Territory Wars: Community Style [MEGA]

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  • CG_SBCrumb wrote: »
    ORIGINAL THREAD
    CG_SBCrumb wrote: »
    With the positive feedback we heard from the community following the limited-time character bonuses we added to celebrate the 10th Anniversary of the Clone Wars, as well as the recent addition of the Grand Arena events, we’re going to continue to shake things up in Territory Wars as we move into the future.

    When Territory Wars was introduced, it was the first opportunity players had to test their full rosters against other players. Now that the Grand Arena events are running, we believe this will be a much better fit for challenging players who have a similar collection. This will be the arena for purely competitive play.

    That frees us up to take Territory Wars in a more playful and fun direction. It also gives us as developers a ton more options to keep this mode fresh and interesting. We are planning to roll out many new types of Territory Wars in the future, but for the next Territory War, we’re giving the community the ability to shape what it looks like!

    Here’s how it will work:
    1. The community will vote to keep 6 out of 10 groups of 4 characters that you want to see available during for next Territory War. Any groups NOT chosen will be unavailable for this Territory Wars
    2. While the community votes, the Dev team will hold their own poll and pick 1 out of 4 groups of characters to keep as well (For this Territory War, we’re publishing the groups that we’ll choose from ahead of time. See our potential picks in the Dev Poll Options below)
    3. Finally, we will post the Community’s top picks and our picks prior to the start of the event to give you time to strategize

    Other Rules:
    • Any unlisted character (i.e., not in any group) will automatically be available for use
    • The poll will be open until Jan 7th
    • Results of both the Community and internal Dev poll will be posted on Jan 9th

    We’d love to hear your feedback and ideas around Territory Wars - Community Style but also don’t forget to vote for January below!

    THIS POLL IS FOR THE NEXT Territory Wars (1/13/2018). Click below and get picking!


    January Community Poll Options:
    Choose 6 groups out of the 10
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    January Dev Poll Options:
    We will vote internally on which 1 out of 4 groups below to keep! Who do you think we will choose?
    • GROUP 1: Han Solo, Ahsoka Tano (Fulcrum), Enfys Nest, First Order Stormtrooper
    • GROUP 2: Ezra Bridger, Count Dooku, Sith Trooper, Kylo Ren
    • GROUP 3: Boba Fett, Hermit Yoda, Snowtrooper, First Order Executioner
    • GROUP 4: Bastila Shan, Wampa, Resistance Trooper, Tie Fighter Pilot
    ORIGINAL THREAD

    You are going to limit players the ability to use characters in TW? Characters that players heavily invested time and money to obtain or improve?
    Are you kidding me?
    I implore you and your and your team not to do this. I feel compelled to write corporate to express my shock and concern as a player of this game.
  • cfodder wrote: »
    I'll keep going, because it is getting more and more humorous...
    Imgary2u wrote: »
    Are you kidding me??? I spend my money and invest my time to get good teams for TW, and now they are going to be flushed
    this one-time particular event??? Oh, how dare you!!! I wouldn't be able to play it this ONE time!!! I don't care that others w'ont be able as well!!! I like to be in my comfort zone!!! I don't want to try anything different!!! Even once!!! I'ts stupid!!! I didn't even try it, but I already know it's no fun!!! I invested a lot and now you ruined EVERYTHING!!! REEEEVEEEENGE!!!! KILL!!! AAAAAARRRRGH!!!! (curtain down)...

    I find it interesting that of the handful of those supporting this idea that several are attacking other community members.

    Look at the history of what they've told us. If you really think this is a one time thing I guess that's your prerogative.

    There were ways of doing exactly this without royally screwing it up. Use bonuses to counter Traya teams or BH teams or Revan. Let us vote on which ones to use if you really want.

    I'd been debating quitting after getting Revan next go around. I think this just finished that. I hope people learn their lesson. There have been plenty of chances. Spend $300 on a character. Well, next month we will put a counter out. Or just not let you use it. Nice dumpster fire...
    cfodder wrote: »
    I'll keep going, because it is getting more and more humorous...
    Imgary2u wrote: »
    Are you kidding me??? I spend my money and invest my time to get good teams for TW, and now they are going to be flushed
    this one-time particular event??? Oh, how dare you!!! I wouldn't be able to play it this ONE time!!! I don't care that others w'ont be able as well!!! I like to be in my comfort zone!!! I don't want to try anything different!!! Even once!!! I'ts stupid!!! I didn't even try it, but I already know it's no fun!!! I invested a lot and now you ruined EVERYTHING!!! REEEEVEEEENGE!!!! KILL!!! AAAAAARRRRGH!!!! (curtain down)...

    I find it interesting that of the handful of those supporting this idea that several are attacking other community members.

    Look at the history of what they've told us. If you really think this is a one time thing I guess that's your prerogative.

    There were ways of doing exactly this without royally screwing it up. Use bonuses to counter Traya teams or BH teams or Revan. Let us vote on which ones to use if you really want.

    I'd been debating quitting after getting Revan next go around. I think this just finished that. I hope people learn their lesson. There have been plenty of chances. Spend $300 on a character. Well, next month we will put a counter out. Or just not let you use it. Nice dumpster fire...

    Ok. I get it. Making fun of the form (not the man himself!) he rages on - this is bad. Calling the CG devs stupid, telling them to quit job - this is great and aceptable way of constructive criticism. Sorry, I misbehaved. I confess. Apologies, I won't do that again.

    And whether they will keep up their word - this is entirely different story. And they have a history of very poor decisions ( HSR Rewards is the most recent I can get out of the top of my head) - I completely agree. But this one is far away from the worst - yet it is bashed like no other. And I feel genuinely sorry for them. That's it. I'm out of this thread, I already stated my opinion. And I was aware that part of this community is whiny beyond recognition. But (genuinely) I feel that what is happening here is purely pathetic. Not that you don't like it. It is ok, everybody is entitled to his own opinion. But calling them ****, worst idea in the history of gaming etc... Not fun. At least try it. Test it. Give them benefit of a doubt. Don't criticise something that you even didn't get a chance trying... Ok, I'm out, keep your rage on...
  • You know what would be really cool?

    Randomly ban characters and then offer a bonus unlock function you can charge crystals for that would remove it!

    Remember folks, there are no such things as "one time" tests in games like this....only trial balloons to see how much people will pay for until they start to quit.

    The main question is how this move is monetized....and I dislike all of the answers.

    Agreed. If we didn’t put up a fuss about it this time, they’ll try it again until they get worse backlash. Not only could this set up a P2W function in TW, where guild can pay crystals to get game changer characters, it encourages whales to spend money trying to panic level safe characters in anticipation of the next TW. Thankfully, they’re giving enough backlash we can hope CG cancels this idea.
  • I find this tedious and not fun at all. With a lot of time to review the map why not give some zones special bonuses. Or all zones that penalize frequently used characters. Don't make players need to create yet another squad layout and break up teams people have been working (and paying) to PLAY with and use in all modes.
  • Not a fan.

    Working so hard to star up, then Mod up, then gear up a Toon, now we don't get to use it in an event that's supposed to require all your characters. ****?

    Is it to shake up the top of the top tier guilds were they're able to clear each other out?

    Why not make a 3-tier TW that has a different number of Territories based on Guild's GP?

    My lame example:
    1. 30M-99M = as is
    2. 100M-149M = add 3 more (meaning +75 more squads required than #1)
    3. 150M and up = add 3 more (meaning +150 more squads required than #1)

    So the higher your Guild's GP is, the more Toons you'll need for defence and offence.
    When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

    Started mid-FEB 2017, and not trying to reach the top.
  • Ragnir
    118 posts Member
    Who thought removing groups of characters from tw was a good idea? And how did that person convince others to go along with this proposition? I don't usually complain about what Cg does, but this change to tw is unpopular to say the least. Back off from this tw change and go back to the previous format please.
  • Ummm...WHAT?!

    How did you, CG, come up with this idea when all we, the community, said was we loved the crazy random bonuses? This is nearly a polar opposite of what we all enjoyed. You're taking stuff away, not adding, and a lot of these characters are Legendary/Journey/Hard Node farms that punch a whole in meta-squads.

    This is a horrible idea, especially for guilds that are built on TW being competitive. Those crazy bonuses, while overpowered, were a nice change of pace to keep TW from becoming to monotonous without affecting the nature of the game mode. Most of us loved that, and said as much.

    But this? NO. Just....no.

    Give different blocks different perks, or different factions bonuses, or even toss out some Mace-like craziness here and there to certain characters. That's entertaining and fun and keeps the integrity of TW intact.

    Reconsider this.
    CLONE HELMETS!! Now let's get Sabine her epic helmet.
  • What a brain fart!
    Makes me think to quit this game :(

    Why do developers tend to destroy their good running games by unpopular decisions?
    Do you think you get more players by this?
    No. For new players it gets even more complicated. And at least some old players will lose a lot of motivation to grind their teams.

    And especially new players like me are hitted hard by this.
    I am specialising on only 3-4 teams so far. If things/poll are going bad, I can forget about TW. :(
  • Lobo21050 wrote: »
    Dk_rek wrote: »
    This is the most fun iv had in forum in months..

    Its a shame all other relevant issues will never be discussed again lol

    Yeah people are ticked, I guess this one way to get people to stop complaining about
    -Lack of Stun Guns
    -Ridiculous Events that rely on one RNG out of 500 to complete
    -Flooding of new characters
    -Grevious being worthless
    -500 Han Solo characters

    Is to break a part of the game that was awesome and people found some enjoyment in.

    I honestly think judging by the reaction of the player base that they are going to have to really up rewards for this or not do it again after this round in order to make people happy.

    People are ticked and honestly it is good to see and makes the forums more fun than the game at this point


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  • Neegan wrote: »
    Comet19 wrote: »
    I'll keep going, because it is getting more and more humorous...
    Imgary2u wrote: »
    Are you kidding me??? I spend my money and invest my time to get good teams for TW, and now they are going to be flushed
    this one-time particular event??? Oh, how dare you!!! I wouldn't be able to play it this ONE time!!! I don't care that others w'ont be able as well!!! I like to be in my comfort zone!!! I don't want to try anything different!!! Even once!!! I'ts stupid!!! I didn't even try it, but I already know it's no fun!!! I invested a lot and now you ruined EVERYTHING!!! REEEEVEEEENGE!!!! KILL!!! AAAAAARRRRGH!!!! (curtain down)...

    I mean, if they go through with this “one time particular event,” I won’t be able to participate at all, meaning I’m out much-needed zeta mats and currency to unlock HYoda. I am not a heavy hitter in TW, but it’s still one of my favorite game modes. Also, you’re ceasing to make sense. You seem to be for this game mode but are admitting that a lot of players won’t be able to participate. Maybe some sleep is in order...

    I was simply facetious... Because I think that the rage over this (assumably) temporary change deserves no more from me than sarcasm anymore... I have no more strength to explain same thing all over again... It's futile. And partially you prove me the futility of my effort - I was just making fun and exaggerated what the guy said... Of course I didn't mean that the guy wouldn't be able to play at all - he would be, but without EXCLUDED toons. Same as me. Same as his opponent. Same as everybody else. Were on as much equal ground here as any time else.
    And, of course, I can sense that you will shout - Oh, this is not fair! We need a fair and competitive playground!!!

    But tell me in this case, how much it is different from normal TW? Or GA? It is based on one factor (GP) so it is tied to player decision and resource management. You are screwed? So am I, but at very least we are equally screwed (the only difference is your and mine resource allocation outside EXCLUDED toons).
    And at least it will let me (and you) try something new. And trust me, we were doing quite ok for the normal one (14:2) so in theory I should be for keeping it as it is. AND I AM FOR IT. But I don't mind the temporary changes. I welcome them. Yes, I am crazy lunatic...

    It's just stupid, this mode. In a game where people have spent thousands, they should be ahead, they should have the advantage of some Joe Blow who hasn't spent a dime. Now we are most likely going to lose Traya, and Revan, and any other team that is "difficult" to beat in TW because the masses decided since they are stupid with their planning and resources, no one should be able to use them.

    We paid for these toys, we should be able to use these toys.

    Equalizing the game mode for the masses is a horrible idea. If they want everything to be equal, then they should spend the same as the people at the top.

    Communism doesn't work like that, but, I completely agree with you.
  • This is by far the worse idea I’ve seen in 3 years playing

    Why REMOVE toons?

    Why not add bonuses instead? You know... like
    before....
  • Unlike most, I like the idea. Let's give it a try and see.
    Lots of people complained when they saw the bonus on Windu and CUP last time and changed their mind after actually playing it.
  • Nope nope nope nope nope, leaving out any of these groups breaks teams and I've worked really hard at building my teams to have them nerfed in a game mode I actually like. :(
  • "When Territory Wars was introduced, it was the first opportunity players had to test their full rosters against other players. Now that the Grand Arena events are running, we believe this will be a much better fit for challenging players who have a similar collection. This will be the arena for purely competitive play."

    How can Grand Arena be the format for competitive play? Thus far we are finding people not setting Defenses, thus forcing an auto assign feature and people not even attacking if they feel they have no shot at winning. In my Alliance we are seeing over a dozen players every round with nothing to do because there opponents didn't set Ds or didn't attack them. Its quite ridiculous. Given the amount of different player types in GOH, with collectors, Arena focused players, raid focused players, TW Focused players, the amount of mismatches like this are going to be way more common in GA then TW which admittedly has some flaws in matchmaking when guilds go in short handed.

    In Grand Arena you have a new mode, with no previous history, that would be open to all sorts of new ideas such as bonuses, player restrictions, different play formats such as 3vs3. Why not exploit the new mode for your experiments rather then mess with the mode that has been established and a big portion of the community enjoys, and has based there roster development and guild choices on the past year.

  • I rarely ever comment but here are my thoughts.

    1. I was one of the people who enjoyed the random buffs and thought it was fun. I was curious to watch clones, Jawas, or tuskens randomly get a boost in the future and making horrible characters temporarily relevant. I like new challenges so for me this is fun even though I don't have those characters.
    2. I think banning characters is a horrible idea. It accomplishes the part I like of shaking things up, but in a way that is very irritating which results in a net negative experience in my opinion. I hope @CG_SBCrumb you take the feedback and listen to the community. I'm sure the psychologists on staff think this will increase player engagement and spending somehow but the community overwhelmingly seems to dislike it. I love TW due to the competitive nature and do not want to see this become a playful non competitive mode.
  • Well, be honest with us.

    You changed platoons so we 7-star toons like Lobot, Kit Fisto and all the new marquee ones.
    Then you did these legendary events to make us panic farm and gear old republic, bounty hunters, ewoks, whatever else.
    Now you ban TW units (not fractions) and destroy our synergies and force us to broaden our roster as much as possible to remain competetive in TW...

    Just tweaking how to make us farm as much as possible without having to create new content. Trying to control what we farm when and how intense we try to progress... needing crystals in the long run. That's okay, because you need to eat, too. But this right now is just turning the game into work and pressure us to always do more just to build something up which you take away from us the next month.

    Stop that utter nonsense please.
  • Listen, I’m not opposed to shaking up TW a bit to keep things interesting. Banning 28 characters? It’s a terrible idea. Having the community vote on which 4 characters get special bonuses in a specific TW? I’m all for it! Even better idea, let’s do special events where rivalries from the TV shows and movies are highlighted. We can have an Ep. I themed board where Maul, Qui-Gon, Gunray, and another character get special bonuses, a Rebels board where two Phoenix characters plus Thrawn and an empire character get bonuses. I want more of that.
  • Give guild leaders the option to opt out of stupid stuff like this.
  • I offer up reactions from my guild-mates to the recently announced TW changes. Most are F2P, some are Dolphins. I will withhold judgement until I see it in action, but you should know everyone is universally discouraged by these changes. Not because it's different and shakes things up, but because it does not strike us as fun or an enjoyable gaming experience.

    - "I’m livid. I have to think about how I want to react to this, removing characters that I have worked months on is infuriating. They already do it in Tb but now tw as well, maybe a step too far for me."

    - "I‘d rather have new TW scenarios, like Battle of Geonosis (GAR vs Seperatists), how hard can that be?! Bonuses I could also live with, at least it was an incentive to develop less popular toons."

    - "I don't like what I hear. Once again, CG chooses over-complexity and a convoluted gimmick over simplicity and fairness for those who grind. Even their message is contradictory: 'We heard a great community response to the special toon bonuses, so in response we're going to take away groups of toons!' No doubt there will still be special bonuses as well, but I don't like this direction. I fear it will make TW more tablestakes than hard-earned tactics."

    - "They’re taking 28 toons (17% of a full roster... reality is more) and 28 leaders are up for removal... that’s something like 38%.....Oh that’s potentially 1400 characters per guild gone. Look cg it’s not my fault you brought in so many toons that we can clear tw at the highest level... find a different fix... this is not my idea of fun...What would be fun is that if we got to vote every Tb which toons you couldn’t ask to platoon.... fix the stale repetitive game modes first."
  • Another thought: anyone with a less developed roster could be potentially nerfed into Oblivion with these bans. To add to my previous thought,I still think this is an atrocious idea and buffs would be a better alternative.
  • Adding variety to territories by supercharging Mace and a limited number of other toons? Awesome

    Blowing up whatever synergy YOU built into toons and squads by removing a solid chunk of our rosters? Terrible
  • Hmm, negative game play, not just debuffing important characters, but erasing them from existence for the next TW. Seems like Emperor Palpatine may have taken over at CG! This is neither playful nor fun![/b]
  • Decay
    99 posts Member
    Worst idea in a series of bad ideas from the team that curates this

    Step up and fix asap @CG_SBCrumb
  • CG_SBCrumb wrote: »
    ORIGINAL THREAD
    CG_SBCrumb wrote: »
    When Territory Wars was introduced, it was the first opportunity players had to test their full rosters against other players. Now that the Grand Arena events are running, we believe this will be a much better fit for challenging players who have a similar collection. This will be the arena for purely competitive play.

    That frees us up to take Territory Wars in a more playful and fun direction. It also gives us as developers a ton more options to keep this mode fresh and interesting. We are planning to roll out many new types of Territory Wars in the future, but for the next Territory War, we’re giving the community the ability to shape what it looks like!

    Follow up on my other comment since I didn't say it there. The quote above is the most absurd thing said in this post. Saying GA will take the place of TW for competitive play is utterly asinine. I enjoy GA, its fun and would be a great thing to run alongside TerriblyBoring er I mean Territory Battles. However the idea that it can take the place of TW for people who enjoy PvP at a high level is nonsense. You spend 4 days sitting on your hands and then attack phase is over it 20 minutes. Matchmaking is a complete joke, matching primarily on GP may be the 'fairest" way, but for those like me with focused rosters it makes 90% of the fights a complete snooze fest (and I'm sure it was no fun for the people I've fought so far).

    I run TW in my guild and we have been quite successful. You know why? Because we have 50 people who love TW and are specifically committed to building rosters around it and to participating heavily in it. We are always discussing it and talking about counters and ways we might improve our efficiency etc. When we do well we do well as a guild, when we fail we fail as a guild and we learn from it. TW requires a level of commitment and coordination far above that of GA. You will never have that same level in GA since its just me vs the other guy.

    People hate TW? This won't make them like it. Its not a good opportunity for theory crafting, its a kitten-fest of who can make the best cheese. I spend multiple hours every war scouting the enemy and planning out the defense- this change will double that time easily...if I even bother. The people who like TW will try and make it work and just get frustrated, and the people who don't like TW will just keep not liking TW and not participating like usual. All this does is punish the PvP players. There is no upside to it, you want to get creative and have a fun mode? Do it with GA. Leave TW alone.
  • Yea, Hate this idea. As does everyone in my guild
  • Why are we being punished for developing our squads? Territory Wars was my favorite game mode and the reason I have signed in every day last year to develop my chatacters. Please don’t ruin Territory Wars like this. You want something fun and playful, create sandbox mode.
  • What if the community made the conscious effort to not vote for any groups? What if we were to revoke the power to eliminate the 16 characters up for the chopping block as determined by the community? We have the power to make the decisions, but we also have the power to make no decision at all. If this is a mechanic that we, the community, do not like, then the only way to make this efficiently known (aside from ranting over here and on r/swgoh) is to not vote, do not entertain the mechanics that you do not want.
    If those who do not wish for these mechanics chose not to vote, then the biggest factor would be "does the community want this mechanic or not?" Not "Which 16 characters do the community want to ban, then what additional 12 do we, the developers, opt to ban?"
    The power lies with us.
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