GA Opponent Places No Ground Defense And Can Win?!
December 31, 2018 9:49PM
edited December 2018
So, my opponent placed only his fleet for 100 points. I filled up my side like usual. But low and behold, he was mathematically still able to win. He didn't win, but this is a horrible flaw that needs to be addressed. Not only is it against what I interpret to be the "spirit of the game", but it effectively ruins it for the person who actually DOES care about the event. Did I win? Yes, by 4 points. That isn't the point. Grand Arena? Nope. Mediocre Arena? Yep. Discontinued Arena? I certainly hope so. 
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Assuming he used 5-man squads on attack, he could earn:
6x 60 points for each battle = 360 pts
Top zone Conquer points = 300 pts
Bottom zone battle = 64 pts (5 ships total, 2 blanks)
Bottom zone Conquer points = 155 pts
For a total of 879 possible points on offense.
Your minimum points for defeating his fleet would be 16 points (3rd win, single ship remaining) plus the 155 points for conquering the zone. There would be no way that he could beat you.
That's why players who set no defenses at all cannot win the round vs an opponent who set defenses - there's too large of a point deficit. In this case you left points on the table, and could have lost as a result.
Assuming dummy cant beat the ships, with perfect battles Honz could win by 65 without setting 6 squads... that is a good margin for error and an obviously stacked roster. I'm happy he lost, he deserves it.
Though. Honestly. It is obviously still better to put out defence teams of even lvl 1 star 1 gear 1 characters because even if you solo them with one toon, they would get more banners. In the end just more salt added to the GA salt pile about how much people seem to hate the new mode.
In fact if he had done that you would have lost. lol.
If they do do a auto defence placement again, they should start from the lower end of the GP. Don't skrew over people in case they legit forgot to place defences, and make it easier to complete missions for both sides.
Because placing Defences automatically from GP top down makes you have teams with no leaders or completely useless mixups anyway.
As for me, I wish people would set nothing. I want free wins too. Sif I'd complain about winning for free. lol
I do believe he would have lost.
You *did* get the territory conquer bonus regardless.
If they can't do that, then they have to change the scoring and award enough points for setting defense so that this "strategy" can't work.
Exactly...it's a bad strategy by the opponent if they wanted to try to win out on ships and just save everything for offense. If you set a team on defense, even a garbage one, you get 90 banners while the opponent cannot get more than 64 banners for beating that defense. The conquer bonus applies either way....so the opponent here lost out on at least 26 banners per squad....they could have won if they had set even 1 defensive team, lol.
I don't know how many more times this can be said, but there was an auto-fill feature for empty defenses...it was bugged and so it got pulled...it will get fixed when they get back from the holidays.
Would it really have been better if your opponent placed 1 level 1 toon in each defense slot other than ships?
Your opponent would have won handily, and put no more effort into placing defenses and you'd still not have gotten progress on most of your quest items - it's hard to resurrect a toon if their defense can't kill you!
If people don't set defenses they lose. If people set some defense, but not a lot, saving their best toons to kick your defenses all over the map, well, that's apparently good strategy.
At some point you have to let people decide what they're going to devote to offense and what to defense. The current arrangement sets a decent balance.
He cannot win. It's yours to win. You could lose. (Meaning your actions carry the decision)
This is possible in almost any situation by you not being able to beat your opponents teams.
They give you the zone clear bonus. Don't listen to people who say they somehow lose when up against no defences. They have won 100% of the time. Thing is that this person did put a ship defence out, which meant that the OP still had a chance to lose because they could not take the ship. Luckilly for the OP the other guy did not earn enough banners. But if they other guy did put out defence of one lvl 1 in each zone, they would have won, lol.
its always in your incentive in this to put down defence teams, just like in TW. You get more banners for placing a drop then they get for attacking with a tidal wave. Anyone who doesn't put down defence teams is making it harder for them them to win or rather, making it next to impossible for them to win.
Its why as a strategy I never put down all my best stuff on defence. its a terrible idea to put your best on defence. Get good defensive squads that are designed to be defensive squads and save your best for attack.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, Kyno. These seem to be mutually exclusive statements.
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It's all up to the poster. That's what Kyno is saying.
There are some mathematical situations where they could place less defenses than a full set, and if they can't be beaten then they could win. Meaning, the player who placed full defenses could lose because of their inability to beat a defensive team. So placing less teams on defense is not giving him a win, but the inability to beat the teams he did set could cause you to lose.
You should remove the ally code from your post - I think it's against forum guidelines to share others' ally codes. Plus he/she hasn't broken any rules.
Discord: Iona Starbound#5299
Why are you posting his ally code? He's not cheating in any way, it's a semi legitimate strategy. It just puts a lot of pressure on his offensive capabilities. He also could've set a fleet at the beginning of the GA setup phase and then just forgot to place ground defenses.