: For a TLDR - Chaze's true inbalance stems from its ease of play for the tremendous power. Not the counters.Edit
2: A solid post.
They are op because the fundamental key of balance is 'jack of trades, master of none. Master of a trade - easy to counter.'
3: Another solid post.
Just going to c/p a comment I wrote yesterday.
It's about calling a team balanced when it can be beaten, which is a very weird view on game balance.
Argument: X team can be beaten so it's fine to leave it as it is. If a team can be beaten, then it's balanced.
Reality: X team can ONLY be beaten by very specific characters. Any team that doesn't include these characters can't be used in Arena. The whole game suffers from a lack of diversity.
Zaul could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any team that relies on Assists/TM gain/Counter
Chaze could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any team with no mass/regular dispell.
ZVader could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any team with no cleanse.
Wiggs could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any team without a pre-taunter.
Evasion teams could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any player that had poor RNG.
Poe teams could be beaten, but still pushed out of the meta any team without Poe.
Barris/healing teams could be beaten but still pushed out of the meta any team without Sidious.
CAN BE BEATEN =/= BALANCED
If you think so, you have very poor knowledge in game design, game balance, and poor basic logic.
Ironically, since Baze and Chirrut are good at
- Inflicting debuffs and dispelling buffs on the enemy team
- Cleansing debuffs and giving buffs to your team
The only counter to Chaze is... Chaze.
They don't obey the rules and are masters of all. They tank, they heal, they buff they rebuff they deal huge damage and so on and so fourth. [/quote]
Even before R2, Zaul has had its counter - Rex.What precisely is the counter for Chaze exactly?Certainly you're not thinking of gimmicky GSpy, are you?
Let's be honest. The real issue with Chaze is that it is far too fool proof. Players using these two don't have to think much to use them because they are way too easy for the extremely high payoff.Let's take that a step further.
Chaze is universal. You can plug these two into practically any team, and heck, the best team in the game uses, well, you guessed it
- Chaze. There are multiple answers for Zaul. Only (Boba) and to a fair extent, DN, that can compete with Chaze, and even then it's STILL a battle versus them whereas Chaze doesn't have to do much against you.That's the real issue.
It's just too easy. It needs a tone down. My suggestion would be to either drastically reduce their damage output, remove Baze's pre-taunt, or set an ICD between his taunts when Chirrut loses health. Another way to handle them would be to reduce the amount of healing received from the HoTs.
PS: Making another overpowered character (or duo, or comp) to fix Chaze is not the answer.