With all the hype surrounding the Grand Moff's new abilities, I was curious to test it in Arena (I run an Empire team), but someone beat me to it, so I tried it first in the opposite team.
The story goes like this:
- ... some things happen ...
- Tarkin fires his mass debuff thing, a blatant success: all my toons are now neutered with offense and crit down. Things look pretty bleak for me right now.
- Next turn is mine: "The Negotiator" (Kenobi) repaints all that red into green...
- Now having my whole squad with both offense up and crit chance up, that's a nice treat! After that, it didn't take long for me to wipe out the Grand Moff and his whole crew.
So it's perhaps the first time that a toon lands
after his perfect counter is already well established? I think the window of opportunity for Tarkin in Arena has ended a few months before it began.
I'm sure he can still find a decent supporting role in a Tank P3 squad or something, but I wouldn't bet much on his ambitions to take the center stage, like Anakin or Boba did for a bit after their rework.
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The unfortunate part is stats for debuff characters continue to be adjusted downward for the supposed ability to use debuffs. Look at Tarkin and EP's total protection + health and speed as well. They have less total health than the new coming ahsoka and also less speed. Same thing if you look at them vs. R2 (and R2 has a lot of debuffs) and same thing if you look at them vs. Chirrut.
In a five vs five man battle, there will always be holes. Too much "meta" and not enough room on the team. Triple cleanse doesn't have any room to switch up the roster without sacrificing some effectiveness to gain an advantage in any other area. I expect we will see the same old teams even after Ahsokas release, or slightly altered, equally beatable alternatives.
Let's just be honest darkside has been shafted in general compared to toons with multiple purpose and utility like light side has had and continues to get and become stronger
Well that wasn't a general statement or anything
Like? Oh, and let's pretend you know that Chaze, and Rex exist and GK likely has Tenacity up. Meaning nothing is landing.
ow, is that how tenacity up works. who knew.
Really though, we'd have to ability block 3 toons and do this each turn, furthermore, ability block is not even the same class as stun. Honestly, arguably the best used stunner in the game is ls And it's a droid. Stun on basic with great speed, amazing team wide uniques and super solid specials. This toon fits in all ls Decks.
Ds has what, ep, rg and daka? Rg can't work now. Daka hasn't been good in a very long time and ep is really good but potentially too squishy. Ep is the best choice for stun. Ability block 2 of 3 and It may as well have been none of the 3. Stun 2 of the 3 and it may as well been none. So no, claiming to AB/stun and it's a win is not realistic.
Pssh, that's so easy I can do it on my sleep!
And the best part is, there's a plethora of toons that can do it! Who would have thought, triple perpetual ability block, so simple it's silly!
smh
Your still at it trying to defend this unbalanced precedent in this game lmao
Edit: assuming Kanan is on the team
It isn't that the triple cleanse team is unbeatable, it is that it takes careful strategy for a dark side team to beat them and they can beat all the dark side teams on auto. I love my Zader squad, but it isn't nearly as strong as all the double and triple cleanse teams I face. I have AOE stun, ability block, and cooldown increase on it plus the ab on Vaders basic, and it is still takes good RNG to beat teams that have both GK and Chaze.
This.
Some of these squads literally cannot lose on offense and they hold up extremely well on defense.
Fyi, the only squad i cant beat is a zader lead, sa, zid. The other two change sometimes. But no chaze. This squad beats me on auto, for sure. Cuz i cant beat the AI. This is the only vader lead in my arena, fortunately for me.
I use rex, dn, chaze, and b2/ep/boba. So i cant wait to get gk and auto this squad. Lol. I dont think that is gonna happen. Cant cleanse zader dots.
Arena / I tried, he died. The battle just moves too quickly to maximize the AOE hurt.
Raids are going to be a different story.
Just got Jyn 7* yesterday, so thought I'd try my hand with the Heroic Rancor. (Teebo is only g9 but was still effective --TFP, Jyn, Cassian, Tarkin all g11.)
Almost cleared it, literally 1.86% remaining -- ugh.
Just to put it in context, I don't have Vader and I've never cleared an entire phase let alone almost all four with one squad; so with this soloing thing being new to me, I was quite pleased. Of course I mostly credit Jyn and Teebo more so than Tarkin though he provided a third source of TMR.
FWIW, I never got Tarkin's AOE to register more than 69k (was expecting to do much more than that, seemed like I stacked the Potency forever) but he posted up 2.5 million total in dmg, good for 3rd most behind TFP and Jyn.
I'm just tired of people calling toons useless because of.. .chaze/rex/kenobi. You yourself apparantly figured out a tactic that works vs them. One thing is for sure, stuns help me out a bunch when facing the tripple cleanse team.
I didn't go as far as calling Tarkin useless, but he'll have a hell of a hard time to prove himself in Arena, given the current landscape, and it's a bit sad for a fresh rework (I'm also a bit disappointed because I have him nearly maxed out already). The same cannot be said for R2 or Sith Assassin for example, or for Boba or Anakin when it happened.
Note that he's far from being alone... The whole Phoenix team for instance, is also not anywhere close to get its share of Arena, probably whatever the current meta is.
But who knows, maybe there is synergy waiting to happen?
Sorry, remember TiTO (Zarriss Chaze Boba GK)? It was a matter of running down the clock. I sincerely prefer a anti-debuff meta to that.
BTW, you want to know what caused triple cleanse? Zaul...
TiTO, the forerunner of triple cleanse, adapted into double cleanse when Nihilus arrived, then triple cleanse came when Zaul became rampant.
I just find funny that he doesn't use even a single jedi with that username.
Triple cleanse parts were around WAY before Maul and people have used Rex in arena for >1 year since he was created. Maul was a joke - he was good for like 2 weeks on my leaderboard. Maul didn't create anything.
On my leaderboard triple cleanse only started this week, and we're still fighting Zaul...
Gotcha. My LB is old and has always moved fast - many of the top 10/20 guys already had Chaze / GK / Rex teams before DN/SA/SiTrooper were even created. Not many were running all of them together in one, but 3x cleanse teams + DN popped up months ago for me and pushed Maul out in a matter of weeks. Highest ranked Maul right now is at 22 - next one isn't until 38 - 5 Mauls in the top 50 total now.