Sith Raid Reward Rollback - 4/17/18 [MEGA]

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  • @CG_Carrie Thank you oh so very much! This is exactly what the players had been asking for. You listened! It feels amazing! I took no joy when I expressed my displeasure with the reward changes in numerous past posts, but it gives me immense pleasure to write this one!
    #CloneHelmets4Life...VICTORY!!!! :smiley: "I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere." The more you tighten your grip, CG/EA, the more whales will slip through your fingers (and go F2P or quit).
  • QJinX
    219 posts Member
    Great, now can we fix the fact that it isnt fun?

    A game about Star Wars should not feel like we are clocking into our jobs.

    So ridiculous.
  • QJinX wrote: »
    Great, now can we fix the fact that it isnt fun?

    A game about Star Wars should not feel like we are clocking into our jobs.

    So ridiculous.

    Tell me you would honestly not rather be working in a galaxy far, far away. I bet we could get you to volunteer to work on the Death Star for free.
  • Make update -> failed -> sorry -> said need 1 month to fix -> fixed in < 1 week = profit
  • Wow...super disappointed in this walk back of a super useful change. I guess it was too much to hope that the rewards we get for a tough challenge might actually be helpful...
  • Notnukin
    83 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    Admit they were wrong? They lied to us...who cares after a week of getting slammed that they admitted they were wrong. And even in this post they backed off a previous promise of working to reward the people who finished 1-3 in the raids since the update...admit they were wrong? They shoved 2 full g12 pieces in front of you and you were like oh wow this is great. No it is still less than the previous rewards. And to compound the issue instead of focusing on the groups who were impacted they just give it to everyone. I still find this lacking but hey you folks sing her praises.
  • Rist
    16 posts Member
    Why would anybody complain about this? Suddenly I have compassion for the devs. Extend this olive branch and people still aren't happy. The rewards were nerfed accross all tiers. This restores the drops back to what they were like we asked. Who cares about challenge gear, let it stack up. Give a little positive feedback. Lack of recognition is why people disengage from thier jobs. Good job Carrie, takes a big person to admit when they were wrong.

    I didn't ask the rewards to be "restored" to the crap they we're at before the change. I basically sure everyone else that wasn't running heroic wasn't gunning for the return of crappy rewards either. For anyone not running heroic, this is a sucker punch.

    @CG_Carrie I noticed you didn't bother to reply to my question, though you did to others. Thanks for showing you only care about people already running Heroic Sith.
  • Ah, sorry. Thought the rewards were nerfed on all tiers. I guess they improved in T4-T6?
  • Nikoms565
    12046 posts Member
    Ah, sorry. Thought the rewards were nerfed on all tiers. I guess they improved in T4-T6?

    That's not correct. Many of the people complaining in the previous threads were from other tiers other than heroic. There were several posts from t5 and t6 guilds that disliked the nerf as well.

    Honestly, I'm not sure what lower tiers were pleased with the rewards after the initial change - but it certainly wasn't t5, t6 or Heroic.
    In game name: Lucas Gregory - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie

    In game guild: TNR Uprising
    I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
    *This space left intentionally blank*
  • Balthasar666
    172 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    Nikoms565 wrote: »
    Hawkeye wrote: »
    Oh awesome the lower tiers go back to the same less than stellar rewards. Oh well. I liked the change for the lower tiers. Great for those who do heroic, but back to the dumping grounds for the rest of us. The lower tiers are not worth the effort for what we got at the beginning.

    The cries of whales and krakens are greater than those of dolphins, minnows, and FTP.

    Those doing tier 5 & 6 were also posting their displeasure with the reward changes. And there are minnows and f2p in Heroic Sith guilds. So, while cute and pithy, your statement is also completely unrelated to this situation.

    they were?
    because the rewards got actually buffed for everyone below heroic at least for 47 out of 50 players (because of the removal of the 2. chest at places 1-3)

    so you either dont do t5/t6 or you are one of those place 1-3 players that hates that his guild gets more out of the raid while you get less

    so all those complaints were from selfish egoistic players that dont feel rewarded enough for place 1-3
    thinking they deserve more than their guildmates
    really useful complaints oO
  • jedilord
    292 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    Ah, sorry. Thought the rewards were nerfed on all tiers. I guess they improved in T4-T6?

    they improved at least T4, that is why our guild has dismissed T5 (5 days 50 members hard work) and was running for the first time ever T4 (16hours, 38 members chilling) and as i have seen we were not the only one:
    Ploosh wrote: »
    Yeah, while this is obviously a good decision for Heroic people, as well as top contributors to t4-6, I'm curious if anything is gonna be done for t4-6 people? Once the rewards got flattened, we started doing t4, cuz there was zero motivation to finish raids, even tho we're capable of t6. Dare we hope for an actual increase in rewards for lower tier people once May hits?
  • Nikoms565
    12046 posts Member
    Nikoms565 wrote: »
    Hawkeye wrote: »
    Oh awesome the lower tiers go back to the same less than stellar rewards. Oh well. I liked the change for the lower tiers. Great for those who do heroic, but back to the dumping grounds for the rest of us. The lower tiers are not worth the effort for what we got at the beginning.

    The cries of whales and krakens are greater than those of dolphins, minnows, and FTP.

    Those doing tier 5 & 6 were also posting their displeasure with the reward changes. And there are minnows and f2p in Heroic Sith guilds. So, while cute and pithy, your statement is also completely unrelated to this situation.

    they were?
    because the rewards got actually buffed for everyone below heroic at least for 47 out of 50 players (because of the removal of the 2. chest at places 1-3)

    so you either dont do t5/t6 or you are one of those place 1-3 players that hates that his guild gets more out of the raid while you get less

    so all those complaints were from selfish egoistic players that dont feel rewarded enough for place 1-3
    thinking they deserve more than their guildmates
    really useful complaints oO

    No, I don't do t5 or t6. I was merely summarizing what I had read in the other threads. Obviously if all of the t5 and t6 players who were posting complaints were top 3 finishers only, then it's possible you are correct.
    In game name: Lucas Gregory - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie

    In game guild: TNR Uprising
    I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
    *This space left intentionally blank*
  • ChickenFett139
    1484 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    Bartek wrote: »
    Take a look how rewards are being distributed now. Today's farm. This is a joke and a final nail to the coffin of this raid for tiers below Heroic. My guild is 110 mln and we are doing T4 (yes, **** T4) just because T5 takes twice more time and doesn't provide twice better rewards. Raid is WAY to long therefore boring. The rewards are far from being adequate to the effort people have to provide. The more boring it is (and you just made it superboring) the worse participation. And now with rewards almost equalized what do you think it is that will motivate people to get better at this? What have you done??
    TST_Tier4.jpg

    Actually for T4 you got a full stun cuff for rank 39. And some GS11/12 salvage. That’s pretty good. We do T4 in about 2 1/2 days, that’s not terrible rewards for the effort.
  • JaggedJ
    1348 posts Member
    No reward will make lower tiers of this raid worth doing and for any guild under 130mil GP the light at the end of the tunnel is just too far away to care.
  • Bartek wrote: »
    Take a look how rewards are being distributed now. Today's farm. This is a joke and a final nail to the coffin of this raid for tiers below Heroic. My guild is 110 mln and we are doing T4 (yes, **** T4) just because T5 takes twice more time and doesn't provide twice better rewards. Raid is WAY to long therefore boring. The rewards are far from being adequate to the effort people have to provide. The more boring it is (and you just made it superboring) the worse participation. And now with rewards almost equalized what do you think it is that will motivate people to get better at this? What have you done??

    only twice as long? be happy we need about 6-7times longer= T5 (5 days 50 members hard work) vs. T4 (16hours, 38 members chilling)

    that is why we ar running T4, and i hope all 50 of us are willing to run T5 in future cause the rollback won´t give ge-token in T4 any more... i see a really big problem of motivating all the remaining 49 member!
  • Nikoms565
    12046 posts Member
    Vohbo wrote: »
    I don't understand how people can think this reversion is anything but absolutely horrific for anyone NOT doing heroic Sith raid. Rewards were absolutely horrendous for T4-6, which is what almost everyone is doing, and the addition of more Event currency and the removal of utterly useless challenge gear was at least a step in the right direction.

    Yet again, a completely silly decision and yes, kneeling to whales and krakens.

    I would just like to point out that f2p and minnows/guppies who have played the game long enough are also completing Heroic Sith, so it's not just about the money.
    In game name: Lucas Gregory - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie

    In game guild: TNR Uprising
    I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
    *This space left intentionally blank*
  • No_Try
    4051 posts Member
    So the roll back will be rolled back once come May. Crossing my fingers the new iteration of the reward flattening is more considerate and better moderated.
  • Nikoms565
    12046 posts Member
    Vohbo wrote: »
    That is not really relevant Nikoms. The vast majority of the playerbase is not doing Heroic Sith. The vast majority of free to play players are definitely not doing Heroic Sith (as their roster just cannot support it unless they have been playing a very long time). The rollback is terrible (the absolutely most terrible change I have seen in this game) for anyone under Heroic.

    The loss is even more absurd for people at the low end who are doing T3-4, which requires far more effort than an AAT, yet now rewards simply nothing anymore.

    I'm not entirely sure why you are defending this rollback either, as a simple correction for Heroic only would have been sufficient.

    I wasn't defending all aspects of the rollback - I merely pointed out the mistaken assertion that everyone doing heroic Sith is a whale. As someone who is not a whale or even a dolphin, I am happy with the rollback as it pertains to heroic.

    For those tiers that find the rollback a reduction in rewards, I agree that ideally the lower tiers should not be reduced.

    In game name: Lucas Gregory - - - -"Whale blah grump poooop." - Ouchie

    In game guild: TNR Uprising
    I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
    *This space left intentionally blank*
  • Bartek
    45 posts Member
    jedilord wrote: »
    Bartek wrote: »
    Take a look how rewards are being distributed now. Today's farm. This is a joke and a final nail to the coffin of this raid for tiers below Heroic. My guild is 110 mln and we are doing T4 (yes, **** T4) just because T5 takes twice more time and doesn't provide twice better rewards. Raid is WAY to long therefore boring. The rewards are far from being adequate to the effort people have to provide. The more boring it is (and you just made it superboring) the worse participation. And now with rewards almost equalized what do you think it is that will motivate people to get better at this? What have you done??

    only twice as long? be happy we need about 6-7times longer= T5 (5 days 50 members hard work) vs. T4 (16hours, 38 members chilling)

    that is why we ar running T4, and i hope all 50 of us are willing to run T5 in future cause the rollback won´t give ge-token in T4 any more... i see a really big problem of motivating all the remaining 49 member!

    T4 takes about 1,5 days. T5 is done in 4,5 days so maybe it's safe to say that it takes 3 times longer. Therefore the reward calculation is even worse for T5. This is absurd. We will hit T4 until T7 ready i guess. Clearly there is something wrong with this.
  • Sonido
    81 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    so as usual, rollback only for Heroic tier? all lower tiers stay untouched?
  • Yograin
    28 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    I think ppl doing the lower tiers and complaining about the time needed should also review how many of their guild members aren't pulling their weight.

    These STR threads are full of ppl claiming its 0s for them including guild officers and also ppl stating they send teams on auto. Same ppl then complain it takes too long, it isn't fun and blablabla.

    Make people contribute so your top 3 do not do the same damage as your bottom 25 combined and then you can even have free days between the lower tier raids. If you do not have the guts or the heart to remove dead weight from your guild then you should accept you do not get as much rewards as you could. You should not expect the rewards to change so they offset the fact that half of your guild is in socialism mode. (crying for flattened rewards)

  • Sonido
    81 posts Member
    Doh, seriously, only Heroic rollback? you just lost another half of f2p players
  • So you promised to sort the rewards retrospectively but instead just give to everyone at that level? So what is the advantage of being a Heroic guild since the last change? Sounds like you just cant be bothered to track who did heroic so just doing a large push. However this actually is worse for your top end guilds because it brings the others closer to them in arena. So stuffing them again.
  • jedilord
    292 posts Member
    edited April 2018
    Yograin wrote: »
    I think ppl doing the lower tiers and complaining about the time needed should also review how many of their guild members aren't pulling their weight.

    These STR threads are full of ppl claiming its 0s for them including guild officers and also ppl stating they send teams on auto. Same ppl then complain it takes too long, it isn't fun and blablabla.

    Make people contribute so your top 3 do not do the same damage as your bottom 25 combined and then you can even have free days between the lower tier raids. If you do not have the guts or the heart to remove dead weight from your guild then you should accept you do not get as much rewards as you could. You should not expect the rewards to change so they offset the fact that half of your guild is in socialism mode. (crying for flattened rewards)

    maybe that´s a problem for some guilds, but not for all who are running T1-T6

    if you have invested over the last 2-3 years in the wrong toons, you have a strong rooster but you are on the bottom of the sithraid (or you are a new player, i think mostly 1/3 our guild is new)... my jedis are capable of making 200k, droids400k, bountyhunter 400k, my rebels hit for about 500k-1m, my trooper (they are able to fetch ipd-shards) getting 200-900k, first order 400k-1m, and so on!

    if i hadn´t zader 2m-3,6m, my nightsister 1m-2m, and at least my jawas for p1: 1,6m i would also be bottom of sothraid until the next jtr event arrives^^

    and even if they could make more dmg but don´t want to because it´s wasting time for the rewards now and before... why on earth should a guild leader kick someone out of the guild who is making his part in the guild in tb and tw but only don´t want to waste his time on T1-T6 sithraid?
    we have a rule in our guild, that 0 is not allowed in STR, everyone who want rewards they must help the others to finish it as soon as possible... but we wouldn´t kick him if he don´t participate on the "wasting time raid"
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