I don't want to instantly say GK is OP, but how are people really feeling about him right now? I encounter him quite often at the end of GW with amazing synergy with Bariss and 5s and it often takes a full two teams to wear him down before I send my fully maxed G11 Sith team to finish him off. He is beatable by attrition, but if I saw that team in arena, I assume he would be number 1 constantly. Am I way off base on this? If so, what would be the counter team to not allowing him to become the go-to meta.
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That being said I dropped him today from my squad and now run full sith.
Before I ran zaul/zooku/Zavage/ep/gk
He gets gunned down and usually stunned/ability block therefore he sits there completly useless until he dies.
Now with zaul/Zavage/zooku/sid/Nihilus the team is way better and everybody dodges!!
Interesting. I assume he is only as good as his support. Perhaps my expectations of him are greater because of the teams he is placed in. It does sound like he might not be the greatest benefit in a largely sith team.
With 80k Health & Protection he's my 3rd tankiest behind Sun Fac and Shoretrooper but I got him going at 220 speed (before QGJ's speed buff) so he's speedy as well.
I run him with zQGJ, zYoda, Aayla & Palpy and I can take out any pure Sith team with little problem.
I find Chaze much better on defense though, those two create an impenetrable wall of defense. No wonder, the best defense involves GK and Chaze.
Yeah, I'm working on Chaze now and thinking of running zQGJ, zYoda, GK and Chaze in the Arena to see how that works.
This is the team I have the most trouble with. Even my Sith team alone, more often then not, cannot defeat this, granted I have not Zeta'ed Maul yet so I am not sure if this would make a much larger significance; I usually have to fight the war of attrition to wear him down before I can defeat him
With Zaul, Vader, Nihilus, EP, and STH I can beat the GK/Chaze/Zarriss/fifth combo fairly reliably. Baze's retribution is actually very nice for my TM gain. Nihilus can stop GK and Chirrut from cleansing so the only cleanse you need to worry about is Barriss, but she's usually pretty slow as long as she's dazed/shocked. It's still a tought team to face, but it can still be defeated reliably. I personally have more trouble with the Zaul, Baze, Nihilus, GK, EP team on my shard as their Nihilus and EP are a bit faster than mine are so I have trouble stopping GK and Baze from using their specials.
Appreciate the reply
I've ran into him in GW and the toughest team I faced was him, Chaze, Zarris and Zylo.
Chaze and GK alone aren't a problem for Sith - but those 3 combined with a Rex leader the 3 cleansers and TM gain will beat zDM-led Sith comps more often than not. GK was pretty unanimous on my shard (Nov '15 day 1 hard launch - still very competitive) about 2 weeks ago, but the shifting meta to zDM and people bringing along updated heroes like zDooku / zSO / zKylo are pushing him out pretty quick. Just checked and 2 out of top 10 currently are running him.
What you need though, if you have g11 Sith, for that comp in GW and even in arena honestly can work vs. many GK / zBarriss- you want DN leader. Doesn't even need to be zeta. The no crit totally nerfs Barriss / GK taunt / heal skills and makes it a pretty easy comp to defeat since it's not super high damage - especially with weak hitting Barriss.
Well, instead of Rex, if you have a Zeta'd Yoda you can add Foresight and Tenacity up every 4 turns with Battle Meditation.
Add that to GK and Chirrut's cleanse and its really hard for Sith teams to land debuffs and make them stick for very long. If you can get Foresight and Tenacity Up to protect GK long enough that he gets his Retribution up then Sith can be in big trouble when they attack with their AoEs. Then GK goes and calls all buffed allies to assist him against one target and you can almost take out an opposing toon after that move alone.
Yep - ten up / cleanse combos are enemies of the Sith - agree.
What toon is that? I don't see it in my list!
It's just an easy abbreviation for Chirrut & Baze together on a team. It's kinda wonky but is shorter to type and most people know what it is.
Edit: Defense may be better once I put a zeta on Barriss and take out Bob and Palpatine for her and CT-5555
No one's saying he's OP, but saying he's far from and balanced is incorrect. Is he balanced compared Chaze? yes, is Chaze balanced compared to other toons? no. There has to be toons on top that are borderline OP, it's how power creeps work. Saying he and Chaze are not borderline OP is setting the bar too low, making the toons at the bottom look even worse than they are now.
I my opinion there are no toons OP enough to be nerfed. That doesn't mean they're not significantly more powerful than the rest, and on that borderline of OP.