this time and was a key player in this war”, and then I watch the movie that occurs at that time and place but I don’t see some character on screen flinging a flamethrower around, I’m inclined to say “I don’t believe you”.

    There were first order officers and troopers. I saw them on the screen. I read about them. When I see them in game, the recognition clicks.

    Drogan is not one of those characters because I never saw him with Leia on screen. He is not a character that ever existed. As a result, I’m not excited to acquire him or put him on a GL Leia squad.
    I really don't understand your complaint here

    Starkiller never existed as Vader's apprentice until he did

    Ahsoka never existed as Anakin's apprentice until she did

    They weren't in movies, lots of star wars characters are only created in comic books or novels too like Dr Aphra or whatever

    how is this any different?
    there are over 200 characters in this game, we all gear toons we aren't excited about, and I'm sure there is plenty in your roster you don't care about but are needed because of the meta and you did so what's the big deal of having another?

    Also, as far as i know he was never advertised as a key player in the war
  • scuba
    13573 posts Member
    edited September 9
    Fact: Drogan a R7 is required to obtain GL Leia

    I hope he is required to Make GL Leia team go zoom zoom and kaboom on other teams. Means one less unit to chase later since you already have him.
  • Cynyc wrote: »
    Was this really worth a new thread? You’ve already contributed to a thread about exactly this.

    Yep, I think the OP in that thread had a very fair take, and the thread quickly devolved into irrelevant tangents thanks to some trolls, and then the thread was closed as a result.

    I think CG has made a very poor decision and I’m creating a thread to voice my opinion.

    The *only* point I care about is whether Drogon deserves a seat at the GL table. To me, he does not.

    I mean, everyone in the whole Star Wars universe is made up. Tarfful is made up by someone writing Clone Wars. Do you have problems with Tarfful being a core member of the Jabba team?

    What, is SWGOH some sort of second class citizen in the Star Wars franchise? Are characters introduced into canon by SWGOH somehow inferior?
  • Cynyc wrote: »
    Was this really worth a new thread? You’ve already contributed to a thread about exactly this.

    Yep, I think the OP in that thread had a very fair take, and the thread quickly devolved into irrelevant tangents thanks to some trolls, and then the thread was closed as a result.

    I think CG has made a very poor decision and I’m creating a thread to voice my opinion.

    The *only* point I care about is whether Drogon deserves a seat at the GL table. To me, he does not.

    I mean, everyone in the whole Star Wars universe is made up. Tarfful is made up by someone writing Clone Wars. Do you have problems with Tarfful being a core member of the Jabba team?

    What, is SWGOH some sort of second class citizen in the Star Wars franchise? Are characters introduced into canon by SWGOH somehow inferior?

    Those are referred to as “leading questions”.

    If you’d like to frame your questions in a more reasonable way, I’d be happy to answer them.
  • Honestly I didn’t realize people felt so passionately about this, lol.

    I’ve definitely lost a grip on this thread but all I really wanted to say was “The OT is my favorite and Leia is one of my favorite characters. I’m a bit disappointed that a key member of her squad is someone I never saw with her on screen.”

    At the end of the day, it’s fine. Like I said I’m just a paying customer and I wanted to express a simple opinion on the forums.

    I really had no idea it would lead to some of the vitriol I’ve seen here.
  • Cynyc wrote: »
    Cynyc wrote: »
    Was this really worth a new thread? You’ve already contributed to a thread about exactly this.

    Yep, I think the OP in that thread had a very fair take, and the thread quickly devolved into irrelevant tangents thanks to some trolls, and then the thread was closed as a result.

    I think CG has made a very poor decision and I’m creating a thread to voice my opinion.

    The *only* point I care about is whether Drogon deserves a seat at the GL table. To me, he does not.

    I mean, everyone in the whole Star Wars universe is made up. Tarfful is made up by someone writing Clone Wars. Do you have problems with Tarfful being a core member of the Jabba team?

    What, is SWGOH some sort of second class citizen in the Star Wars franchise? Are characters introduced into canon by SWGOH somehow inferior?

    Those are referred to as “leading questions”.

    If you’d like to frame your questions in a more reasonable way, I’d be happy to answer them.

    It was a genuine question (and a fairly straightforward one tbh), because how my argument goes next depends on your answer: do you have problems with Tarfful being a core member of the Jabba team?

    Yes, the rest two were rhetorical.
  • …Tarrful is a core member of the Jabba team?
    Cynyc wrote: »
    Cynyc wrote: »
    Was this really worth a new thread? You’ve already contributed to a thread about exactly this.

    Yep, I think the OP in that thread had a very fair take, and the thread quickly devolved into irrelevant tangents thanks to some trolls, and then the thread was closed as a result.

    I think CG has made a very poor decision and I’m creating a thread to voice my opinion.

    The *only* point I care about is whether Drogon deserves a seat at the GL table. To me, he does not.

    I mean, everyone in the whole Star Wars universe is made up. Tarfful is made up by someone writing Clone Wars. Do you have problems with Tarfful being a core member of the Jabba team?

    What, is SWGOH some sort of second class citizen in the Star Wars franchise? Are characters introduced into canon by SWGOH somehow inferior?

    Those are referred to as “leading questions”.

    If you’d like to frame your questions in a more reasonable way, I’d be happy to answer them.

    It was a genuine question (and a fairly straightforward one tbh), because how my argument goes next depends on your answer: do you have problems with Tarfful being a core member of the Jabba team?

    Yes, the rest two were rhetorical.

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