Can you beat an Omega Fives without a stunner?
So I've been playing against a bunch of 76+ max Fives with Omega level 8 dual blasters. I've gotten 4v1'd multiple times. The only times I've been able to beat him have been with RG or Dooku getting stuns or once I was able to beat him when I had a Yoda/Lumi/GS combo all at least 50% health and Yoda with tenacity up ready when I engaged him. Pretty sure I had Lumi as lead there so I had a high evasion.
I'm curious if anyone is beating him regularly without a stun toon. I think maybe Rey might manage it with her foresight limiting his counter to a single shot. But Yoda and Lumi are a detriment to my team against everyone else on a top-tier so it's rare when I have brought them (3 or 4 fights) that both of them are still alive to engage Fives. The teams I see regularly beating Fives teams usually include 3 stunners (Dooku+RG+Daka) which makes sense since you need one of them alive for Fives.
So does anyone regularly beat him w/o a stunner? I've also tried working him down early/mid battle and every single attempt has been met with disaster. My Daka is only 5* lvl 65 and I can't hamstring a team with her.
I'm curious if anyone is beating him regularly without a stun toon. I think maybe Rey might manage it with her foresight limiting his counter to a single shot. But Yoda and Lumi are a detriment to my team against everyone else on a top-tier so it's rare when I have brought them (3 or 4 fights) that both of them are still alive to engage Fives. The teams I see regularly beating Fives teams usually include 3 stunners (Dooku+RG+Daka) which makes sense since you need one of them alive for Fives.
So does anyone regularly beat him w/o a stunner? I've also tried working him down early/mid battle and every single attempt has been met with disaster. My Daka is only 5* lvl 65 and I can't hamstring a team with her.
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I'm just honestly curious how people are approaching him. The only way I've managed is the rare Yoda/Lumi combo and with RG. Even Dooku is relatively ineffective since when he misses on one stun he's usually dead.
I don't think he'll go to "meh" anytime soon. I mean I'm at 77 with two Omega toons and still get rekt but neither is really helpful against Fives kit. I just think he'll force more people to run Dooku/RG/Daka whenever they face him.
I even tried using Yoda as lead with a bunch of Jedi and RG. That lasted right up to the point where I watched Daka get three consecutive stuns on Yoda. Pretty sure either his 25% tenacity boost is bugged or having 65% tenacity is really not that different than 40% (or even worse it's not additive and is just giving 25% of 40% so 50%). Nothing like having Tenacity up ready for Yoda and not getting to fire it because he's stun locked.
Hit him with assist attacks. He will only counter the original attacker and the assisting character attacks with no harm.
Savage can take him out 1v1 with his attack down and own def up, and turn meter gain when he gets countered.
Attack him when you have a tank with taunt and they will absorb all his counters. ST Han can give your whole squad free turns if you attack 5's while his taunt is up.
5's has so many ways to be rendered ineffective by a strategic player that he is almost a waste to put in your squad... But with no strategy he is a noob destroyer
I use Phasma (L), Poggle (Gear IX), Daka, Yoda and Asokha.
I clearly leave him for last (and Duku before him), but between Daka, Yoda foresight spread to everybody and Asokha heal I'm usually able to survive his final resistance!
If you're able to kill him with 2 assist callers then feel free to post a video. I'm pretty sure you can not. It might be possible if you have an assist caller with Rey but she's one of a handful of characters I'm willing to concede work as counters to Fives.
Savage sounds like another. However I have yet to see a Savage vs. Fives 1v1. I'm sure people are doing it, particularly Savage with Omega on his basic, but I'd like to see it.
The tank bit is only moderately effective. Most of the time though you're conceding your tank to kill Fives. Which if it's end game you likely no longer have a tank. If it's early enough that your Han or RG is active then you're effectively trading tanks while they also do damage to your attackers (and you're only damaging Fives). Whenever I've attempted that it has resulted in a loss. ST Han with an Akbar lead might be effective at it. If I ever catch a 76 Fives in GW I plan on testing that out. But it only seems to take Fives ~3 or 4 counter turns with double attacks+bonus damage to destroy a Han. Plus speeding up attacks that you then use to gift the other team with counter attacks seems less than effective.
But thanks for saying that Fives is a noob killer and that's it. Considering I've tried 20 or 30 different combinations attacking him with droids, Jedi, Dooku, etc. and have only found stunners to be reliable at it I'm sure you've got some videos or something proving how easy he is to kill.
That's exactly what I do. Stealth toons are the best counter against counter attackers because then you don't rely on the RNG making your stun land.
+1 I, however, still run 5s because I love him on offense and he still does some help on defense especially another 40K to chew through before someone can target my Leia
That is good, cause havent been seeing any of those lineups lately.....sigh....Variety added....
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No Leia but I've got a Teebo that is sitting at 5*/lvl 45 but with 185 shards banked so I could just sink a few million credits in him and run him lead. I was going to use him for S&Gs in arena and for the raid but have been backlogged. Maybe I'll give him a shot.
With Leia it would take at least 4-5 turns, right? So she would need to be alive and invisible for ~6 turns. That seems pretty doable as long as you have Han or RG guarding her.
I have a nearly maxed Ewoks squad but have never used Teebo outside of it. Have faced Teebo leads though and its a pain. And the stealth hits really often so you shouldn't have a problem with a toon not being stealth and getting countered.
My Leia has her special maxed so she doesn't get unstealthed unless I want to or forget to use her special every third turn. She is gear 9 now and takes 3-4 turns to take him down depending on RNG. Dooku can be dropped in 1 turn though and if not he also doesn't counter
It seems like people are forgetting that Fives is not the only character on the opponent's team. Fives is tough because you typically want to get rid of other threats like Rey, Leia, QGJ, GS. Facing a team with STH, RG, Fives, Rey, and GS is beyond annoying. You need to run 2 debuffs if you want to hit any non-tanks, and lord save if you you cannot debuff STH. The problem with Fives is he is usually the last character standing (and often simply because you couldn't target him). When your counters to him are dead, he can defeat your remaining guys alone.
Also keep in mind that not everyone has access to Leia, who is an exclusive P2P toon. Fives, on the other hand, is easily farmable and quick to gear.
Im confused which person died to make it a 4v1? Daka or QGJ?
BTW, all you need is STH to kill Fives, or run a full NS team cause Fives against an NS or any team with ST Han can kill any counterattack character.
I made a post earlier about how easy it is to kill counter characters with Han you just should have 2 healers to do it. I use Daka and Talia. Hit ST Hans taunt after you killed their debuffer, then attack the counterattack character. He will be dead, probably, before anyone on their team even gets a turn again, if done right.
thanks!
Meh. I run some relatively stupid leads. I probably use IG-88 more than anybody in my shard as well as Poggle because sometimes I just want to do damage. I've messed around with Yoda as lead and a few others like Luminara or a 4* Old Ben. As long as I don't leave up random comps overnight I'm usually able to get back in with plenty of room to move back to the top 5. Plus it's nice to give my shard mates somebody different to fight. It's too bad they don't limit how often you can get attacked in a day because the risk of going outside the meta is pretty huge because people will attack you just for a taste of something different even if your team is arguably just as hard to beat as a meta team.
Since protection+level cap I haven't been able to do quite as much of it as I like. Dooku/RG combo is just way too important on defense and having a debuffer like QGJ is pretty much a must have on offense.
Omega Material are the new golden colored material you use to level your skills past level 7, they are available to everyone but not super easy to get like the other mats. They ran an even not to long ago that gave these out as a reward for completion.
(1) Leia (omega stealth) + tank
(2) Savage
(3) Multiple assists
(4) Daka/RG stuns
(5) Yoda (foresight and tenacity)
(6) Rey (gear 9, omega basic) + tank
If you run droids, nightsisters, or a weak Dooku, Fives is going to wreck you. I don't have a problem with StHan, because I also run QGJ and he dispels the buff fairly reliably. Fives is good, but he's primarily a match-up nightmare for some teams, not generally OP.
Sorry your post needs a correction, Nightsister teams wreck Fives almost like he doesn't exist. Just ran against in Omega fives with my NS team in the top 10, guess who won?? Yep my NS team. Sorry but your omega fives is easy to counter.
Sorry I really am bugged by ignorance, people who come here to the forums who say NS suck are meta fanboys who don't really have an original thought. If people took the same amount of time to explore this game rather than just sticking with the meta, you all would have more fun and you would find that the meta actually kinda sucks, because none of you really know what the meta is, you all just read the forum and swallow down all the **** people say in here.
If nightsister get so wrecked by your fives why is Daka in your "gives me problems list"?
I thought she was nightsister, and I think that NI hits harder and has way more HP/Prot than Fives does. Asajj Ventress can stun, debuff and self heal, 2 healers and Talia with TM buff. Dude your not very good at this game if you have issues with Fives.
And just an FYI with ST Han Fives might as well not even be on the team, if you play it right then the other team never even goes before hes dead.
Good to hear (seriously, because I hate all the complaining about Fives). I'm used to playing NS on offense, obviously, where the AI mismanages them. Also, I always eliminate Daka first, who really keeps that team together.
I don't agree with noob destroyer but the rest is spot on. @SlyGambit have you tried droids with Daka?
I love 5's but saying he's OP is ridiculous. Look at the "must haves" at the top of the leaderboard: RG, Dooku, QGJ, Daka (in that order) + whatever DPS. Nobody is saying you can't win w/out 5's. He gets more turns and has high HP but he hits for @1700 a pop. Plenty of toons scarier than him.
@dmc97 you lost cause you have no hitters, no assist callers, & no stunner on that squad. Asajj's stun is less reliable than a drunk uncle. We need to stop all the OP talk (unless it's about Dooku
Edit: Just looked at my leader board again & it's starting to show some variance - FINALLY!
Still one thing in common though... They all still have RG, & QGJ. Or is that 2 things
When did D o o k i e get OP?