Question Regarding Vader's Zeta Upgrade.
November 23, 2016 8:59AM
edited November 2016
His upgrade reads: Enemies immediately regain Damage Over Time for 2 turns whenever Damage Over Time expires on them while Darth Vader is alive. The word "expires" is what gets me, does this imply when they expire naturally after they run their course, in which case it's the worst Zeta upgrade so far. Or whenever they would expire, including dispels.
I assume it's meant to synergize with his cull, that way if it doesn't kill the target, they're still suffering 2-3 DoTs. It would also be a good counter to these new Rebels, as well as old characters, that can destroy an Empire squad by cleansing the whole team. But if you can simply cleans the DoT's, it's an awful Zeta upgrade compared to these others that have been released.
It wouldn't even be the least bit OP if it works like I think it should, considering how long his AoE's cool down is, and the lack of DoT placing characters that can synergize with an Empire squad. So I really hope these DoT's are as permanent as I think they are, otherwise Palpatine lead will still be the only real option for an Empire squad.
I assume it's meant to synergize with his cull, that way if it doesn't kill the target, they're still suffering 2-3 DoTs. It would also be a good counter to these new Rebels, as well as old characters, that can destroy an Empire squad by cleansing the whole team. But if you can simply cleans the DoT's, it's an awful Zeta upgrade compared to these others that have been released.
It wouldn't even be the least bit OP if it works like I think it should, considering how long his AoE's cool down is, and the lack of DoT placing characters that can synergize with an Empire squad. So I really hope these DoT's are as permanent as I think they are, otherwise Palpatine lead will still be the only real option for an Empire squad.
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Yeah but what about arena viability? So many teams now run characters with cleanses like; Ackbar, Elder, and Rex, that this leader ability would only be good in Raids. I suppose I could run Palpatine lead in Arena and Vader lead in raids. But I was hoping for the upgrade cost, his leader ability would be viable in all aspects of the game.
Well they did nerf how much damage DOTs do and in order for you to use that strategy it would require you staying alive for a long time since the DOTs won't do anything unless the tank takes turns. I have a hard time getting through 6-8 turns of the AAT on heroic even with 3 topples
This. Most zeta's seem to have a bigger use raidwise than arena wise. I'm thinking this is their way of making the AAT raid easier instead of nerfing it.
A lot of zeta upgrades are the ones we use for during AAT.
I know Vader can still slap an ability block on jedi's who have tenacity up, despite saying it can resist all negative effects vs vader's cannot be evaded or resisted basic attack. If His leadership ability applies the same reasoning to the Dots than its safe to assume that Rex wont be able to dispel those dots.
Thank you so much, that's awesome. Both for the reply and design choice for his Leadership upgrade.
So if rex dispel/resist they stay there?
Order of events would have them cleansed, immediately reapplied, then Tenacity Up would kick in. So yeah they stay there.
I don't think it does or if it does it is at the beginning of their turn so it won't matter.
In the raid the Dot's don't add TM to the boss because the damage is applied during this turn
Order of operations is most likely
Start turn
Dot's damage so no TM changes.