Nihilus increases cooldowns through tenacity up

Tuftedpaper85

There's nothing in the description of that ability that says the effect can't be resisted, but apparently you can't resist it. I'd always assumed it would work like any other negative status effect. Any thoughts?

slickdealer

Probably WAI. Just more power creep.

Vertigo

slickdealer wrote: »

Probably WAI. Just more power creep.

Take_a_Bite

Increasing cooldown is a stat manipulation that is not associated with buffs or debuffs. As such there is no resistance check for it.

Edit: they could change it to be like tm reduction though.

Alsend_Drake

It's not a debuff though, it's an effect, no red boxes means it's not resistable, remember, they had to add TM reduction being resistable too.

LeoRavus

It's not based on potency so why should tenacity affect it. It's one of those things that's guaranteed to happen on a debuffed enemy like tenacity down on crit with tfp and dengar.

Tuftedpaper85

Alsend_Drake wrote: »

It's not a debuff though, it's an effect, no red boxes means it's not resistable, remember, they had to add TM reduction being resistable too.

But turn meter reduction can and does get resisted all the time. When it can't, they specify that it can't be resisted, like in Vader's zeta lead

SlabRankle

It is very buggy then. I hunt Nihilus teams in the area the cooldown increase doesn't always hit. The first fight none of my characters were affected so I figured if your abilities were off cooldown it did squat (which I am now aware is false). I'm not running evasion either, Fett is my leader for big crits.

MBL_66

Tuftedpaper85 wrote: »

Alsend_Drake wrote: »

It's not a debuff though, it's an effect, no red boxes means it's not resistable, remember, they had to add TM reduction being resistable too.

But turn meter reduction can and does get resisted all the time. When it can't, they specify that it can't be resisted, like in Vader's zeta lead

There was a time when this wasn't the case, many moons ago, during the dark times

LeoRavus

SlabRankle wrote: »

It is very buggy then. I hunt Nihilus teams in the area the cooldown increase doesn't always hit. The first fight none of my characters were affected so I figured if your abilities were off cooldown it did squat (which I am now aware is false). I'm not running evasion either, Fett is my leader for big crits.

It's only 50% chance if the enemy isn't debuffed. If they are it's 100% chance.

Vertigo

Tuftedpaper85 wrote: »

Alsend_Drake wrote: »

It's not a debuff though, it's an effect, no red boxes means it's not resistable, remember, they had to add TM reduction being resistable too.

But turn meter reduction can and does get resisted all the time. When it can't, they specify that it can't be resisted, like in Vader's zeta lead

Yes, but what he meant is that at the start of the game there was not potency/tenacity check for TM being reduced, it just happened as long as the attack landed. Which is what this does now, and it didn't make a difference for DT's grenade because it included a Dispel to start so either the whole thing was evaded (and thus the cooldown increase was evaded) or it lands. But it would only increase cooldowns of non-buffed enemies which means they couldn't have tenacity up to begin with.

Personally I like the way it works, if you can get negative effects on your enemies quickly it'll work, but if they're cleansed or your team is too slow to get going before tenacity up it won't be as effective. It depends more on the team around him than just Nihilus himself, which adds a strategy to the team composition rather than just tossing in B2 to dispel everything after the fact and loading Nihilus up with Potency mods.

SlabRankle

LeoRavus wrote: »

SlabRankle wrote: »

It is very buggy then. I hunt Nihilus teams in the area the cooldown increase doesn't always hit. The first fight none of my characters were affected so I figured if your abilities were off cooldown it did squat (which I am now aware is false). I'm not running evasion either, Fett is my leader for big crits.

It's only 50% chance if the enemy isn't debuffed. If they are it's 100% chance.

Good to know thanks!

Supercat

Definitely unfair.

I ran Ewoks in arena when they made TMR resistable. Now I am like ____?!??????!!?!??!!?!!?