Will we ever see a full empire team at all? Since the empire pass came and went, and the only results are one great empire toon that almost nobody uses with empire and the resurgence of Wiggs team, Resistance teams and jedi teams with the addition of R2 and FAT. I mean if not even now then when?
At the moment the cutoff number is 8. That's right, there isn't a single empire team used by more than 9 people that can finish first.
The close future is clear: Luke then EP 8 will air so Resistance and FO will be priorities.
So why the hate for the second most important and the second largest faction in the game?
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There are very few teams that run all 5 the same faction given most of the best toons don't require synergy.
Even theyre all not top 10 Arena viable theyre still useful in GW, raids and Empire events.
There is a lot of factions theyre trying to do, just a matter of time.
If you are searching for empire squads without Nihilus (and GK), good luck.
My team also beats the triple cleanse, zMaul and some other good teams.
I do consider the empire pass a success.
I'm even willing to say that empire is the best faction ingame currently.
- steamroll GW obviously
- awesome in the rancor raid (12min. on auto orso and i don't have the best mods)
- awesome in the AAT raid. Granted, you have to mix and match a bit, but the empire characters are key for big scores.
- Awesome in arena. Again, you have to mix and match if you want the best performing team, but they are pretty solid if used as a full faction.
- (edit) Somewhat awesome in the fleet arena. I'm not really into fleet arena, but tarkin's capital ship seems rather good, just like the TIE's (imperial, advanced and reaper).
Full jedi factions, full sith factions or full Resistance factions are also succesful.
Teams with 4 toons of one faction + one of the OP toons like DN or GK are maybe even more prelevalent.
The best faction in the game doesn't have any full squads or even a 4 toons team. The vast majority of high ranked players (and probably the lower ranked, we just don't have data) are only using Thrawn or not using an empire toon at all.
If tomorrow all the empire toons besides Thrawn and the ones used in sith teams ( Vader and EP) would dissapear the top of the arenas would be unchanged. Empire is a nonfactor in arena, was a nonfactor and I bet it will continue being a nonfactor for a long time.
Maybe the Wedge, biggs, r2 and chaze squad is the 4th most used rank 1 squad, but more rank 1 players use deathtrooper and/or shore than there are rank 1 players using wedge So yea..
If you remove rebels besides their 3 most used characters (baze, chirrut and r2) the top of the arena would be just as unchanged. With death trooper and shore trooper empire has 5(!) characters amongst the 15 most used characters used by rank 1 players. Calling empire a non factor is just silly.
empire is awesome, not sure why you keep saying they suck when they clearly don't.
You can run a full empire team and take top 5 on almost any server. You don't see a lot of people using them because it's a very Whaley oriented faction, with a lot of their key linchpins locked behind a single hard node. You're making the assumption that because people don't use them that they're bad (or at least not as good as you like). Empire teams are very good, but players have to manage their resources. I'd be willing to bet that most of wiggs resurgence you mentioned is coming from players who had those at gear 11 seven months ago
Because after the pass, at their peak, not a single person is using empire toons in my shard besides Thrawn or Zader and Ep with sith. More than 30 of those players use rebels but i do have 1 FO team and 2 Resistance ones. Because only a few players are using them in 3 out of 4 guilds in our Alliance, and they use the mix with GK and DN. Because that was it for empire, 6 months of hype and hope, all for close to nothing (in arena)
Availability is a key attribute, if not the most important one. No player that doesn't see the field will be considered great no matter how talented he is.
Not good or not good enough for it's requirements are the same thing at the end.
Look at the team below - many would argue this is the best team comp in the game on D right now, IF it's modded well...but just 11 are using it. 1. Requires zeta on FOST 2. Requires some very good mods 3. Requires GK and GAT - two 'unlock' heroes that a good number of players don't have along with FOST - who's a hard to farm character that many also don't have.
Rex · First Order Stormtrooper · GK · Darth Nihilus · Grand Admiral Thrawn 11 3%
Empire is the best faction in the game, I agree with @leef
HAAT: Full empire team can solo p3 - no one else can do that
Full empire team can get 5 million in P4 - strong #
Vader-led team can get you 5-6 million in P2
Rancor - solo is a joke with Empire
PVE / GW - dominating with zVeers / Vader / zThrawn, etc.
Arena they also feature many elite characters: Thrawn, Vader, Tarkin, Shore, DT, DK to name a few
Arena I've been running the same zVeers / zzThrawn team for weeks now - it has DN in it - but I'm sure I could also put Tarkin in there as my 5th and get wins. Or possibly Vader / EP. The problem with Empire is they almost have too many good options.