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  Vendi1983

  5023 posts Member

  October 8, 2018 7:09PM

  No that pretty much sums it up unless you get godly secondary CC stats, or your toon has ridiculous base CC. Or it's a First Order Squad.

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  crzydroid

  7296 posts Moderator

  October 8, 2018 7:14PM

  So it looks like this graph fails to take into account that the offense set bonus (and offense primaries) only increase the base offense by the stated proportion. So after taking into account mods and unequipped gear, the actual percentage boost from an offense set is less than 15%, whereas crit damage multiplies final modded offense. However, since the CD set bonus is additive, in-game sources of CD also diminish the effectiveness of the CD set.
  
  Thus, a 2-dimensional line is not really appropriate, but at the minimum, a 3-dimensional surface graph.
  
  See this thread for an in-depth discussion:
  https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/178067/so-will-critical-damage-mod-sets-now-be-useless#latest
  
  In my latest comment there, I express my concerns with finding a rule of thumb, given that multiple variables need to be taken into account. However, for general ranges of offense boosts from mods, people seem to be settling around 65-70%.
  
  But if you think you have good offense on your mods, this is lower, but can skyrocket again when you add leaderships or buffs that boost CD.

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  Tiggus

  766 posts Member

  October 8, 2018 7:29PM

  On a related subject, did anyone study whether it's best to load mods with high Crit chance secondaries or flat offense (% offense are always lower)?
  I did a bit of computation myself and found that surprisingly, Crit chance secondaries are more often than not best (for characters dealing physical damage: with base Crit chance up to 50%; for characters dealing special damage: almost always).
  
  Notorious exceptions are teams for HSTR P3 (raw offense needed) and Wampa, Asajj, FO, Han Solo, Rey's friends, who basically crit all the time.

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  EduardoCadav

  390 posts Member

  October 8, 2018 10:04PM

  The original author of that created an updated version of that graph since the original did not account for Offence primary from the square mod which is guaranteed on all characters. You can find a link to it here. https://www.shatteredorder.com/mods/ and it has a CC break even point of just over 70%.
  
  Like @crzydroid said though, These general rules are massively skewed by good offence secondaries, unique abilities, leadership abilities, buffs, debuffs, oponents etc. etc.
  
  Basically you need a bunch of good offence mods and a bunch of good CD mods and an Average Damage Per Hit calculator to compare.
  
  You can use this one if you like https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_r6qkAzyjNqZ7Lle1VMOqkRaDYRKRZ967IXRjgSidKc/copy

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  Bulldog1205

  3573 posts Member

  October 8, 2018 11:20PM

  crzydroid wrote: »

  So it looks like this graph fails to take into account that the offense set bonus (and offense primaries) only increase the base offense by the stated proportion. So after taking into account mods and unequipped gear, the actual percentage boost from an offense set is less than 15%, whereas crit damage multiplies final modded offense. However, since the CD set bonus is additive, in-game sources of CD also diminish the effectiveness of the CD set.
  
  Thus, a 2-dimensional line is not really appropriate, but at the minimum, a 3-dimensional surface graph.
  
  See this thread for an in-depth discussion:
  https://forums.galaxy-of-heroes.starwars.ea.com/discussion/178067/so-will-critical-damage-mod-sets-now-be-useless#latest
  
  In my latest comment there, I express my concerns with finding a rule of thumb, given that multiple variables need to be taken into account. However, for general ranges of offense boosts from mods, people seem to be settling around 65-70%.
  
  But if you think you have good offense on your mods, this is lower, but can skyrocket again when you add leaderships or buffs that boost CD.

  
  This.
  
  I took several of my own characters and played around with my own mod sets and calculated the break even crit chance. It was pretty consistently in the 70-80% range.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9oEMdHoo7U

  Visit my SWGoH YouTube Channel

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