Nightsister Zombie Rework: Begone Paper, Hello Fat [MEGA]

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  • BubbaFett wrote: »
    So you're all saying that without the cheese you would never have invested in NS at all, despite this being a completionist game? And you're angry because they restored the completionist aspect to Zombie and made the game what it was supposed to be in the first place?

    Not everyone plays the game as a completionist.... Some.of us play it as a strategist...

    I can't speak for everyone else, but personally, I am angry that a multi million dollar company can't be bothered to take the time.to.design content that works as intended the first time out of the box and have to nerf it all to protect the integrity of a raid the majority of the player base despises... Which, in turn, causes players to lose their return on investment....

    On top of this, we now.have to further invest in a new ability just to make the same toon almost as good as it was before.....

    But you get to strategise again. So you just kinda got a jackpot change in that regard.
    "The dark side, the light... both have merit. Why not half of each...?" - Harvey "Two-Face" Dent
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    CG_TopHat wrote: »
    MmoProNick wrote: »
    On behalf of the NS discord, I must ask, if a zombie with the -100% debuffs has speed up, will she still be able to take a turn?

    She will still be at 0 speed and not take a turn.
    Earlier you mentioned its like a fractured zombie where TM swap will prevent zombie from going either

    Does this mean the 100% coinflip is not completely random but there is some algorithm that takes the speed of each toon as input for calculating turn order?
  • Chewy88 wrote: »
    Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.

    Alright then, name a better faction than the new NS that you haven't already worked on.

    The bh would have gotten the gear I put on asaj talzin and Daka
  • yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    So you're all saying that without the cheese you would never have invested in NS at all, despite this being a completionist game? And you're angry because they restored the completionist aspect to Zombie and made the game what it was supposed to be in the first place?

    So you have a g12 cup? This isn’t a completionist game it’s strategy game and a resource management game. Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.

    I invested in Jawas and Droids for HAAT. Should I know demand a refund because there are better teams now? And you don't know that NS won't be good anymore. I'm sure they will still excel in P4 of STR

    No because they didn’t change their mechanics they just got boost from the raid. It’s apples and oranges try again.
  • BubbaFett wrote: »
    So you're all saying that without the cheese you would never have invested in NS at all, despite this being a completionist game? And you're angry because they restored the completionist aspect to Zombie and made the game what it was supposed to be in the first place?

    Not everyone plays the game as a completionist.... Some.of us play it as a strategist...

    I can't speak for everyone else, but personally, I am angry that a multi million dollar company can't be bothered to take the time.to.design content that works as intended the first time out of the box and have to nerf it all to protect the integrity of a raid the majority of the player base despises... Which, in turn, causes players to lose their return on investment....

    On top of this, we now.have to further invest in a new ability just to make the same toon almost as good as it was before.....

    But you get to strategise again. So you just kinda got a jackpot change in that regard.

    Yes but strategy requires resources and those resources where spent on bad information from the creators of the game. We should not have to pay for their mistakes.
  • yohann269 wrote: »
    It's a choice they made, I invested heavily in Reaper and the pilots. Initially Reaper was not as good in ships 2.0. I still think it's a good ship and maxed it again. But at the time a lot of people were upset about that "nerf" It never crossed my mind to demand a refund because I maxed DT/Shore to help the ship. The NS faction is still super helpful in a lot of facets of the game.

    that is the biggest problem with HT released they made all ships almost obsolete unless you are running bugs with HT you will have hell and who cares that you have 20 maxed ships because they made bugs + HT only viable ships. With other combinations you will have hell and will need to refresh and spend crystals for extra 5 battles at least once if not twice trying to take out maxed bugs/HT combo. And solution for that is as always rewards go to those spending the most, and nothing else matters. Spend and buy your way out.

    And devs won't jump to tweak ships in 1 week like they did with traya/acolyte combo, or in this case with NS team for p3

  • DyloBin wrote: »
    Here's the basic gist of the changes you will experience if you bump Zombie up to G10 for unlimited revives:

    Sith Raid P3: Your scores will be more consistent, but with an added hurdle of some initial setup RNG. Which means an easier setup because your max score has more to do with the beginning of your run than the end of your run. So restarts will be clear right from the start. And by consistent I mean that your scores will be more based on how fast you can burn through the revives and start the train than it will be dependent on how lucky you get after Enrage hits. So, a lower score threshold, but more attached to playing and modding well than just hoping for good RNG throughout the run.

    Sith Raid P4: Your scores should go up because a well-geared Zombie produced more consistent successes in this phase anyway. With the new revive mechanic and an additional source of team healing to fight the Bonds of Weakness and potentially activate Ventress leadership more, I see potential.

    I use Nightsisters as my main teams for P3 and P4 of the Sith Raid (though I like using them for P4 more). I'm willing to give this a try because it just means going back to the drawing board and figuring out what ways to adapt my current strategy and achieve something better.
    If you use them that much, you shouldn't have to try it. You should know from the description that it will infact not be easier set up for P3. Traya will have been enraged IF & when you get set up. For P4 she will hinder performance just as well. Bonds of weakness will destroy her unless kept way down as well as having to use Unbreakable will constanly as she wont eat annihilite. Without her ability to die & be revived you can no longer keep Nihilus's TM down with Daka, all Zeta abilities are now masked. Also she needs to be super fast, this is a major problem in p3 as it will set Traya off & almost always uses 2 turns during count down. They are useless
  • Why are there so many people defending the ns cheese?

    Tbh, i think the only people who are defending it are people with bad rosters who were cheesing their way to the top of hstr.

    Most people who understand the game mechanics are loving this update, and absolutely hate the p3 team. (So much so that they have vowed to never use that cheesy team).


    I'll say it again, great work CG. Love the update. I have all the resources for the cheese p3 team, but will never use it. Ever.

    I agree with everything you said. This is a big Buff to the NS team, not a nerf. The P3 team was a cheap gimmick to begin with. Scores in P4 will be the same if not higher. Brings NS back into the Meta in arena. Good luck dealing with this team in TW. Imperial Troopers no longer wipes them out.

    I don't know about everybody else, but I farmed NS to help my Guild
  • yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Artery wrote: »
    Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?

    by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:

    Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp

    NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.

    Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.

    I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.

    You can use them effectively in all these areas as is though so why say it changes them for the better. This isn’t an improvement in any of these areas it’s is either status quo or a dramatic downgrade. I can three star all of dstb with my current ns team and I get at least 2 defenses every time in tw. How is this mechanic and nerf going to improve that? Answer it won’t. It’ll make them worse.

    I'm not sure what 3 star all of DSTB means. Are you in one of the top guilds that has achieved 48*s? Again I'm not sure where you are coming up with this change will make anything worse. It will require you to change your strategy that is all.

    Or you can change yours! Sound fair Mr 48*?
  • Chewy88 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.

    Alright then, name a better faction than the new NS that you haven't already worked on.

    The bh would have gotten the gear I put on asaj talzin and Daka

    I doubt it, the BH rework hadn't been done at that point. Also curious which videos of updated NS game play you have watched that show the faction completely nerfed?
  • So is this update going live as of today (Wed 9/26)? I'd assume so since normally they don't release a kit update, or new kit, or new Marquee, until the day before or day of release. Also today is a Wednesday, and normally Updates go live between 3:30-5:30 PM MDT, so is it safe to say this will be live in between 4-6 hours from now? I'm also excited to finally be able to have nightsisters be viable again, so I can have a new faction to start working on, because i'm currently done with Empire for now, and need a new squad to gear up (other than BH's) so I can contribute more in TW and TB
  • Still want my rampage zeta back. Can you put it on wampa CG? Swgoh whacky whirl water ride. The enjoyment is only best the first time.
  • Chewy88 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.

    Alright then, name a better faction than the new NS that you haven't already worked on.

    The bh would have gotten the gear I put on asaj talzin and Daka

    Same! That is 5 freaking Zetas & tons of gear that would be useful other places rather than masked behind a toon that has been changed to seemingly & drastically masking their performance
  • TorukMakto wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    It's a choice they made, I invested heavily in Reaper and the pilots. Initially Reaper was not as good in ships 2.0. I still think it's a good ship and maxed it again. But at the time a lot of people were upset about that "nerf" It never crossed my mind to demand a refund because I maxed DT/Shore to help the ship. The NS faction is still super helpful in a lot of facets of the game.

    that is the biggest problem with HT released they made all ships almost obsolete unless you are running bugs with HT you will have hell and who cares that you have 20 maxed ships because they made bugs + HT only viable ships. With other combinations you will have hell and will need to refresh and spend crystals for extra 5 battles at least once if not twice trying to take out maxed bugs/HT combo. And solution for that is as always rewards go to those spending the most, and nothing else matters. Spend and buy your way out.

    And devs won't jump to tweak ships in 1 week like they did with traya/acolyte combo, or in this case with NS team for p3

    I don't run Bugs and do just fine in Fleet Arena. I don't refresh either. I can get into my position for payout with my 5 battles. You just need to invest in ships and understand how their abilities work together.
  • I think a lot of people complaining about P3 of HSTR are being a little bit disingenuous on the timeline here. The Paper Zombie nerf was announced back in July (they all but called it a nerf, clearly indicating she would be less useful in a lower geared state), but the "Death Storm" team was made popular in early to mid-August. Anyone complaining about gearing up NS for P3 only to be enraged by the change to the mechanic isn't being honest with themselves.

    As for P4. Maybe we should wait and see a little bit. I personally think that the updates to her, including the multiple revives are going to turn NS into an unpleasant experience in PvP, as it's much more challenging to avoid starting the revive train. We shall see.

    NS still seem like a quality faction for a lot of game modes, just might require a little more gear and a little more thought. There are not a lot of viable heroic tier toons at gear 10, she might be the first.
  • yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.

    Alright then, name a better faction than the new NS that you haven't already worked on.

    The bh would have gotten the gear I put on asaj talzin and Daka

    I doubt it, the BH rework hadn't been done at that point. Also curious which videos of updated NS game play you have watched that show the faction completely nerfed?

    Bossk was out and they had added bounties two months after the sith raid launched if that had been know that they didn’t want us farming up ns I would have left them alone.
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  • Pan2218 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
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    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
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    Artery wrote: »
    Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?

    by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:

    Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp

    NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.

    Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.

    I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.

    You can use them effectively in all these areas as is though so why say it changes them for the better. This isn’t an improvement in any of these areas it’s is either status quo or a dramatic downgrade. I can three star all of dstb with my current ns team and I get at least 2 defenses every time in tw. How is this mechanic and nerf going to improve that? Answer it won’t. It’ll make them worse.

    I'm not sure what 3 star all of DSTB means. Are you in one of the top guilds that has achieved 48*s? Again I'm not sure where you are coming up with this change will make anything worse. It will require you to change your strategy that is all.

    Or you can change yours! Sound fair Mr 48*?

    that's the plan. I geared up my Zombie from g8 to g10 yesterday. We will see if my NS runs improve.
  • yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    So you're all saying that without the cheese you would never have invested in NS at all, despite this being a completionist game? And you're angry because they restored the completionist aspect to Zombie and made the game what it was supposed to be in the first place?

    So you have a g12 cup? This isn’t a completionist game it’s strategy game and a resource management game. Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.

    I invested in Jawas and Droids for HAAT. Should I know demand a refund because there are better teams now? And you don't know that NS won't be good anymore. I'm sure they will still excel in P4 of STR

    Not even the same thing! Did your droids & Jawas get changed a year later? I didn't think so!
  • yohann269 wrote: »
    Pan2218 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Artery wrote: »
    Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?

    by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:

    Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp

    NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.

    Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.

    I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.

    You can use them effectively in all these areas as is though so why say it changes them for the better. This isn’t an improvement in any of these areas it’s is either status quo or a dramatic downgrade. I can three star all of dstb with my current ns team and I get at least 2 defenses every time in tw. How is this mechanic and nerf going to improve that? Answer it won’t. It’ll make them worse.

    I'm not sure what 3 star all of DSTB means. Are you in one of the top guilds that has achieved 48*s? Again I'm not sure where you are coming up with this change will make anything worse. It will require you to change your strategy that is all.

    Or you can change yours! Sound fair Mr 48*?

    that's the plan. I geared up my Zombie from g8 to g10 yesterday. We will see if my NS runs improve.

    It won’t get any better sorry you wasted the gear. And I misspoke my apologies. I don’t get three stars I complete all of the phases with my ns team comp as it currently stands.
  • DuneSeaFarmer
    3057 posts Member
    edited September 2018
    The thought occurs, we all know problems happen. With the Paper Zombie, it's main problem is in SRT. If it didn't cause any problems there, this "fix" wouldn't have happened. The global "Fix" is just perpetuating the feeling that EA/CG will do as they please and the players be damned. A small consideration is handed out, and we are supposed to wag our collective tails and smile. Everyday more and more walk away from the game. All you (CG) had to do was alter the scripting in the effected areas of SRT and stop the Swarm. But ruining the concept in areas that do not matter is just mean spirited. CG, you have been weighed, you have been measured. And you have been found wanting. How many times do you think you can solve issues this way and we'll just smile and accept it? You know, if EA would take the time to listen to the players, they could break the 4 bil stalled annual revenues and add a lot to it, and be the gaming company, you USED to be.
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  • CG_TopHat wrote: »
    MmoProNick wrote: »
    On behalf of the NS discord, I must ask, if a zombie with the -100% debuffs has speed up, will she still be able to take a turn?

    She will still be at 0 speed and not take a turn.

    That is an atrocious change
  • Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Pan2218 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Artery wrote: »
    Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?

    by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:

    Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp

    NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.

    Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.

    I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.

    You can use them effectively in all these areas as is though so why say it changes them for the better. This isn’t an improvement in any of these areas it’s is either status quo or a dramatic downgrade. I can three star all of dstb with my current ns team and I get at least 2 defenses every time in tw. How is this mechanic and nerf going to improve that? Answer it won’t. It’ll make them worse.

    I'm not sure what 3 star all of DSTB means. Are you in one of the top guilds that has achieved 48*s? Again I'm not sure where you are coming up with this change will make anything worse. It will require you to change your strategy that is all.

    Or you can change yours! Sound fair Mr 48*?

    that's the plan. I geared up my Zombie from g8 to g10 yesterday. We will see if my NS runs improve.

    It won’t get any better sorry you wasted the gear. And I misspoke my apologies. I don’t get three stars I complete all of the phases with my ns team comp as it currently stands.

    again what sources are you using to confirm NS got nerfed? What game play have you watched?
  • yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Pan2218 wrote: »
    Deedlit wrote: »
    They should refund the gears too. Curious as to why no one mentioned how Talzin lead is **** now with the zombie nerf..

    Fair enough. But first you have to return all the rewards you've gotten from using those characters.

    Not even close! They have been farmed through the extenuating & exhausting grind of this game! Specifically MT any and all rewards are earned! What about the damage that JTR is able to apply, & all of the rewards from her. They nerfed her once already. This is simply not good buisness & every single thing should be returned. Roll them back to Marquee. You don't pull this garbage after a year.

    the issue with Expose has been known since Finn got his zeta. They updated it and people adapted their strategy and I see plenty of 5-6 million P1 runs. The same thing is going to happen with NS. People will adapt and put up the same damage. It will just require a different strategy.

    Yes that may have known that was an issue but didn’t feel it was necessary to fix until the str was launched. And the damage should have been higher saying you can to 5-6 when you did 8-10 is not a consolation it’s a slap in the face.

    the players getting those 8-10 million runs pre Expose changes were replaying a lot. Smithie D said in his video that it took 10 hrs to get his run. the 5-6million runs currently are 1 try. I'm sure with multiple restarts you can get good RNG to get a higher score but to me only doing it once and getting 5 million damage is a great day.

    5-6 million Damage wont be happening & I can assure you definitely not in one try
  • Pan2218 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    So you're all saying that without the cheese you would never have invested in NS at all, despite this being a completionist game? And you're angry because they restored the completionist aspect to Zombie and made the game what it was supposed to be in the first place?

    So you have a g12 cup? This isn’t a completionist game it’s strategy game and a resource management game. Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.

    I invested in Jawas and Droids for HAAT. Should I know demand a refund because there are better teams now? And you don't know that NS won't be good anymore. I'm sure they will still excel in P4 of STR

    Not even the same thing! Did your droids & Jawas get changed a year later? I didn't think so!

    They got made entirely redundant instead, unneeded for anything. Jawas did, anyway.
    "The dark side, the light... both have merit. Why not half of each...?" - Harvey "Two-Face" Dent
  • Chewy88
    219 posts Member
    edited September 2018
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Pan2218 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Artery wrote: »
    Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?

    by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:

    Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp

    NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.

    Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.

    I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.

    You can use them effectively in all these areas as is though so why say it changes them for the better. This isn’t an improvement in any of these areas it’s is either status quo or a dramatic downgrade. I can three star all of dstb with my current ns team and I get at least 2 defenses every time in tw. How is this mechanic and nerf going to improve that? Answer it won’t. It’ll make them worse.

    I'm not sure what 3 star all of DSTB means. Are you in one of the top guilds that has achieved 48*s? Again I'm not sure where you are coming up with this change will make anything worse. It will require you to change your strategy that is all.

    Or you can change yours! Sound fair Mr 48*?

    that's the plan. I geared up my Zombie from g8 to g10 yesterday. We will see if my NS runs improve.

    It won’t get any better sorry you wasted the gear. And I misspoke my apologies. I don’t get three stars I complete all of the phases with my ns team comp as it currently stands.

    again what sources are you using to confirm NS got nerfed? What game play have you watched?
    What have you watched saying it’s better in the raids? From how it’s written this will destroy their productivity in the raids which is why me and my whole guild farmed them In The first place. It is a nerf because it will not only make zombie worse it’ll also make asaj and talzin worse In the process.
  • yohann269 wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Artery wrote: »
    Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?

    by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:

    Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp

    NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.

    Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.

    I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.

    You are missing the bottom line..... People invested in this team solely for the fact that they did good damage in the Sith raid.... The raid predates the announcement that they were going to look at making changes by several months.... People invested in something and they will no longer be getting the same return on their investments..

    Not to mention, the toon will now.need further investment.... as if having to up her gear now.to make her viable isn't enough, there is now a.nrw skill that is going to require purple mats, omegas and credits to use.... It's absolutely ridiculous....

    It's a choice they made, I invested heavily in Reaper and the pilots. Initially Reaper was not as good in ships 2.0. I still think it's a good ship and maxed it again. But at the time a lot of people were upset about that "nerf" It never crossed my mind to demand a refund because I maxed DT/Shore to help the ship. The NS faction is still super helpful in a lot of facets of the game.

    Wrong. Pvp & thats it. Even then every ability is now garbage, with or with out Zombie
  • Pan2218 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    BubbaFett wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    yohann269 wrote: »
    Artery wrote: »
    Correct me if I’m wrong please but if ‘paper zombie teams will be unable to solo Nihilus in p4 of the HST’, how will ‘scores improve in p4’?

    by gearing up Zombie of course :wink:

    Nope they won’t improve. If you did good with a paper zombie you’ll do as good or (most likely) a lot worse. Expect your damage to be cut in half due to this and for the ns to still be useless in pvp

    NS are not useless in PVP, they are great in TW and this update makes them tougher, on either Offense or Defense. It seems like most people commenting on this thread completely forget about all the other game modes that you can use NS. With this change the "zombie death cycle" in DSTB most likely won't happen. As with every other change we will need to learn and adapt to new strategies.

    Ok I’m sorry they’ll maintain their usefulness in tw but will not have viability in arena. And they won’t be any better in tw than they were before. This is a nerf plain and simple.

    I disagree, I think they will be a harder team to deal with in TW. I think they will be better in DSTB. I'm sure someone will figure out how to use MT/Zombie in Arena.

    You are missing the bottom line..... People invested in this team solely for the fact that they did good damage in the Sith raid.... The raid predates the announcement that they were going to look at making changes by several months.... People invested in something and they will no longer be getting the same return on their investments..

    Not to mention, the toon will now.need further investment.... as if having to up her gear now.to make her viable isn't enough, there is now a.nrw skill that is going to require purple mats, omegas and credits to use.... It's absolutely ridiculous....

    It's a choice they made, I invested heavily in Reaper and the pilots. Initially Reaper was not as good in ships 2.0. I still think it's a good ship and maxed it again. But at the time a lot of people were upset about that "nerf" It never crossed my mind to demand a refund because I maxed DT/Shore to help the ship. The NS faction is still super helpful in a lot of facets of the game.

    Wrong. Pvp & thats it. Even then every ability is now garbage, with or with out Zombie

    so if you use a team without zombie, it is now worse because Zombie got reworked?
  • If you do not like the changes that are being made, there is an easy fix for this. Find the uninstall app on your phone.

    Same to you if you're upset about other people's priorities. Easy fix, don't read the feedback page
  • yohann269 wrote: »
    Chewy88 wrote: »
    So you're all saying that without the cheese you would never have invested in NS at all, despite this being a completionist game? And you're angry because they restored the completionist aspect to Zombie and made the game what it was supposed to be in the first place?

    So you have a g12 cup? This isn’t a completionist game it’s strategy game and a resource management game. Those resources would have gone to a better faction if we knew months ago when the raid launched that this would happen.

    I invested in Jawas and Droids for HAAT. Should I know demand a refund because there are better teams now? And you don't know that NS won't be good anymore. I'm sure they will still excel in P4 of STR

    Did they nerf the hell out of your droids when they found out they did well?
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