Time to be homest, the games not balanced.

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  • CronozNL
    2869 posts Member
    @Otar
    Or you have a habit of experiencing bad luck and ranting about it on forum. For me the game is not imbalanced but hey they must have made my coding better compared to yours. Also since you probably know drop rate percentage, I'm curious to know where you found this?
    I mean claiming the game is rigged means you have found the magical droprate!
    So what is it, 10%, 15%, 1%?
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  • wait till you hit that all ewok team with old daka, jeeze talk about pawn
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  • Otar
    252 posts Member
    CronozNL wrote: »
    @Otar
    Or you have a habit of experiencing bad luck and ranting about it on forum. For me the game is not imbalanced but hey they must have made my coding better compared to yours. Also since you probably know drop rate percentage, I'm curious to know where you found this?
    I mean claiming the game is rigged means you have found the magical droprate!
    So what is it, 10%, 15%, 1%?

    You on crack or something? Read again and tell me what part of my comment i said anything about drop rates? Btw, i have 6 topics created, none about bad luck!
  • Plotts wrote: »
    Some of it has to do with how easily a character is farmed. Take the Ewok scount for example. If you are below lvl 50, there is only one level to farm his shards, and you get three tries a day (unless you pay 50 gems for a reset)

    Why would anyone want to farm an Ewok Scout up to 4* or hell, even 7* when in two weeks they can get a 4* Luminara or Sidious, and farm them to 7*?

    Or take another character with only one level for farming, like Old Daka, she has just one level to farm and of course Cantina Battles. She is the best Dark Side healer with solid utility. Why would anyone in their right mind farm a 1* Ewok Scout over a 4* Daka?!

    The game is not balanced for this reason alone.

    What they should do is have 1* and 2* characters' shards drop more often from Bronzium cards, ex: 2-5 at a time vice just 1 measly shard for a Royal Guard.

    They could also overhaul level shards locations and 'drop rates' to help balance out the pool of characters played.

    There are so many bugs in this game (Chromium packs bug being the most egregious) and yet instead of fixes, we see they are releasing an 'increase to lvl 70' update instead. So now, that same pool of high level characters will continue to be farmed and the Ewok Scout will rot on the vine. Sigh.

    This is a very solid argument for the gap new players will have against people near the cap. It would make them build a low tier solid team faster, create diversity and make them feel rewarded for either playing more or spending come cash on something they want.
  • If you want to build a team with low tiered characters, go for it. I mean, there's nothing stopping you, right? If you're unwilling to invest the time needed to build that, it's pretty obvious that you don't even deserve a low tiered one.
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  • Eaywen
    422 posts Member
    Omnirhyze wrote: »
    If you want to build a team with low tiered characters, go for it. I mean, there's nothing stopping you, right? If you're unwilling to invest the time needed to build that, it's pretty obvious that you don't even deserve a low tiered one.

    This is exactly the mindset that's negative for a growing game. Some one made a good suggestion about making weaker non main characters easier to get. When many are much much harder to get then chromium characters! And your reply waste your time if you want there's nothing wrong with Darth maul being more common than stormtrooper. I can 15 war 10 to 15 pvp and 5 to 10 cantina a day of my. Choice. And a single stormtroopers a day. There are 8 billion star 7 sidius in the game and like.. 22 5 star plus stormtroopers but you seem to think that's fine... and people who disagree should be talked down on.
  • Baal
    602 posts Member
    Galaxy of heroes, not galaxy of fodder.

    There really shouldn't be too many stormtroopers...
  • Otar wrote: »
    Lol, if you guys can't see the inbalance of the game, you are 1- blind or 2- stupid. SO MANY INBALANCES IT MAKES MY HEAD SPIN!

    Could you provide a list for us stupid people?
  • Eaywen
    422 posts Member
    Baal wrote: »
    Galaxy of heroes, not galaxy of fodder.

    There really shouldn't be too many stormtroopers...

    Yet there are generic first order pilots, jedi consulors, genosian soldiers, and to a lesser extent jawa all over the place
  • I agree with the OP. The fact that anybody asking about which characters to farm is told Lumi and Sid regardless of what other characters they have or what build they want should tell you that Lumi and Sid are not balanced with other characters.
  • Telaan
    3454 posts Member
    I agree with the OP. The fact that anybody asking about which characters to farm is told Lumi and Sid regardless of what other characters they have or what build they want should tell you that Lumi and Sid are not balanced with other characters.

    ....or they're just farmable and are flexible allowing them to be used in a variety of scenarios. If Old Ben, QGJ, and Leia were farmable you'd see people pushing for them to be farmed as well.
  • Telaan wrote: »
    I agree with the OP. The fact that anybody asking about which characters to farm is told Lumi and Sid regardless of what other characters they have or what build they want should tell you that Lumi and Sid are not balanced with other characters.

    ....or they're just farmable and are flexible allowing them to be used in a variety of scenarios. If Old Ben, QGJ, and Leia were farmable you'd see people pushing for them to be farmed as well.

    This.

    The game is a grind but rewarding for long-term players. After having done Sidious, I have started on lg-88. Will do Poggle asap.

    The rant against imbalances is mostly based on the time it takes, imo. Otherwise I don't see any reason why I would enjoy the game less because so and so characters are being played more when nothing is stopping me to diversify or follow the pack. Heck, I get smashed almost every time I go up against the princess or old Ben or Poggle teams with proper synergies. But I have invested too much into my Sidious/ Phasma/ Lumi team and it'll take time to build up strong counters. Notice the toons I have and also notice that I have serious difficulties against other combos. Is that unbalanced? More popular but invincible? I think not.

  • There are too many bugs in the game to say if it is balanced or not. Asking for massive nerfs is generally just going to make things worse.

    Take Leia for example, she is probably bugged, but she is also very dependent on procing those extra attacks. If she only attacks once she kind of sucks. Also if she attacks someone with counter and they don't die, she will, so the extra attacks can also be bad. In all if she gets nerfed she will be pretty useless, but if they fix the bug of her procing far more than she should she will still have some use.

    The bugs need to get fixed before anyone can even say what balance needs to be done.
  • Plotts
    21 posts Member
    edited January 2016
    Baal wrote: »
    Galaxy of heroes, not galaxy of fodder.

    There really shouldn't be too many stormtroopers...


    They are releasing literally dozens of new heroes and ships. Should they rename the game 'Star Wars: Galaxy of Stuff'

    Also, "There really shouldn't be too many storm troopers'??? Really?! Have you ever seen Star Wars?

    The point is people farm toons that are farmable. Since this game crushes you with all its currencies, bugs, and imbalances, people are going to farm toons they can actually improve at a 'normal' or 'average' rate.

    You cannot farm an Ewok Scout.

    Trust me, I am trying, and spending all my resources on Ewoks. I am not upset about this at all. I am the only Teebo on my server. I am proud of the fact I am not chasing Sid. There are 50 Sids in my top 150. If Ackbar worked properly (again, countless bugs in this game) then he we be a great hard counter to Sidious. Alas, he is a liability past his one removal (especially on auto, ugh). His 'Tactical Genius' is more like 'Tactical Dum Dum' because it will refill the one toon who has a full bar, aaaaaand there goes a turn, wasted.

    So if you are in pvp and your team is on auto which team would you rather have:

    The one that's pain in the bum to farm, and needs nuanced combos (by you, not auto) to be effective

    Or

    The team that does high damage and AoE damage and heal block (on auto), AND it's easily farmable (comparatively speaking)?

    It's a no brainer.

    Until auto-attack AI gets a major rework, people are just going to farm damage, and more specifically, farm toons that work effectively on auto.



  • At the very top level of arena many of your predictions on who is good is still somewhat incorrect. So I wouldn't worry about everyone using the same team because honestly it isn't true, there is a large amount of diversity even inside of team instinct and we discuss meta picks nonstop. I won't say any specifics but you will be very surprised what the meta switches to at level 70...a lot of the characters you think are op will no longer be.
  • At the very top level of arena many of your predictions on who is good is still somewhat incorrect. So I wouldn't worry about everyone using the same team because honestly it isn't true, there is a large amount of diversity even inside of team instinct and we discuss meta picks nonstop. I won't say any specifics but you will be very surprised what the meta switches to at level 70...a lot of the characters you think are op will no longer be.

    True, and I already knew that because I probably read these forums too much. That's why I am just grinding whatever the fudge I want, because I never chase the meta.
  • Song
    863 posts Member
    Eaywen wrote: »
    Kind of tired of the deniers and or fan bois claiming nothing is op or unbalanced in this game. I've played balanced games and In none of them were 80% of the characters not used and in nine of them were 3 of the same characters in everyteam. You can't say there's a balance then as a xommunity constantly telling peeps to use the exact same heros or fall behind. I could give a dozen examples more why the game int but instead let's allow others to pipe in.

    All I want is some honesty, constructive honesty so things can be fixed regardless of who's eploiting what bug or imbalance I'd rather drop 500 ranks in a balance game due to my team being fixed then keep acting like everything's fine.

    Tell me a game that is balance? I dare you..
  • Jsnazz
    349 posts Member
    Eaywen wrote: »
    I've played balanced games and In none of them were 80% of the characters not used and in nine of them were 3 of the same characters in everyteam.
    The only way to fix this is reset our character to default stats every time we join arena. This way, every useless characters suddenly become useful again but who am I kidding? this game milk our money, our lives and our virginity.

  • Midirataj
    121 posts Member
    edited January 2016
    1. 90% of real deal synergies are locked to f2p
    2. To "experiment" and juggle squad you have to be a whale, spending as much as 100€ can only get you anywhere if you go for Kylo Pack. Which just proves a point of no balamce at all. Wanna rock like the whales for "reasonable price", thats the only choice.
    3. A character from scratch to glory 7* is 350 shards. Good luck, if can catch up before meta shifts, especially with heroes available in two battles. Meta shift is not a bad thing by definition,but tbh it's a poor develpoer excuse for the game to be more appealing for the whales, which are the only ones that can keep up with a meta.
    4. All the top 1 f2p, honestly, either you got lucky pulls, or there is not a real competition in your server. I started December 1st. Im for instance one shotted by a 2000 less power phasma+fotp+daka+ren+lumi.
    5. Sid and Lumi are a commodity because the are one of few ways that can help you secure GW, together with JC. If CG makes even simple game mods to feel like a struggle to even get a "reasonable shard income", you will always see this like of diversity. Just tell me about your uber f2p synergy.
    I love Resitance trooper and ewok elder, and farm them every day.
    In a week ( or should I call it - weak) I got 4 shards from 42 battles for the Trooper. Whats that compared to a average 5-10-12,5 shards from GW daily.
    6. This game will never be f2p friendly, beacuse you can't even secure the main shard income from GW for instance. It laughs in the face of your constatly upgraded army.
    7. Also many of the most iconic heroes are chromium exclusive, so you dont have any people playing diversity jus for personal preferences and not pure power. Same goes for chars with cool abilities, like Leia for crit synergy lol. Res Trooper>Clone Trooper=Jawa>Ewok Scout no matter power or skills(with useful effect or none at all).
    8. Why would people test anything, if from 90% the description it's clear if the char is any good. They don't now actual numbers, rather you can only build any synergies on special effects of the skills. If they choose poorly theyere are stuck for the rest of the game. When Phasma came out, all with assist synergy, turn meter gains rejoiced. But update is around the corner, there will most likely be new better leader(f2p and beyond).
    9. The best part with heroes is unlocking them, but then comes the chore part. Farm it to 7* till you bleed.
  • CronozNL
    2869 posts Member
    Otar wrote: »
    Lol, if you guys can't see the inbalance of the game, you are 1- blind or 2- stupid. SO MANY INBALANCES IT MAKES MY HEAD SPIN!

    Caps day started early this year.
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  • I find that after playing with a decent chunk of the games roster that specific characters seem fairly balanced offensively, now that doesn't mean that there aren't top tier characters that are better than others; but it does mean that there are no characters that are so game breaking that they make for an auto-win in any situation.

    With that said I do believe that the game mechanics are severely unbalanced mainly because it appears as though defensive proc rates seem to be significantly higher than offensive proc rates, at times appearing to be upwards of 2-3 times higher.

    Example:

    Captain Phasma's leader ability seems to proc around 1:5 when using her offensively; on its own this isn't too overpowered and can be seen as little more than a subtle nudge in damage for your team. Defensively however it seems to be any where from 1:3 - 2:3 and I've even seen it proc 4-5 times in a row which is simply absurd; having a team potentially get any where from 7-10 attacks before you have a chance to react is quite overpowered. The same goes for various other abilities that are balanced by their lower proc rates (Sideous and Old Daka come to mind.)

    The characters themselves aren't what's unbalanced, the fact that they are more likely to generate positive effects while defending is.
  • shimmy
    200 posts Member
    edited January 2016
    Oh yeah, the game is incredibly unbalanced, both in characters used and how battles play out with the AI.

    With characters, as you stated, there is only like a core group that are your money guys and how you need them if you don't want to get slaughtered.

    With the AI, it's clear the AI procs waaaaaaaay higher than my squad does regardless if my characters have better stats. This is EA style programming since it is in every EA game. Playing Madden and have a 95 rated speed receiver who gets a few yards behind a 80 rated CB and think you have the easy catch/score? Too bad as we will make the 80 rated speed corner get boosted to 99 rated speed and catch up to you and knock it down because we don't like that you have a better player on your team, reality and physics be damned.

    I just have to chuckle when I see people talk about strategy and skill playing this game as though it is chess or something else that has a level playing field and the outcome is a direct result of the participants. Strategy and skill come into play when you actually control what happens rather than rely on some random thing to decide. It's not strategy or skill when your character procs a critical hit or creates a negative effect. It's not your lack of skill or strategy if the AI critical hits you or gives a negative effect to you or if you attack someone and they resist or dodge it or you don't get the critical hit. And unless I am missing something, you can't even see the whole squad when choosing an opponent in arena so you can't even say the strategy is picking the correct characters to take them on. You see the leader and that is it.

    Of every type of game I have played, this type of game requires the least amount of skill or strategy. Actually, I don't even really consider this a game given the limited amount of input and control one has on what happens. I can only imagine those that talk about skill and strategy haven't actually played a real game or a sport in real life so they don't know what skill or strategy is.

    Having said all that, I do generally enjoy my daily time with building up my characters, doing some things and striving to unlock more characters. I also haven't paid a single cent nor will I so the issues don't bother me as much as they would if I actually paid for this. Boggles my mind there are people putting hundreds and even thousands of dollars into this app and it isn't a case of "well they have a lot of money so it's not a big deal" as I have a good amount of disposable income but I wouldn't spend it on something like this. Then again, it boggles my mind that people pay hundreds/thousands of dollars for the company of escorts or pay XX amount of money every week on tobacco products which effectively means they are actually paying to give themselves cancer so clearly I don't understand the mindset of many humans.
  • Eaywen
    422 posts Member

    Tell me a game that is balance? I dare you.. [/quote]

    I honestly felt heros charge was up until they added fallen dominion. He took balance and ripped it apart and they refused to change anything about him except make characters to counter him. All of which were terribly ineffectual. In fact I got on it a few weeks ago after 8 months of not playing it and he was still dominating everything
  • Eaywen wrote: »
    Kind of tired of the deniers and or fan bois claiming nothing is op or unbalanced in this game. I've played balanced games and In none of them were 80% of the characters not used and in nine of them were 3 of the same characters in everyteam. You can't say there's a balance then as a xommunity constantly telling peeps to use the exact same heros or fall behind. I could give a dozen examples more why the game int but instead let's allow others to pipe in.

    All I want is some honesty, constructive honesty so things can be fixed regardless of who's eploiting what bug or imbalance I'd rather drop 500 ranks in a balance game due to my team being fixed then keep acting like everything's fine.

    The biggest reason people are using the same toons is just the availability. Lumi is easy to come by, that's why everyone uses her.
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  • Ello_Asty
    562 posts Member
    edited January 2016
    I never got the chance to buy Dooku for $5. I would have especially knowing that Kylo Ren would be $100. When I come across him in say Light Side Battles or GW he is a pain. He appears to be OP but he is squishy in the Arena. He really isn't farmable and I'm not going to do it anymore. He is like FOTP, effective at lower levels but not higher levels. He appears to be OP but isn't. Point is, there would be a lot more Dooku players if he was farmable. That is the crux of the matter.

    I'm not farming anyone in light/dark battles anymore. It isn't worth it until all of your gear is up. So, guess who I farm? Here's my choices: Sid, Lumi, Poe, 5's, Phasma. There are more that I'd like to farm, different teams that I'd like to play but they aren't available to me. Ex: Grand Moff Tarkin could be a terrific toon. He puts offense down on an entire team and has a AoE that takes away turn meter and does so with above average damage on his regular attack. He was great at 4* and geared up for awhile when I lucked into him but my team is passing him by now. He dies super quick now that I'm in the top 100 and there is no investing into him anywhere so there is some variety going away...
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  • jeremyj26
    783 posts Member
    edited January 2016
    Telaan wrote: »
    I agree with the OP. The fact that anybody asking about which characters to farm is told Lumi and Sid regardless of what other characters they have or what build they want should tell you that Lumi and Sid are not balanced with other characters.

    ....or they're just farmable and are flexible allowing them to be used in a variety of scenarios. If Old Ben, QGJ, and Leia were farmable you'd see people pushing for them to be farmed as well.

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  • If they post the info it would be great because one day you get a full pull of shards and the next day or two none or only a few in those two days strange.
    Qui-Gon progress in cantina currently 4* gear lvl 7.
  • AbysmalDarkside
    316 posts Member
    edited January 2016
    I do agree but the fault lies with the fact they made so many characters only attainable through packs. Some characters are unfarmable despite that I fully agree EVERYONE in Arenas are using the same 5 characters, The only exception being the people who spent thousands of dollars on packs they're using the unfarmable characters they paid to get 7 starred.
  • Look, boil it all down, and CG made 4 star characters easily farmable and 1 star characters unfarmable. It makes zero sense. Why even have a 1 star character if you can't farm them?

    Here is one way to balance this game:

    Revamp your convoluted currency system and give us the chance to farm whomever we want. The difference between say, Kylo and Ewok Scout being the total cost.

    Then you actually have to make tough decisions.

    Their current method makes your decision for you. "Here are the characters you can farm. Here are the characters you can't. You get to pick whomever you want! Look at all these fun decisions you get to make. Isn't this game super in-depth and strategically diverse?!"

    No. No it's not.

  • This was my first game of this style...rpg, or card game...whatever it's called. I was patient and played a broad long game. I've only got 4, 5 star toons, but have 15, 4 star toons, and 4, at three stars. All of them are level 55-58. I then noticed people were passing me up with the very popular 6 star Barriss, and others, and I'm nowhere near the top 50 yet on my server (nyc east coast is a tough bracket), but I know I will be there one day.

    So, I stuck to my strategy and learned my abilites and synergies. Things really got going when I learned proper turn meter manipulation, and what did you know...I already had an incredible team. I stuck them all together, and BOOM. Also because of my diversity, I rarely don't finish GW...even as it grows more difficult. I'm pretty sure people probably think I'm cheating. With a team 1000 points less than my opponent; my "weaker" but properly matched squad of turn meter manipulators usually cleans them out quickly. I've managed to beat a team that was 1600 exp more powerful than mine. It's not a very intimidating squad. My Leader is usually 5 star Capt Phasma, or Old Obi Wan. Either one, they are both always on the squad. My healer is a five star Talia. I'm partnered with a 4 star Tie pilot, a 4 star Stormtrooper Han, and a five star Count Dooku for the icing on the cake. You probably wouldn't be intimidated by that squad especially if you were a thousand points more powerful...but you should be. You can't win, if you never get a chance to play ;) I've got a three star First order Trooper on the bench, with synergies and turn coat manipulation, and am about to farm Lea; whom I hear is one crazy ****...lol.

    Maybe someone will be a **** about this post, but I'm just a noob sharing my experience. I've encountered a weaker team than mine, with an Elder Ewok and Daka & couldn't take them down because all the opposing toons I'd knock off came back to F'ing life! There are already all sorts of strategies. I just studied the game a little more to find mine. I hope this helps someone's game. -cheers
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