Star Wars: The Last Jedi Spoiler thread

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  • Boo
    4116 posts Member
    Jetlife wrote: »
    Force vision Luke would be amazing.
    Change kylos name to supreme leader ren. Snokes body guards, Wouldn’t mind even having 2/3 different variations in this game.
    I really don’t want general hugs; I never liked him in TFA or TLJ.
    And hopefully we can get Snoke.. He will come in 3 parts. Rofl :wink:


    We definitely need more toons of the new trilogy in this game:

    * Supreme Leader Snoke
    * FO Praetorian Guards
    * General Hux
    * FO Riot Trooper
    * FO BB9E
    * Maz
    * Rose
    * DJ
    * Master Luke Skywalker

    For E9 we will likely need a next version of Kylo for this game - Kylo Ren (Supreme Leader). Also likely Knights of Ren.

    I'd be surprised if they also don't re-tag VS as resistance as well.

    First Order faction definitely needs more ships especially Snoke's Star Destroyer as being fleet commander or General Hux's FO Destroyer or whatever it is - the "fleet destroyer".

    But before all that goes down - Separatist Faction Pass PLEASE!!!
  • Bhaalor wrote: »
    PORGS!!!!

    They are what's for dinner!

    I've seen TLJ twice. The second time I had to imagine that the Porgs were begging Chewie to feed them some of his cooked Porg. It's the only way I could rationalize such over-the-top cuteness in a Star Wars film. And to cement my vision of cannibal Porgs, they're so happy that Chewie feeds them that they follow him onto the Falcon.
    The field of battle is like the mongoose. Slow to joviality, but thirsty for morning sunshine.
    -Sun Tzu
  • JJ Abrams is directing episode IX. I wouldn't put it past him to resurrect Snoke or make Kylo out to be a liar (about Rey's parents). Anything is possible at this point. It makes me wonder how many (if any) of the story arcs were planned out for the entire trilogy, or are they just making it up as they go.
  • I really want another Yoda in game ghost Yoda that can send lighting and kill enemy team it will be fun
  • Boo
    4116 posts Member
    LordDirt wrote: »
    After watching TLJ it still shows how much more of a Mary Sue she is. The whole movie took place in less than a day and yet she can still hang with Kylo Ren and his powers while he is at 100%.

    Snoke even said the light rises to meet the darkness. He thought it would be Luke but it was Rey. So he is even saying Rey is more powerful than Luke and for no reason.

    He is not saying that. He says the light rises to meet the dark - which is a phrase from the ancient Jedi texts - a poem about balance in the force. Which is what that part of the movie was about.

    Rey rising in the light does not mean that she overshadows Luke.

    But I was right about BF2 - now that the continued story of BF2 is out (and so is TLJ) it is clear that Rey is not the child of the heroes in BF2, but they have simply created a new character in that story of BF2.

    Such a reveal in a video game could not have occurred, simple as that.

    Yet, the reveal we got in TLJ was disappointing to say the least, but is it the honest truth?
  • we have barely just unlocked Hermit Yoda.... lets give it time. Oversaturation of characters is why we have so many Hans (and no fingers). Jesting aside the last thing we need is another version of a hero already represented in game. Lets see some Hux, or Snoke, maybe Jabba. The list is endless.
    I fight the good fight
  • Star Wars is a a story told from the perspective of the light side, well from the movies anyway so i’m not at all surprised that the game is geared towards light side squads.
  • JJ Abrams is directing episode IX. I wouldn't put it past him to resurrect Snoke or make Kylo out to be a liar (about Rey's parents). Anything is possible at this point. It makes me wonder how many (if any) of the story arcs were planned out for the entire trilogy, or are they just making it up as they go.

    Honestly, I would prefer that Kylo be lying to try and turn Rey. I would like if Rey 'came from nothing' .... If not for all the inconsistencies it would inject into Ep.7. Kylo says "It is you" when she force pulls the lightsaber away from him. Why would he know her if her parents were nobody scavengers? Multiple times throughout they imply Han has an idea who she is, like the jump cut away from the conversation when Maz asks him about Rey. If her parents truly sold her "for a few drinks" how could they afford to fly away in a ship like we see in the flashback? So much of 7 doesn't make senses if Kylo is telling the truth. But if she were of Jedi lineage in some way, he has every reason to lie and hide that fact from her.
  • Boo
    4116 posts Member
    They are making it up as they go.

    TFA - Abrams did what he normally does. He played it safe and regurgitated ANH to capture the audience and threw whatever else he could at a wall to see if it stuck. Two great mysteries came out: Who are Rey's Parents? and Who is Snoke?

    TLJ - Johnson took over and did not like what Abrams was doing so destroyed these two mysteries by quickly killing off Snoke, making him an insignificant character and making Rey's parents insignificant nobodies.

    E 9 - Abrams will take the reins again. And will undue everything Johnson did. Snoke will come back to life because he never died. Snoke too was a force projection just as Luke was. Snoke's existence and identity will be revealed much to everyone's disappointment because whatever Abrams comes up with - it does not make sense (like LOST).
    Kylo was lying to Rey about her parentage and suddenly that plot point will be significant again.

    Meanwhile the audience is all totally confused.

    But if it has good effects and cute creatures like the Porgs to sell as cuddly toys, Disney is on board...regardless.

    And this is how Star Wars dies - With thunderous applause!
  • kalidor
    2082 posts Member
    edited December 2017
    I liked the film but it definitely wasn't perfect. Took me almost 3 days to really work through the plot and come up with something worth posting.

    Luke - Rey - Kylo
    The movie was entirely about the relationship between these three - everyone else was just along for the ride. This was definitely the most well developed storyline. Why Kylo turned, would Rey turn, why did Luke run away, would Kylo turn back? It had a huge unpredictability to it. I thought Luke would train Rey but his utter reluctance was unexpected. Rey's connection to Kylo making both of them waver in their light/dark sides was great. Even though I expected Kylo to turn on Snoke, I expected Kylo and Rey to join together but ultimately be beaten back, pushing Kylo to the light. Kylo becoming the supreme leader and trying to recruit Rey was a great twist. And finding out what happened between Kylo and Luke, and ultimately why they both ended up where they were at the beginning of TFA was pretty satisfying.

    Luke's Saber Toss
    I thought this was perfectly executed, even though I know many people hated this. TFA ends with Rey finding Luke, offering him the saber.... and that ending scene sat with us for 2 years. In a completely unexpected move, he takes it and throws it away. In that single gesture, the director establishes Luke's complete rejection of his past and the Jedi. It does so without a single word, completely blindsiding the audience and shattering expectations right away. The laughter was more a reaction to its complete unexpectedness.

    Luke's Taunt
    A lot of people saying they hated this "bit of humour" as well. I didn't see it that way at all. Luke's entire purpose on the salt flats was to buy time for the Resistance to escape, and he did this by baiting Kylo. After surviving the barrage (which of course a projection could easily do), he steps out and taunts Kylo by brushing the dust off his shoulder. I thought this worked perfectly. He knew exactly what would enrage Kylo - calm in the midst of ineffective massive destruction. Kylo took the bait, and the remaining Resistance escaped.

    Luke's Sacrifice
    Luke's death at the end was perfectly fitting, and it has to do with what he taught Rey in the beginning - light, dark, the balance. Rey's force awareness came about because of the huge imbalance in the force that Kylo caused. I'm guessing that Snoke came about because of the huge imbalance Luke caused (along with his jedi padawans). Now that Snoke is gone, and Kylo and Rey are balancing each other, Luke became the imbalance. He'd cut himself off from the force (as mentioned to Rey) possibly to avoid upsetting the balance. His huge use of the force projecting himself halfway across the galaxy upset it, so I believe his sacrifice was to right that balance, to avoid another dark side user rising.

    Rey's Parents
    Thank goodness they were nobody - I'd hoped for this ever since reading most of the early theories (which I thought were all too contrived to really be that interesting). She rose in opposition to Kylo's upset of the balance, which is a huge theme in TLJ, and that wouldn't have happened with force sensitive parents. If it had been Kenobi, Palpatine or Luke, I would have felt the same way about that as finding out that Finn's dad was Lando or Poe's was Wedge. Because it's a huge galaxy, not everything similar needs to be related.

    Poe, Finn, Rose
    I liked Poe's growth arc better than Finn's, and Rose was entirely forgettable. Poe went from impulsive hothead to hopefully a more measured leader. Leia may have tolerated it but Holdo did not. In fact, since tracking through lightspeed is thought to be impossible, Holdo likely thought there was a mole on the ship and left Poe out of her plans, forcing him to do what he thought needed to be done. In the end, Holdo saves the day with her plan and sacrifice, and Poe only succeeds in nearly getting Finn and Rose killed. Finn changed from a runaway to someone willing to give his life for the cause, but this arc seemed much less thought out. The whole Rose-Finn-what-stays-in-Vegas bit should really just have stayed there - seemed like the Rathtar segment in ep7 or the Factory scene in ep2. I dread watching that again. However - watching Poe meet Rey was kinda great.

    Other thoughts
    Overall, I wasn't overly impressed with the cinematography in the film. The environments just weren't very interesting (deep space, island, space Montecarlo, salt flats). It also seemed to lack a lot of the fun that TFA had. Also, Leia seemed pretty much a wasted character, as did Phasma (again). The beginning and ending battles were decent but not great, and the space-chase in the middle utterly unnecessary (send 2-3 escort SDs into lightspeed ahead of the cruiser - game over). So other than the relationships between the main three, which I felt was very well written, it wasn't a very engaging movie action-wise. So I'd have to rate this movie about average in the SW set, somewhere below the original trilogy and above the prequels, possibly equal to R1 and TFA but for completely different reasons (TLJ was TFA's polar opposite).
    xSWCr - Nov '15 shard - swgoh.gg kalidor-m
  • I think that's overly pessimistic. Snoke is dead. For every piece of weird nonsense Abrams has pulled out over his career I can't see him undoing that, it's way too big of a not to untangle.

    As for Rey, I could see him shifting Kylo's plea into a deception, and I would be fine with that because given what's already in 7 i think that makes more sense. Additionally, how many trilogies do we get that big revelation that something we were led to believe turns out to be untrue and the truth is a potential gamechanger? Almost all of them? The original trilogy is a great example.
  • DatBoi
    3609 posts Member
    fascizio wrote: »
    JJ Abrams is directing episode IX. I wouldn't put it past him to resurrect Snoke or make Kylo out to be a liar (about Rey's parents). Anything is possible at this point. It makes me wonder how many (if any) of the story arcs were planned out for the entire trilogy, or are they just making it up as they go.

    Honestly, I would prefer that Kylo be lying to try and turn Rey. I would like if Rey 'came from nothing' .... If not for all the inconsistencies it would inject into Ep.7. Kylo says "It is you" when she force pulls the lightsaber away from him. Why would he know her if her parents were nobody scavengers? Multiple times throughout they imply Han has an idea who she is, like the jump cut away from the conversation when Maz asks him about Rey. If her parents truly sold her "for a few drinks" how could they afford to fly away in a ship like we see in the flashback? So much of 7 doesn't make senses if Kylo is telling the truth. But if she were of Jedi lineage in some way, he has every reason to lie and hide that fact from her.

    I dont see how any of those are inconsistencies. As established in TLJ, snoke has been telling kylo about the inevitable rise in the light side to match his power. They both assumed that rise would be Luke which is why Kylo was so surprised to see Rey.

    Nobody said the ship in TFA was owned by reys parents. Sometimes people simply pay for one way trips either on a shuttle, or paying an individual with their own ship (hmm, where have we seen that before?)

    I’m also confused why 1) her parentage is such a big deal and 2) why her parents not being important characters is getting everyone’s panties in a twist. I mean, i understand why it would be difficult to grasp if you thought her lineage should be a direct factor into her strength, but what we got is waaaay more interesting and makes her draw to the dark side so much more powerful.

    Do people not like the scene where kylo offers his hand? Cause that only works if rey isn’t living in someone’s shadow. She really doesn’t have much obligation to the resistance and if snoke is dead, there’s not much preventing her from joing the First Order. Because her parents are nobodies, the decision is all hers.

    Finally we’re getting truly new characters who don’t rely on previously existing ones to be interesting, but people inflate the importance of insignificant “rules” so that they can’t just appreciate the story.
  • Nauros
    4819 posts Member
    I for one didn't believe what Kylo said about Rey's parents for one second. Think about it, he is trying to turn her by convincing her that she has nobody but him. Family ties to past heroes would pose a problem here, whereas her parents being drunken nobodies only strenghtens his position. And he is at the same time completing his turn towards darkness, he has no reason to tell the truth.
  • I still wait for jar jar
  • Hannibal_Bexus
    620 posts Member
    edited December 2017
    fascizio wrote: »
    I think that's overly pessimistic. Snoke is dead. For every piece of weird nonsense Abrams has pulled out over his career I can't see him undoing that, it's way too big of a not to untangle.

    I only brought it up because of all of the Snoke backstory theory.
    If he was truly ancient as most people thought.
    If he was a uber powerful as most people assumed.
    If he was in recovery from a severe beating as we were led to believe.
    Could one lightsaber stroke kill him? Why would he not recover from this as well? It looked like he had his head split in half before, so, I can't rule it out. It's possible Snoke wasn't even in the room with Kylo. Luke fooled him...
    Snoke was JJ's creation and Johnson killed him. JJ is back now and wants to try to leave a bigger mark on the franchise than Johnson did.
    Stranger things have happened. I hope he could come up with something better than this. We'll see...
    I'm just saying that I wouldn't take anything for granted at this point.
  • DatBoi wrote: »
    fascizio wrote: »
    JJ Abrams is directing episode IX. I wouldn't put it past him to resurrect Snoke or make Kylo out to be a liar (about Rey's parents). Anything is possible at this point. It makes me wonder how many (if any) of the story arcs were planned out for the entire trilogy, or are they just making it up as they go.

    Honestly, I would prefer that Kylo be lying to try and turn Rey. I would like if Rey 'came from nothing' .... If not for all the inconsistencies it would inject into Ep.7. Kylo says "It is you" when she force pulls the lightsaber away from him. Why would he know her if her parents were nobody scavengers? Multiple times throughout they imply Han has an idea who she is, like the jump cut away from the conversation when Maz asks him about Rey. If her parents truly sold her "for a few drinks" how could they afford to fly away in a ship like we see in the flashback? So much of 7 doesn't make senses if Kylo is telling the truth. But if she were of Jedi lineage in some way, he has every reason to lie and hide that fact from her.

    I dont see how any of those are inconsistencies. As established in TLJ, snoke has been telling kylo about the inevitable rise in the light side to match his power. They both assumed that rise would be Luke which is why Kylo was so surprised to see Rey.

    Nobody said the ship in TFA was owned by reys parents. Sometimes people simply pay for one way trips either on a shuttle, or paying an individual with their own ship (hmm, where have we seen that before?)

    I’m also confused why 1) her parentage is such a big deal and 2) why her parents not being important characters is getting everyone’s panties in a twist. I mean, i understand why it would be difficult to grasp if you thought her lineage should be a direct factor into her strength, but what we got is waaaay more interesting and makes her draw to the dark side so much more powerful.

    Do people not like the scene where kylo offers his hand? Cause that only works if rey isn’t living in someone’s shadow. She really doesn’t have much obligation to the resistance and if snoke is dead, there’s not much preventing her from joing the First Order. Because her parents are nobodies, the decision is all hers.

    Finally we’re getting truly new characters who don’t rely on previously existing ones to be interesting, but people inflate the importance of insignificant “rules” so that they can’t just appreciate the story.

    I don't have a problem with any of that actually. In fact taken in a vacuum of just this film, I actually really like the idea that her parents were no one. The scene with Rey and Kylo was great, Ridley and Driver did well pushing that emotion there. In fact I personally feel like they did the whole arc between them really well.

    But this film isn't in a vacuum. Episode 7 is still a thing and I absolutely disagree that those examples are not inconsistencies. It was clear throughout that her parentage was supposed to be a looming question. Ignoring all those points in the continued story-telling doesn't make them go away.
  • farqs wrote: »
    Star Wars is a a story told from the perspective of the light side, well from the movies anyway so i’m not at all surprised that the game is geared towards light side squads.

    well this game doesn't use stuff just from the movies and even the movies claimed there were heroes on both sides, like how Dooku tried to warn Obi-Wan the Galactic Republic was corrupt
  • Boo
    4116 posts Member
    kalidor wrote: »
    I liked the film but it definitely wasn't perfect. Took me almost 3 days to really work through the plot and come up with something worth posting.

    Luke - Rey - Kylo
    The movie was entirely about the relationship between these three - everyone else was just along for the ride. This was definitely the most well developed storyline. Why Kylo turned, would Rey turn, why did Luke run away, would Kylo turn back? It had a huge unpredictability to it. I thought Luke would train Rey but his utter reluctance was unexpected. Rey's connection to Kylo making both of them waver in their light/dark sides was great. Even though I expected Kylo to turn on Snoke, I expected Kylo and Rey to join together but ultimately be beaten back, pushing Kylo to the light. Kylo becoming the supreme leader and trying to recruit Rey was a great twist. And finding out what happened between Kylo and Luke, and ultimately why they both ended up where they were at the beginning of TFA was pretty satisfying.

    Luke's Saber Toss
    I thought this was perfectly executed, even though I know many people hated this. TFA ends with Rey finding Luke, offering him the saber.... and that ending scene sat with us for 2 years. In a completely unexpected move, he takes it and throws it away. In that single gesture, the director establishes Luke's complete rejection of his past and the Jedi. It does so without a single word, completely blindsiding the audience and shattering expectations right away. The laughter was more a reaction to its complete unexpectedness.

    Luke's Taunt
    A lot of people saying they hated this "bit of humour" as well. I didn't see it that way at all. Luke's entire purpose on the salt flats was to buy time for the Resistance to escape, and he did this by baiting Kylo. After surviving the barrage (which of course a projection could easily do), he steps out and taunts Kylo by brushing the dust off his shoulder. I thought this worked perfectly. He knew exactly what would enrage Kylo - calm in the midst of ineffective massive destruction. Kylo took the bait, and the remaining Resistance escaped.

    Luke's Sacrifice
    Luke's death at the end was perfectly fitting, and it has to do with what he taught Rey in the beginning - light, dark, the balance. Rey's force awareness came about because of the huge imbalance in the force that Kylo caused. I'm guessing that Snoke came about because of the huge imbalance Luke caused (along with his jedi padawans). Now that Snoke is gone, and Kylo and Rey are balancing each other, Luke became the imbalance. He'd cut himself off from the force (as mentioned to Rey) possibly to avoid upsetting the balance. His huge use of the force projecting himself halfway across the galaxy upset it, so I believe his sacrifice was to right that balance, to avoid another dark side user rising.

    Rey's Parents
    Thank goodness they were nobody - I'd hoped for this ever since reading most of the early theories (which I thought were all too contrived to really be that interesting). She rose in opposition to Kylo's upset of the balance, which is a huge theme in TLJ, and that wouldn't have happened with force sensitive parents. If it had been Kenobi, Palpatine or Luke, I would have felt the same way about that as finding out that Finn's dad was Lando or Poe's was Wedge. Because it's a huge galaxy, not everything similar needs to be related.

    Poe, Finn, Rose
    I liked Poe's growth arc better than Finn's, and Rose was entirely forgettable. Poe went from impulsive hothead to hopefully a more measured leader. Leia may have tolerated it but Holdo did not. In fact, since tracking through lightspeed is thought to be impossible, Holdo likely thought there was a mole on the ship and left Poe out of her plans, forcing him to do what he thought needed to be done. In the end, Holdo saves the day with her plan and sacrifice, and Poe only succeeds in nearly getting Finn and Rose killed. Finn changed from a runaway to someone willing to give his life for the cause, but this arc seemed much less thought out. The whole Rose-Finn-what-stays-in-Vegas bit should really just have stayed there - seemed like the Rathtar segment in ep7 or the Factory scene in ep2. I dread watching that again. However - watching Poe meet Rey was kinda great.

    Other thoughts
    Overall, I wasn't overly impressed with the cinematography in the film. The environments just weren't very interesting (deep space, island, space Montecarlo, salt flats). It also seemed to lack a lot of the fun that TFA had. Also, Leia seemed pretty much a wasted character, as did Phasma (again). The beginning and ending battles were decent but not great, and the space-chase in the middle utterly unnecessary (send 2-3 escort SDs into lightspeed ahead of the cruiser - game over). So other than the relationships between the main three, which I felt was very well written, it wasn't a very engaging movie action-wise. So I'd have to rate this movie about average in the SW set, somewhere below the original trilogy and above the prequels, possibly equal to R1 and TFA but for completely different reasons (TLJ was TFA's polar opposite).

    This is a good post and my thoughts exactly. I still did not like Luke's death though and thought it should have been something more than what it was, but you are right in your post and your words give it some justification.

    This movie certainly took the predictability of Star Wars out of the franchise as I was sure we would see luke in action in this one and Snoke would meet his end in E9, but we got twisted as an audience and so I was left wondering what the hec are they going to do with E9.

    Rey has the Jedi Texts and presumably the knowledge to rebuild a lightsaber of her own. Also it is clear there are other force sensitive beings in the galaxy - will she start training them.

    Or was this child in the end scene a hint that no matter what we they do - like Luke's sacrifice into the force to prevent another dark-sider rising to be his equal - there would always be the force, there will always be users of that force who will either be good or bad - so did his sacrifice really mean anything??? Also Leia (is not trained as Jedi, but is certainly not "cut off" from the force either). She is still a power in the galaxy as well and serves the good/light, so where is her equal in the galaxy?

    Also - Kylo is now Supreme Leader of the FO (a position Vader never took from Emperor Palpatine) and has his Knights of Ren - this could get very interesting.

    Perhaps new force sensitives will rise to aid Rey. It was always hinted that Finn was force sensitive from early TFA media (holding lightsaber) so perhaps that will hold true - plus his ability to reject the indoctrination of the First Order (something never been done before). Also Poe, his abilities as a pilot go beyond anything we have seen from Wedge, Han, Luke or indeed Anakin.

    I know its all a stretch, but Rey to combat Supreme Leader Kylo Ren as well as his Knights of Ren (who are obviously the force sensitive Jedi trainees of Luke, that left to follow Kylo) - can Rey alone be the only force sensitive being to destroy multiple threats?
  • It was stated somewhere that the Knights of Ren were all former students of Luke's. Those who turned joined Kylo and the Knights of Ren. Those who did not turn were killed. Why did they not wield lightsabers in the force vision? Where did they go? Were they the Praetorian Guard? If so, why didn't they just join Kylo after the death of Snoke?
  • Boo
    4116 posts Member
    You are right, the Knights of Ren were former students of Luke's.

    If Ben destroyed Luke's new jedi academy prior to becoming Kylo Ren - then the force vision in TFA is something different.

    Why they do not use lightsabers? I don't know - perhaps they hadn't trained in using lightsabers yet, as Ben Solo had. Perhaps Ben was more of an advanced student.

    That was then - perhaps since the time of Rey's force vision in TFA or even just the time between E8 and E9 - maybe they will wield lightsabers when they make an appearance.

    Snoke's guards are just that - guards. They are Elite Praetorian Guards and are different than the Knights of Ren. They were loyal only to Snoke and were destroyed.
  • I'd much rather have face-on-the-ground snoke
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  • Nauros wrote: »
    I for one didn't believe what Kylo said about Rey's parents for one second. Think about it, he is trying to turn her by convincing her that she has nobody but him. Family ties to past heroes would pose a problem here, whereas her parents being drunken nobodies only strenghtens his position. And he is at the same time completing his turn towards darkness, he has no reason to tell the truth.

    Rey was able to tell zKylo his deepest fear in TFA. I don't think he'd be able to hide a lie that big from her. Moreover, when he confronts Rey with this revelation, she doesn't object. It's as if she knows it's true.

    I dunno. I personally believe kylo is telling the truth. I think it's a great departure from the usual importance of bloodlines which started in ESB (to great effect, of course) and continued in RotJ and the prequels. It was another example of this film subverting expectations.
    The field of battle is like the mongoose. Slow to joviality, but thirsty for morning sunshine.
    -Sun Tzu
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  • Hannibal_Bexus
    620 posts Member
    edited December 2017
    Boo wrote: »
    I think it was a bad idea to have different directors write their own movies. I want to know what J.J. Abrams would have done with Snoke and Rey's parents.

    I think Han Solo's movie next year is gonna be a **** show - different directors for the same movie, due to walk outs/firing.

    I think a Han Solo movie was a bad idea anyways.

    Ya true - interesting to see what direction JJ would have taken TLJ, but if we can go by the force awakens, it likely would have mirrored TESB completely. What we got was a close comparison to TESB anyways.

    TFA mirroring ANH was Kathleen Turner's call to play it safe. I knew TLJ would be a little more off-the-cuff, and I fully expect episode IX to take it further.
  • DemonKingBALOR
    110 posts Member
    edited December 2017
    fascizio wrote: »
    As a huge fan of SW, I have read all the books in the new canon, watched EVERYTHING, played all of the games etc. After seeing TLJ I have never been more disappointed in a movie in my life. Literally everything about it was garbage. Whoever the writers are, they need to take a basic fiction writing class, because they obviously have no idea what they are doing.

    And I honestly couldn't disagree more. What exactly was "garbage?" Because, outside of the Leia bridge scene that seemed way out of place given the only time we've seen her "use" the force has been passive stuff like sensing people in distress or sensing people dying, I can't think of anything that I had a negative opinion on. Some meh moments to be sure, but some awesome stuff in there as well.

    um for starters they didnt focus enough of reys journey secondly. this was more hey lets focus on the rebels 2.0 for over 2 bloody hours . where there on a ship the whole **** movie. can you or any star wars fan honestly sit there and say reys jedi journey was great let alone the film was flawless or better than esb? come on man . im not one of those guys who says someone isnt a true fan but fans have the right to be critical . things wont change if they kiss the butts of whomever did the film comic tv show ect . the story was all over the place. i like rian johnson but seriously what the heck was he on when doing the script ? you have all this interesting stuff mentioned and already forgot about or didnt care to flesh out better. the whole thing of why ben really turned that could have been the film but nope we needed some forced **** romance a terrible political quest and a wasted charachter like snoke who was built to be this ultimate evil and yet gets taken out like nothing? im one of the biggest star wars fans you will know heck i didnt mind some of the stuff like luke dying or new force powers but lets be real its trash . if you like it fine great im happy for you but just remember everyone likes and dislikes things
  • Snoke. Why?
    Let's face it, he's a complete disappointment of a character.
    He was introduced in The Force Awakens with very little back story or context.
    All we knew was that he'd seen the rise and fall of the Empire. Was he around during the Republic days? Was he a Sith then? Did he ever meet Palaptine? Is he more powerful than Palpatine?
    Is he Mace Windu? Is he Darth Plagueis?
    Well frankly none of these questions even matter any more.
    Disney did a Count Dooku with him. They introduced a character, gave him about 5 minutes' screen time, tried to convince the audience he was all powerful and mighty and then killed him off.
    Then left it to The Clone Wars cartoon to try and fill in some actual substance... maybe one day a cartoon will do the same for Snoke.
    But in the meantime, I'd rather just forget about this embarrassment of a character

    So yes in summary, leave him out of SWGOH, thanks :wink:
  • +1 I was so looking forward to some answers but a....
  • Ariella wrote: »
    Snoke. Why?
    Let's face it, he's a complete disappointment of a character.
    He was introduced in The Force Awakens with very little back story or context.
    All we knew was that he'd seen the rise and fall of the Empire. Was he around during the Republic days? Was he a Sith then? Did he ever meet Palaptine? Is he more powerful than Palpatine?
    Is he Mace Windu? Is he Darth Plagueis?
    Well frankly none of these questions even matter any more.
    Disney did a Count Dooku with him. They introduced a character, gave him about 5 minutes' screen time, tried to convince the audience he was all powerful and mighty and then killed him off.
    Then left it to The Clone Wars cartoon to try and fill in some actual substance... maybe one day a cartoon will do the same for Snoke.
    But in the meantime, I'd rather just forget about this embarrassment of a character

    So yes in summary, leave him out of SWGOH, thanks :wink:

    Dooku was only ever an apprentice, we all knew that so it wasnt as much as a dissapointment when they killed him off and at the very least we got a couple of epic duels with him in the movie. Snoke on the otherhand was bigged up as the main villain with a secret past and identity. TLJ was the worst movie ive ever watched in a cinema (Not just out of the star wars movies either). The less reminder of the epic fail of the sequel trilogy were reminded of ingame the better imo. Didnt even get a proper duel, Like if him ad luke fought and thats how he was killed off i would appreciate that to a degree, but honestly his death was the biggest fail on his part for a darkside user ever
  • Totally agree. Snoke was a total waste of character. The same applies for Phasma.

    I don't think TLJ is a bad movie but it's a huge missed opportunity to actually make a great sequel and movie. There is no consistency with the previous movie. None. They have thrown must stuff overboard and applied lazy writing.
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