GK retains Foresight after counter-attack

vynn · May 13, 2017 6:05AM

See the 0:54 and 1:54 mark here:

SnakesOnAPlane · May 13, 2017 6:21AM

That's actually not a bug. In both cases GK took a turn, and his Foresight allowed him to dodge the counter-attack, and he then regained Foresight at the end of his turn (65% chance).

vynn · May 13, 2017 1:15PM

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

That's actually not a bug. In both cases GK took a turn, and his Foresight allowed him to dodge the counter-attack, and he then regained Foresight at the end of his turn (65% chance).

Counter-attack doesn't occur AFTER his turn is over? That's awful, so he's not only guaranteed to dodge counter damage but also most likely going to gain Foresight again, after the counter attack.. I would argue that his turn should be over after his attack and the counter-attack should then clear the Foresight which was gained when his turn ended.

SnakesOnAPlane · May 13, 2017 6:23PM

vynn wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

That's actually not a bug. In both cases GK took a turn, and his Foresight allowed him to dodge the counter-attack, and he then regained Foresight at the end of his turn (65% chance).

Counter-attack doesn't occur AFTER his turn is over? That's awful, so he's not only guaranteed to dodge counter damage but also most likely going to gain Foresight again, after the counter attack.. I would argue that his turn should be over after his attack and the counter-attack should then clear the Foresight which was gained when his turn ended.

I'll let @scuba give more info to the mechanics of this, so as to not steer you wrong.

scuba · May 13, 2017 6:49PM

vynn wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

That's actually not a bug. In both cases GK took a turn, and his Foresight allowed him to dodge the counter-attack, and he then regained Foresight at the end of his turn (65% chance).

Counter-attack doesn't occur AFTER his turn is over? That's awful, so he's not only guaranteed to dodge counter damage but also most likely going to gain Foresight again, after the counter attack.. I would argue that his turn should be over after his attack and the counter-attack should then clear the Foresight which was gained when his turn ended.

Counter attacks happen during the turn (this is why they had issues with aalya stunning on counter attacks and dooku stunning and ability blocking on counter attacks). has always been like that

1. Turn start
2. attack opponent
3. opponent responds (counter TM gain etc)
4. Turn end
5. Turn end unique processes

I don't disagree with you logic but that is how it currently works.

vynn · May 13, 2017 7:20PM

So whenever Foresight is up, it's a risk-free attack against any unit that can counter attack. They should rename the ability to Foresight+Hindsight...

scuba · May 13, 2017 7:35PM

vynn wrote: »

So whenever Foresight is up, it's a risk-free attack against any unit that can counter attack. They should rename the ability to Foresight+Hindsight...

Well the good part is if dooku gets bonus attack on counter than the second hit would have landed.

vynn · May 14, 2017 4:19AM

scuba wrote: »

vynn wrote: »

So whenever Foresight is up, it's a risk-free attack against any unit that can counter attack. They should rename the ability to Foresight+Hindsight...

Well the good part is if dooku gets bonus attack on counter than the second hit would have landed.

I could be wrong, but it seems like the chance to attack a second time is very low if the first attack is evaded.

Ig88isboss · May 14, 2017 5:22AM

They should just make gk invincible

scuba · May 15, 2017 12:57AM

vynn wrote: »

scuba wrote: »

vynn wrote: »

So whenever Foresight is up, it's a risk-free attack against any unit that can counter attack. They should rename the ability to Foresight+Hindsight...

Well the good part is if dooku gets bonus attack on counter than the second hit would have landed.

I could be wrong, but it seems like the chance to attack a second time is very low if the first attack is evaded.

I have used it a lot on my alt account. Haven't noticed any difference.

Supercat · May 15, 2017 1:52AM

vynn wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

That's actually not a bug. In both cases GK took a turn, and his Foresight allowed him to dodge the counter-attack, and he then regained Foresight at the end of his turn (65% chance).

Counter-attack doesn't occur AFTER his turn is over? That's awful, so he's not only guaranteed to dodge counter damage but also most likely going to gain Foresight again, after the counter attack.. I would argue that his turn should be over after his attack and the counter-attack should then clear the Foresight which was gained when his turn ended.

TFP lol

scuba wrote: »

vynn wrote: »

SnakesOnAPlane wrote: »

That's actually not a bug. In both cases GK took a turn, and his Foresight allowed him to dodge the counter-attack, and he then regained Foresight at the end of his turn (65% chance).

Counter-attack doesn't occur AFTER his turn is over? That's awful, so he's not only guaranteed to dodge counter damage but also most likely going to gain Foresight again, after the counter attack.. I would argue that his turn should be over after his attack and the counter-attack should then clear the Foresight which was gained when his turn ended.

Counter attacks happen during the turn (this is why they had issues with aalya stunning on counter attacks and dooku stunning and ability blocking on counter attacks). has always been like that

1. Turn start
2. attack opponent
3. opponent responds (counter TM gain etc)
4. Turn end
5. Turn end unique processes

I don't disagree with you logic but that is how it currently works.

And that's why I get triggered when I stun barris and her unique still procs.

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