CG_SBCrumb wrote: »Hello Holotable Heroes,
With this week’s update, we will be introducing the next two slots of Gear XII (informally “G12+” for the purposes of this post), as exclusive rewards for completing the Heroic Sith Raid. With this will come some changes to the rewards for the Heroic Sith Raid. These changes ONLY impact the Heroic Tier.
Because of the sensitivity of the Heroic Tier and the nature of the rollout of our initial changes to the raid rewards, we’re going to be especially descriptive around the changes we’re making, and why we’re making them.
These are also not the final changes to the rewards and gameplay. We are looking into other small changes to accomplish other goals of ours, as well as some concerns expressed by players, however these are the only changes we are making in the near future.
CONTEXT:
When we released the Heroic Tier Sith Raid, we included a “bonus” chance to receive a fully crafted G12 piece, as a placeholder for our eventual release of G12+ as an exclusive reward. This chance was implemented incorrectly, and gave out complete G12 pieces to all Ranks the majority of the time. (Top 3 performers are actually likely to receive 2 full pieces.)
This gear inflow was far beyond our original intent, and without changes would have driven a gap between the top 0.1% of players and the rest of the game that would have been impossible to close. It would have caused us to be unable to keep rewards and incentives balanced across gear levels in the long run. However, between the difficulty of the Raid, the changes to on-damage effects in Phases 3 & 4, the changes to the Expose mechanic, we decided to leave the rewards in as implemented until G12+ was ready, out of respect for the massive investment players made into their Sith Raid teams at launch. Our first pass at changing raid rewards was not well-received, further confirming that changes could only be made when we were ready to introduce a new, exclusive reward.
THE CHANGES:
Our primary goals for these changes are as follows:
- To reward guilds who have focused and collaborated enough to complete the Heroic Tier - This raid is our most challenging PvE content to date - even as we are making changes to the rewards, we want them to remain commensurate with the effort required.
- To trade value for exclusivity - Players will receive one to two less guaranteed complete G12 pieces in exchange for consistently earning brand new top-end G12+ components. We believe this is a very fair trade as when completed, G12+ pieces are some of the most powerful gear we have released and will provide a power boost almost comparable to upgrading from G11 to G12. Specifically:
EVERY Heroic Tier participant will make progress toward 1 of 6 exclusive pieces of top-end, G12+ gear, every raid
Only players Rank 10 or better will still have a chance to receive a complete piece of existing G12 gear
All participants will still receive pieces of G12 salvage and the same non-G12 Mystery Box as before- To reward the effort of top performers, while preserving an incentive for lower-ranking players to advance - We are reducing the number of reward tiers in order to create clear milestones for all players in a guild to work towards.
First, we are removing reward tiers 31-40 and 41-50. All players below Rank 20 will receive the same tier of rewards.
Secondly, all players will make progress towards G12+ in every raid. Below are the details on how G12+ works and how the G12+ rewards are distributed in each tier:
G12+ Recipe:
There are 6 pieces of exclusive G12+ gear. The recipe is as follows:
- G12+ Component A (50 salvage)
- G12+ Component B (40 salvage)
- Two G12 components (Will be grindable on the Ships PvE table)
- One non-G12 piece
In the raid rewards, component A and B will always be given for the same G12+ piece to ensure consistent progress.
G12+ Heroic Sith Raid Reward Tier Summary:
After each raid:
- Ranks 1-3 will earn 50%-100% of the G12+ components required for one piece of exclusive G12+ gear.
- Ranks 4-10 will earn exactly 50% of the G12+ components required for one piece of exclusive G12+ gear.
- Ranks 11-20 will earn 20%-50% (40% on average) of the G12+ components required for one piece of exclusive G12+ gear.
- Ranks 21-50 will earn 20%-50% (30% on average) of the G12+ components required for one piece of exclusive G12+ gear.
Additionally, Ranks 1-10 have a small bonus chance to earn an extra fully crafted piece of G12+.
To reiterate, only the G12 component of the Heroic Tier is being significantly changed at this time. We are actively monitoring player feedback and progress across other tiers and will continue to make adjustments in the future.
We would love to hear your thoughts on these upcoming changes
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Is this a joke? How much more feedback do you need? Find me a single post that says the rewards are fair for lower tiers. All you are doing is making it worse for those of us who refuse to abandon our long standing guild for an hstr guild.
Thanks for nothing. I usually defend you guys but this is garbage.
While we are on the subject of raid rewards, can we get the tank exclusive rewards that cannot be requested available to be requested? A lot of that gear is locked and cannot be requested but available from every other source
whine less, whale harder.
As TVF said, I could leave my guild and make into a guild which would be completing HRST probably months before mine, but I like my guild and now we're going to be even further behind. Especially some of us longer term players who have multiple traya teams already in arena.
I do 12-15 million to t3 str, takes 30 minutes or more with a few teams, two or three days to complete it, and get some challenge gear I have plenty of and don’t need at all.
I’d really appreciate better rewards for the extra effort and difficulty.
I still hope for an explanation of this completely disregarding treatment, but my guess is no.
That said, I simply dropped from paying attention to the sith raid, I do my battles in auto without even setting up the teams just to keep helping the guild a little bit. Rewards for lower tiers are so garbage that I don't even notice them.
2) On a personally level, I'm a bit bummed, because my guild just merged to start completing HSTR and now I feel like this is still gonna be a nerf overall, as I'm sure we'll end up getting significantly less g12 gear out of this, even with the added value of g12+ gear.
Why couldnt you give us mere mortals a fair chance like putting a piece in the hpit,another in the haat etc...spread the availability around throughout the game to put enthusiasm back into older parts and giving the little guys a chance to progress better towards the sith raid.
All yourve done is put a bigger void in between the rich spenders who have it all and well .......me thankyou so much for increasing the hill im tryn to climb
Edit: looks like it is coming at the same time after all.
@CG_SBCrumb -- can you clarify this a little bit? The G12 components are what exactly? Is it one of the G11 -> G12 pieces (such as an MK6 Stun Gun) or is it just the MK4 gel/equivalent? Or by G12 component do you mean the component part of one of the existing g12 pieces?
This please, lower tiers need better gear to grow into higher tiers. My guild can compete heroic already, we dont need better gear. The hardest part of the game is already handled. Make it easier for lower guilds to grow into heroic.
I like how the new G12+ is gated at hSTR, but based on how this looks it basically says “we’re nerfing your G12 income for G12+”.