All the mirror matches, all the revans being in top 50.....i just do my 2 battles a day and just leave it at that. its not worth potentially timing out to try and go up a couple spots. Squad arena is very unfun right now. There is no non-revan defense against Revan teams. The best defense at this point is to have a revan team that times out other revan teams. The main culprit in this meta being as dominated by Revan is zeta Jolee Bindo. He's just so hard to kill and you can't debuff him or crit him. he's tanky and his zeta makes going after everyone else in the squad worthless. if you don't kill Jolee quick enough, you lose because you time out. Really frustrating and unfun. Jolee needs to be nerfed a bit. Maybe make his revive SA start on cool down?
Right now Grand Arena has replaced Squad Arena as what is the most fun in this game. At least in Grand Arena i get to use all my other teams and i don't have to fight against a wall of other Revan teams. There is a lot of viable squads to use in Grand Arena whereas there is really only one in Squad Arena. Right now if you run anything other than Revan in squad arena you fall a lot in rank, so it really makes the meta as one sided as it is right now. I hope CG adds something soon to mix things up because it's really starting to sap my enjoyment of this game. And i have 3 accounts and have been playing 3+ years.
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Sure, Revan (and zJolee) makes it crazy more difficult to climb that ladder... but given I could rarely break 100 before I got him, and now I'm breaking closer to 50 on the regular, I'm willing to bet I'm not the only one who likes the new mechanics for Jedi in the game. I agree that timing out is a pain in the ****, but there's a guy in my guild who gets #1 in his shard with NS against all of those Revan squads. I still see NS, Traya and CLS squads in my shard's top 100.
Going up against well built STR squads with EP and Thrawn is still a pain in the ****, even with Revan and sometimes I time out against those purely because of Sion. **** about zJolee but Nihilus can still annihilate and Traya can isolate and no one comes back from those. How is zJolee as a single toon worse than a zzMT lead? Or add in Daka behind her?
Come on. Get creative. Play if you want to play, don't play if you really think it's no fun. Your strengths won't be at the top of the pile all of the time. Do you think the majority of the player base is in the top 50 of every shard? Or the thousands of ranks that fall below that still using plenty of other teams?
What do I know, though? I'm just some n00b trying to apply rational and reasonable thought to an argument on the internet.
It was before revan, it will be after. It’s never going to be able to be that different. Not like grand arena, where there is so many more variables
Was it ever? It's always been the most tedious, stressful part of the game for me.
Tedious because it's been a LONG time since there were more than one or two teams capable of taking top spots, and the introduction of mods made it so that there would always be opponents who were just so stupidly fast that they became nearly impossible to beat unless you were as insanely lucky as they were, in addition to having the current New Hotness geared and zeta'd up.
Stressful because it forces you to monitor your position in the ladder every. single. day. to ensure you're where you want to be when your payout hits. I don't enjoy being forced to constantly jockey for position just to get my pixels. Joining a shard chat helps, but it still eats ****.
If I didn't have to play it for crystals, and arena coins to convert into credits, I'd drop it like a bad habit before you could say "Utinni."
Complaining about own choice is strange, isn’t it 🤔
Because Revan teams hold. Partly because of the strength of the team and partly because it's easy to blend into the terrain.
Sure you can climb with Traya or CLS or NS, but you're gonna stand out like a glow-in-the-dark zeppelin.
Also - the Revan team is pretty user friendly - you already need Bast and Jolee just to get Revan, likely have GK sitting around, and GMY as well.
Traya is a much harder team to acquire. NS are good but apparently highly mod dependent. CLS only works with 3P0, which relied on really well geared Ewoks.
You say, one needs to actually work on alternative squads to beat Revan. Got it. Still no reason to complain. Of course you have to work on your squad if you want to rank high.
Even clone wars chewie is able to beat Revan!!!
Still it’s everyones choice to go mirror or not 🤷♀️
LOL my shard has top 50 all Revan, except #'s 2 and 45 are Traya.
That's actually a great idea...bad thing is how many teams can 100% beat revan?
I agree with the OP. Arena is boring now. At least before revans second coming we had the choice of fighting Traya and CLS....now not so much. The meta needs to change seriously fast. Never in this games history has a single team become the most played highest meta percentage ever.
Bastilla
Palp
Un-geared revan
Traya
NS
CLS
JTR
Sometimes a ewok team.
Thats not diversities, because you fight those teams twice a day over a year.
I regularly climb to rank 1 with revan, so not saying this out of inability to climb... but would have much preferred to switch to seps if their rework was a bit better. Jedi v jedi every fight ftl.
You can reduce any number of teams using that argument. What would be enough? 20? 50? 100?
Arena used to be the place where the best of the best went up against each other with different setups of teams. Until recently, there were always different combinations of teams that would let you win. Then the Traya thing started, and now it's the Revan thing. Even when Traya was the top team, there were at least 3-4 other leads that were viable and even held. My shard has nothing but Revan in the top 100. About the only variant is whether they use Chewie or Ezra in place of one of the other 5. It is an issue, and continues to be one.
Unfortunately, CG will be lazy about things and instead of instituting some much needed balance to the game, they will simply release a new uber toon that destroys Revan teams, and then of course that new team will be untouchable by any other squad, and hence we'll see that team line up 1-100.
The Revan meta is undesirable because:
You might need to just believe me on my on the last point, but I can beat the "fastest" teams on one shard (all with 30 6 dot mods) in 2.5 minutes while timing out to the slowest (with a bunch of green and purples). Revan match mechanics have a lot more to do with turn order and RNG (hello Battle Meditation counter and who gets foresight after GK goes) than pure character speeds and statistics. And I've had a lot of practice (two accounts with Revan, once since the first run).
So you're confirming that other teams can still cut it, as was my point? Cool, thanks.
Agreed I get attacked more and more the more Revan teams show up, and it's mostly (I am sure) out of boredom. I use to run top 20 with my NS until I recently stopped having fun in arena, it's the same **** fight every time, and to spend 15-25 minutes of my day doing the same thing it's just tedious. A game shouldn't become tedious because then it has lost all it's value.
Those defending the current situation in arena or suggesting using different counters are missing the larger point - even if all of that is true, you still have to fight against the same team 5-10+ times a day. every. day.
The lack of diversity in arena is the worst it has ever been in the 3+ years I have played - and it's not close. Yes, there are counters. Yes, they work. Yes, it is still a mind-numbingly boring arena - and has been for quite some time.
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I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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I'm not defending the meta. I'm on record as saying hes broken. There is a guy on my shard in the top 100 that has a Revan with +3 speed and none of his other toons have more than +50. In fact I have Revan and just refuse to run him in arena, much to my detriment.
But that doesn't mean that you should not look for ways to make riding out the pain a bit less ... painful.
I'm pretty much the same way. I'll throw him in on my last attempt I'm willing to do of the day just so I don't drop 60 spots like I do when I use one of the counters.
This has been the way the game has always been (at the top of the shards anyways). One meta squad will defend against the most teams. As a result almost everyone runs it on defense. As far as it being boring or exciting, I guess that's in the eye of the beholder.
Personally I found the Traya meta to be far more boring. .
At least the Revan meta requires some thought and planning on offense.
I think the crux of the matter is too many people are just bad at this game and can't figure out the attack pattern required to down ai revans quickly. As a result, many are timing out and not able to climb as far as they could in previous metas.
I am actually. It is inarguable that this meta requires the player to take an active role. It's one of only two metas where you couldn't just hit auto and win. The other was traya, but that meta only took about 25s to get to the point you could kill enemy dn. Then you could hit auto.
This one takes about 1:45 min to get past revives/savior and kill jolee. After that it still may not be safe to hit auto depending on which characters are left.
And honestly that's why so many people hate this meta. They have trouble if something is not spoon fed to them.