Kit Reveal: Darth Revan

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  • If Darth Revan ist the new Meta, you guys kind of sabotage your own game. His debuffs fear and deathmark cant be resisted or dispelled. Sounds something like guaranteed mass stun. Sith Empire Allies are immune to turn meter reduction (and they will be debuffed most of the time). Additionally all control buffs will be useless: foresight will be cleansed automatically, as will be ability block or stun.

    How the heck looks the meta after that? Was it really necessary to make so much abilities useless for him to work?

    It might help beating Jedi Knight Revan but with JKR and now DR it seems this game goes over to rediculous overpowered leader abilities. I shudder to think what the next meta leader must look like after those two.

    You set yourself a high bar.
  • We say the kits but no idea if they are changing there base stats at all and whats dr stats also
  • Nauros
    2872 posts Member
    If Darth Revan ist the new Meta, you guys kind of sabotage your own game. His debuffs fear and deathmark cant be resisted or dispelled. Sounds something like guaranteed mass stun. Sith Empire Allies are immune to turn meter reduction (and they will be debuffed most of the time). Additionally all control buffs will be useless: foresight will be cleansed automatically, as will be ability block or stun.

    How the heck looks the meta after that? Was it really necessary to make so much abilities useless for him to work?

    It might help beating Jedi Knight Revan but with JKR and now DR it seems this game goes over to rediculous overpowered leader abilities. I shudder to think what the next meta leader must look like after those two.

    You set yourself a high bar.

    All the debuffs make DR actually easier to counter, you just have to find a way to use them against him. For example, a well built EP team with Vader could do it with constant tm gain from expiring Ferocity and crazy damage on Culling blade. Bossk with Boba could work as well, with constant regeneration and huge Executes. And if the current teams using debuffs don't do the trick, it at least presents an obvious way for future counters. Tm gain whenever enemy gets debuffed (not just on the character's turn like EP), for example, would utterly destroy DR.
    Revive the stores, the game needs it.
  • Did we just create another situation where investing in a character is bad? Is the best possible team going to include Traya without a zeta on her unique? The zeta that cleanses debuffs from allies automatically.
  • So Darth Revan has synergies with the sith that have in game models based on a game (The Old Republic) that takes place 200 years after the events of KotOR, but not with any of the companions, like T3-M4 and Canderous Ordo, that he actually fought with? Come on throw Canderous that Sith Empire Tag at least, I want to get my KotOR team back together!
  • KM1
    81 posts Member
    @CG_SBCrumb
    CG jumped the shark with JKR and now, you're just getting worse. You're going lose a massive portion of your player base completely (except a few $P2W$ whales and Krakens) with this insane set of reworked toons. Simultaneously nerfing (oops "reworking") those who gain TM (and using HK to stop that too for toons with protection up). Enjoy an empty game room with no Holotable Heroes except those who paid to be there.
  • KM1
    81 posts Member
    Nauros wrote: »
    If Darth Revan ist the new Meta, you guys kind of sabotage your own game. His debuffs fear and deathmark cant be resisted or dispelled. Sounds something like guaranteed mass stun. Sith Empire Allies are immune to turn meter reduction (and they will be debuffed most of the time). Additionally all control buffs will be useless: foresight will be cleansed automatically, as will be ability block or stun.

    How the heck looks the meta after that? Was it really necessary to make so much abilities useless for him to work?

    It might help beating Jedi Knight Revan but with JKR and now DR it seems this game goes over to rediculous overpowered leader abilities. I shudder to think what the next meta leader must look like after those two.

    You set yourself a high bar.

    All the debuffs make DR actually easier to counter, you just have to find a way to use them against him. For example, a well built EP team with Vader could do it with constant tm gain from expiring Ferocity and crazy damage on Culling blade. Bossk with Boba could work as well, with constant regeneration and huge Executes. And if the current teams using debuffs don't do the trick, it at least presents an obvious way for future counters. Tm gain whenever enemy gets debuffed (not just on the character's turn like EP), for example, would utterly destroy DR.

    Oops looks like CG forgot. They'll have to "rework" EP to avoid TM gain with debuffs on Sith empire. To avoid "future problems" of course....How else can they get the $P2W$ community to pay?
  • Reyalp
    738 posts Member
    So Darth Revan has synergies with the sith that have in game models based on a game (The Old Republic) that takes place 200 years after the events of KotOR, but not with any of the companions, like T3-M4 and Canderous Ordo, that he actually fought with? Come on throw Canderous that Sith Empire Tag at least, I want to get my KotOR team back together!

    Personally I hope they give Canderous and the other relevant toons the 'Mandalorian' Tag which would open up the addition of Madalore the Crusader and Cassus Fett
  • Please dont tell me Darth Revan will dominate the meta for the next 6 months
  • Something tells me triangle meta with Jedi Revan, Darth Revan, and Revan Reborn
  • All the debuffs make DR actually easier to counter, you just have to find a way to use them against him. For example, a well built EP team with Vader could do it with constant tm gain from expiring Ferocity and crazy damage on Culling blade. Bossk with Boba could work as well, with constant regeneration and huge Executes. And if the current teams using debuffs don't do the trick, it at least presents an obvious way for future counters. Tm gain whenever enemy gets debuffed (not just on the character's turn like EP), for example, would utterly destroy DR.

    This is my thinking. There are three teams I could see doing well:

    1. Empire featuring EP L & Vader - this has already been mentioned several times in this thread. Lots of TM to be had and lots of damage to be done with culling blade.
    3. Bounty Hunters featuring Jango lead & Boba Fett - As a lead Jango gives BH extra TM and punishes opponents for inflicting debuffs on BH. If Jango can get his payout activated then DR's focus on leaders will be temporarily negated due to the 2 turn damage immunity Jango gets. Plus he and every other BH would get BH Resolve so they would be able to target whoever they want regardless of taunts. Meanwhile Boba's execute is going to feed off of all those debuffs.
    5. Droids featuring T3-M4 / GG - the former was mentioned earlier in this thread. Add in bb8 for the speed and a droid tank or just two droid tanks. Maybe have HK lead or Boba lead to start off with +20 or +50% CD. T3's zeta adds another +8% CD for every debuff. If every Sith Empire toon takes a turn and has 5 debuffs on them that's going to give GG +200% CD to hit with given the chance and another +200% if all the debuffs stay on the next time around. That's on top of the bonuses he gets from his basic and skittering horror which hit debuffed opponents harder. The longer the battle goes the harder GG is going to be hitting both because of the added debuffs as well as the added health he is sapping from his teammates. Keep in mind, that GG has his own defense for when his health drops so, in theory, he will survive longer. And if a fellow droid or separatist dies then GG is going to get a free turn with a chance to hit his AoE. Also, he won't be the lead so DR's advantage there is negated.
  • Reyalp
    738 posts Member
    Ct214476 wrote: »
    Something tells me triangle meta with Jedi Revan, Darth Revan, and Revan Reborn

    Don't give them ideas!! Jeez can you imagine a Revan Reborn. Jedi, sith, lightside, darkside, neutral tags coupled with death mark and marked.
  • evoluza
    2286 posts Member
    When Darth Revan's Health falls below 50%, it is equalized with the other healthiest ally.

    Is this every single time it happens, or just the first time?

    Every time. Till he equalizers them to death
  • Kyno
    21857 posts Moderator
    Reyalp wrote: »
    Ct214476 wrote: »
    Something tells me triangle meta with Jedi Revan, Darth Revan, and Revan Reborn

    Don't give them ideas!! Jeez can you imagine a Revan Reborn. Jedi, sith, lightside, darkside, neutral tags coupled with death mark and marked.

    Leading to a full Revan team next year.
  • GoodSamaratin
    1 posts Member
    edited March 21
    Great more speed
  • VonZant
    3843 posts Member
    Roksteady wrote: »
    All the debuffs make DR actually easier to counter, you just have to find a way to use them against him. For example, a well built EP team with Vader could do it with constant tm gain from expiring Ferocity and crazy damage on Culling blade. Bossk with Boba could work as well, with constant regeneration and huge Executes. And if the current teams using debuffs don't do the trick, it at least presents an obvious way for future counters. Tm gain whenever enemy gets debuffed (not just on the character's turn like EP), for example, would utterly destroy DR.

    This is my thinking. There are three teams I could see doing well:

    1. Empire featuring EP L & Vader - this has already been mentioned several times in this thread. Lots of TM to be had and lots of damage to be done with culling blade.
    3. Bounty Hunters featuring Jango lead & Boba Fett - As a lead Jango gives BH extra TM and punishes opponents for inflicting debuffs on BH. If Jango can get his payout activated then DR's focus on leaders will be temporarily negated due to the 2 turn damage immunity Jango gets. Plus he and every other BH would get BH Resolve so they would be able to target whoever they want regardless of taunts. Meanwhile Boba's execute is going to feed off of all those debuffs.
    5. Droids featuring T3-M4 / GG - the former was mentioned earlier in this thread. Add in bb8 for the speed and a droid tank or just two droid tanks. Maybe have HK lead or Boba lead to start off with +20 or +50% CD. T3's zeta adds another +8% CD for every debuff. If every Sith Empire toon takes a turn and has 5 debuffs on them that's going to give GG +200% CD to hit with given the chance and another +200% if all the debuffs stay on the next time around. That's on top of the bonuses he gets from his basic and skittering horror which hit debuffed opponents harder. The longer the battle goes the harder GG is going to be hitting both because of the added debuffs as well as the added health he is sapping from his teammates. Keep in mind, that GG has his own defense for when his health drops so, in theory, he will survive longer. And if a fellow droid or separatist dies then GG is going to get a free turn with a chance to hit his AoE. Also, he won't be the lead so DR's advantage there is negated.

    All of this assumes the counter team gets to move, which does not seem likely.

    Shock + stagger + fear + speed down = my team no worky.

  • CG_SBCrumb wrote: »
    Bora wrote: »
    @CG_SBCrumb

    Unique 2: Villain

    FINAL TEXT: (ZETA) When Darth Revan uses an ability during their turn, if the selected target is already inflicted with Deathmark, Fear, or Corrupted Battle Meditation, Darth Revan immediately uses Lacerate.

    Whose turn?
    Darth Revan's turn

    Darth Revan iscanonically male. The use of “their” in the description was really confusing
  • Nikoms565
    11748 posts Member
    Kyno wrote: »
    Reyalp wrote: »
    Ct214476 wrote: »
    Something tells me triangle meta with Jedi Revan, Darth Revan, and Revan Reborn

    Don't give them ideas!! Jeez can you imagine a Revan Reborn. Jedi, sith, lightside, darkside, neutral tags coupled with death mark and marked.

    Leading to a full Revan team next year.

    That would do it.

    As someone who didn't/doesn't even like KOTOR, I am simply "tolerating" this CG Kotorfest of the past several (and next several) months. If they released yet a 3rd iteration of Revan and continued to turn this into SWGOKOTOR, that would easily be the notice I need that it's time to move on.

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  • Nihion
    2227 posts Member
    Egbert1979 wrote: »
    People sure whine on here a lot, I’m wondering if the majority are adults or spoiled children, definitely a lot of liberals who are advocates for participation trophy’s and safe spaces

    The majority are players that that play the game, find an issue, and come here to talk about it. So yeah, they use the place that was built for complaints...

    And you’re another one of those “spoiled children” and “darn liberals” people too? Just because you don’t care about anyone else it doesn’t make it right to classify them.
  • Nihion
    2227 posts Member
    DarkISI wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    I understand that DR and the Triumvirate would be OP, and I get that his position as a true Sith was strained, but don’t call his Leader ability “Lord of the Sith,” and then not involve any Sith synergy...

    What exactly do you call Bastila Shan Fallen, Sith Trooper, Sith Assassin and Sith Maurader then?

    The Leader ability never explicitly states “Sith” instead of “Sith Empire.” So don’t call it “Lord of the Sith”. Call it “Lord of the Sith Empire”

    Might be the simple fact that Darth Revan was the first one to wear the "Darth" title in the known galaxy.

    But then give it Sith synergy...
  • Monel wrote: »
    Egbert1979 wrote: »
    People sure whine on here a lot, I’m wondering if the majority are adults or spoiled children, definitely a lot of liberals who are advocates for participation trophy’s and safe spaces

    I love participation trophies. I own a 5 foot trophy that I got for having 100 trophies. Bought them all myself. At the end of the day I have more trophies and people love me for it.

    I was going to say the same thing but I figured they were conservatives with no education or ability to change with the times!
  • Vendi1983
    3422 posts Member
    Everyone talks about using debuffs to your advantage but with Fastila spreading CBM nobody is going to be landing anything on this team worth an Execute or Culling Blade.

    Not to mention massive health gains and health steal for the two critical members.

    AoE guaranteed stun and no way to return the favor. The only way to reliably win is going to be mirror matches where nobody can land debuffs.

    Or... Whoever has the faster DR/FB wins. So speed becomes key again.
  • Vendi1983 wrote: »
    Everyone talks about using debuffs to your advantage but with Fastila spreading CBM nobody is going to be landing anything on this team worth an Execute or Culling Blade.
    They're going to be giving themselves plenty of debuffs.
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  • Entus
    154 posts Member
    Egbert1979 wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Egbert1979 wrote: »
    Now this might just be that I've been frustrated with the new leaders since Bastila, but my analysis of the kit is just telling me it's a repeat of JKR, but re-skinned and given new ways to beat down on F2P leaders. I might be wrong but that's just what I think.

    Awe the poor f2p guys are at a disadvantage, suck it up the ppl that p2p is y there is a game, do you think they shouldn’t have some sort of advantages for spending money on the game so that u get to play it?

    Wow, just wow. You are a sad old man.

    Not old at all just happen to work hard and can afford to play the game, without people spending money do you think there would be a game to play? And if those people didn’t get an advantage for spending money would they continue to spend it?

    When the game released in the US and I started playing, a little over 3 years ago, there where people that spent money. That's fine, but f2p players where still able to compete......not anymore.......and it's getting worse. You think it's coincidence that SWGOH has dropped from #1 lately? That's because the f2p players are walking away laughing at you suckers that blew 100's and 1,000's of dollars for a game that will be over and done with in another year or two at this rate. While I encourage spending some money to support the game, having to spend 100's to 1,000's of dollars on these panic farms is nothing more than pure greed. I guarantee that a very large, and possibly predominate, portion of this game's fan base are f2p. Good luck with the 50 people that will be left on your arena server......lol!

    Salty much? I know tons of f2p that will be getting darth revan. They made it super easy. Nearly 3 mos weve known this was coming. If you didnt save up or partition your resources correctly, that is your fault. This game is alot friendlier to f2p than ive ever seen a mobile game be. And Ive played many mobile games. No one to blame but yourself in this one.
  • Entus
    154 posts Member
    Ok so when is the event? Why is CG being silent??!
  • Entus
    154 posts Member
    Egbert1979 wrote: »
    Nihion wrote: »
    Egbert1979 wrote: »
    People sure whine on here a lot, I’m wondering if the majority are adults or spoiled children, definitely a lot of liberals who are advocates for participation trophy’s and safe spaces

    The majority are players that that play the game, find an issue, and come here to talk about it. So yeah, they use the place that was built for complaints...

    And you’re another one of those “spoiled children” and “darn liberals” people too? Just because you don’t care about anyone else it doesn’t make it right to classify them.

    I’m no spoiled child I worked hard for what I have and if I choose to spend on this game that’s my choice if ppl choose not to that is their choice, but for them to complain “oh it’s not fair that the new meta will cost money or I won’t be able to compete” is childish, if it’s. Wasn’t for p2p players there would be no game for f2p players, that being said there should be benefit to those that choose to spend $$ on this game or what would the point be in spending money? If you wanna be f2p good for you and I love to see f2p guys succeed, but for you to whine about p2p players having an advantage is Ridiculous, and if compared to the our political system it would make them a liberal/socialist/democrat whichever term you prefer as all they can see is “it’s not fair” as apposed to saying “o he must have worked hard to be where he is” very simple comparison. It’s easy 1st pay for the Meta team, 2nd be smart and crafty and skilled and save your resources to be able to have the meta team without spending, or 3rd suck it up, but to complain about how it isn’t fair that p2p guys have the advantage he is stupid, it’s the money they spend that pays for CG to keep adding to the game and having in game support. If it wasn’t profitable to them they y would it exist. Why villianize ppl who pay for the advantage or CG for wanting to profit from there work?

    Well said
  • Tryxa
    142 posts Member
    Phoenixeon wrote: »
    Make those poor souls synergize with galatic republic and clones, not all jedi.

    That's actually a fair point: why *don't* Jedi have any synergy with GR?
  • Revan_Presence
    65 posts Member
    edited March 21
    DarkISI wrote: »
    Might be the simple fact that Darth Revan was the first one to wear the "Darth" title in the known galaxy.
    Wrong. It was Darth Andeddu actually.
    Hortus wrote: »
    Storywise Jedi under Bastila lead should be counter to Darth Revan. Doesn't look it's going to happen.
    The trailer we've seen represents the post - memory wipe Darth Revan, who was never countered by LS Bastila Shan. Storywise.
    SiT is also bad. We all know his only purpose is to taunt and soak up damage. Now, with Ferocity stacks, within 2 turns he'll have exactly 0 defense left.. He'll be as brittle as glass.
    Keep in mind that you are talking about a SiT without the "Sith Empire" tag, adding which might come with a rework as well.
    So Darth Revan has synergies with the sith that have in game models based on a game (The Old Republic) that takes place 200 years after the events of KotOR, but not with any of the companions, like T3-M4 and Canderous Ordo, that he actually fought with? Come on throw Canderous that Sith Empire Tag at least, I want to get my KotOR team back together!
    Same answer as the one right above.
    Entus wrote: »
    Ok so when is the event? Why is CG being silent??!
    Because intrigue is a great way to inflate the interest, if it used right. Like now.
    They're going to be giving themselves plenty of debuffs.
    As soon as buffing part won't be separated from the debuffing part. Which leads us to the question:
    Dear @Kyno or @CG_SBCrumb ! Question about Ferocity. Will it be a single indivisable thing, or will it be separated by buff and debuff stacks, allowing to dispel/cleanse the debuffing part of it? Please clarify.
    It might help beating Jedi Knight Revan but with JKR and now DR it seems this game goes over to rediculous overpowered leader abilities. I shudder to think what the next meta leader must look like after those two.
    You set yourself a high bar.
    Here's an idea. "Heir to the Empire" version of Grand Admiral Thrawn with Ysalamiri collar. Disallows all Force Abilities. Can be countered with a good enough team which, of course, doesn't rely on the Force. And there we go with a rock-paper-shotgun thing.
    Could be fun.
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