Run Boba and Vader vs Revan

Tabub
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Boba Fett and Vader will one shot any sith empire character since they will have a million ferocity stacks on them. A decent idea for a counter.

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    unless they are feared, and cant use abilities
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  • Ultra
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    That's a good idea. It depends on how hard Revan team hits with so many stacks of Ferocity and can Boba or Vader get a turn without Fear on them?

    Good idea for a clean up team in TW or Grand Arena
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    In order for sith empire enemies to be inflicted with ferocity they need to take a turn, and when Fallen Bastila or Darth Revan takes a turn they will inflict fear on your team. I don’t think Vader or Boba will work very well.
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    Return of Nightmare Squad? Fracture BSF, throw DOTs on everyone w/ Vader, apply pain wherever possible, increase cooldowns with Nihilus? Palpatine can't stun anymore but still can apply shock, no healing for Darth Revan or BSF w/ their Health Steal. Doesn't seem too bad if you can ensure your Vader or Thrawn going first
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    Return of Nightmare Squad? Fracture BSF, throw DOTs on everyone w/ Vader, apply pain wherever possible, increase cooldowns with Nihilus? Palpatine can't stun anymore but still can apply shock, no healing for Darth Revan or BSF w/ their Health Steal. Doesn't seem too bad if you can ensure your Vader or Thrawn going first

    but if you throw Debuffs on them via DV first they gain a ton of speed from the lead, so they might outspeed you after
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  • Ultra
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    Thrawn can't bypass Sith Trooper though

    Which I think will be a DR team staple
  • VonZant
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    edited March 2019
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    Maybe there is some way to break it but once you get feared, staggered and shocked, I dont think the enemy team is going to get to move very often.
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    You have to swing into sith trooper first, which will pretty much make sure FBast and Revan will get a turn.

    And then you lose, because Revan will hit your whole team with an unresistable 2 turn stun, and FBast will hit you with CBM, meaning -60% counter chance/critical chance and you can't inflict debuffs anymore.

    And then everyone on the team basically gets +75 speed and +50% crit chance and +40% crit damage, and FBast still has another 2 person fear. to throw out the next turn. And with revan's basic decreasing his cooldowns by 1, he'll have the fear back in short order.

    So FBast/Revan get a turn, they do their 5 person fear, burn down 1 person stacking ferocity, then probably another person the second round that everyone is still dealing with fear(they all miss their turn, and all their cooldowns go up by one so they can all basic attack the next turn, no abilites go out). Then bast drops her 2 person fear on the remaining 3 people, and the next turn revan can drop his full team fear again. They'll be operating at +150 speed so they'll be going so fast that their cooldowns will fast outpace the duration of fear on their opponents.

    If FBast/Revan get a turn, you lose. Unresistable 5 person 2 turn stun on a 4 turn cooldown, in which he can reduce his cooldowns on his basic, and a separate 2 person 3 turn unresistable stun on FBast to bridge the gap between Insanity's. (For FBast, her fear makes them skip a turn, then they get staggered and you can drop their TM from ~90% ish to 0, missing another turn, then they get a turn with everything on CD but their basic)
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    deltaloko wrote: »
    You have to swing into sith trooper first, which will pretty much make sure FBast and Revan will get a turn.

    And then you lose, because Revan will hit your whole team with an unresistable 2 turn stun, and FBast will hit you with CBM, meaning -60% counter chance/critical chance and you can't inflict debuffs anymore.

    And then everyone on the team basically gets +75 speed and +50% crit chance and +40% crit damage, and FBast still has another 2 person fear. to throw out the next turn. And with revan's basic decreasing his cooldowns by 1, he'll have the fear back in short order.

    So FBast/Revan get a turn, they do their 5 person fear, burn down 1 person stacking ferocity, then probably another person the second round that everyone is still dealing with fear(they all miss their turn, and all their cooldowns go up by one so they can all basic attack the next turn, no abilites go out). Then bast drops her 2 person fear on the remaining 3 people, and the next turn revan can drop his full team fear again. They'll be operating at +150 speed so they'll be going so fast that their cooldowns will fast outpace the duration of fear on their opponents.

    If FBast/Revan get a turn, you lose. Unresistable 5 person 2 turn stun on a 4 turn cooldown, in which he can reduce his cooldowns on his basic, and a separate 2 person 3 turn unresistable stun on FBast to bridge the gap between Insanity's. (For FBast, her fear makes them skip a turn, then they get staggered and you can drop their TM from ~90% ish to 0, missing another turn, then they get a turn with everything on CD but their basic)

    If you throw dots on everyone, they MIGHT outspeed you, but you cleanse them and grant your entire team TM. While you Fracture trooper, everyone else still gets their turn, it'll just end up being a speed/RNG fest, hoping that you're able to get a Nihilus cooldown increase off before the fear can set in and just cry as you watch the CBM inflicted on you. From there..... strategize and cry? Wish Nest was a little more OP?
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    Can't cleanse debuffs on other team only dispell buffs ,using a dispell on them will remove buffs but keep their ferocity and if it can't be dispelled untill it expires like a TD then boba can't use the buffs for a big hit , like hitting a toon with 10 TD it will leave them there .
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    Treeburner wrote: »
    Can't cleanse debuffs on other team only dispell buffs ,using a dispell on them will remove buffs but keep their ferocity and if it can't be dispelled untill it expires like a TD then boba can't use the buffs for a big hit , like hitting a toon with 10 TD it will leave them there .

    Vader's Saber Toss and Boba's Execute dispel the debuffs.
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    Return of the geo spy. Lol
  • Vendi1983
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    I don't see an AoE 2-turn stun. I see an unavoidable (not un-resistable) AoE shock. Am I missing something?
  • Tabub
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    Treeburner wrote: »
    Can't cleanse debuffs on other team only dispell buffs ,using a dispell on them will remove buffs but keep their ferocity and if it can't be dispelled untill it expires like a TD then boba can't use the buffs for a big hit , like hitting a toon with 10 TD it will leave them there .

    What do you mean, Vader and boba will dispel all of the debuffs for extra damage.
  • VonZant
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    Tabub wrote: »
    Treeburner wrote: »
    Can't cleanse debuffs on other team only dispell buffs ,using a dispell on them will remove buffs but keep their ferocity and if it can't be dispelled untill it expires like a TD then boba can't use the buffs for a big hit , like hitting a toon with 10 TD it will leave them there .

    What do you mean, Vader and boba will dispel all of the debuffs for extra damage.
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  • Jarvind
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    This sounds good in theory, but once those Ferocity stacks are already in place, best of luck getting a turn to nuke them.
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    Treeburner wrote: »
    Can't cleanse debuffs on other team only dispell buffs ,using a dispell on them will remove buffs but keep their ferocity and if it can't be dispelled untill it expires like a TD then boba can't use the buffs for a big hit , like hitting a toon with 10 TD it will leave them there .

    Where did you see this I can't find it
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    Sorry I might have misunderstood the ferocity debuff , it said can't be copied so I assumed it was a locked buff /debuff with a timer and stacks. The only character I can think of that can copy a debuff is savage
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    Treeburner wrote: »
    Sorry I might have misunderstood the ferocity debuff , it said can't be copied so I assumed it was a locked buff /debuff with a timer and stacks. The only character I can think of that can copy a debuff is savage

    Cassian can copy debuffs with his second special.
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    Return of Nightmare Squad? Fracture BSF, throw DOTs on everyone w/ Vader, apply pain wherever possible, increase cooldowns with Nihilus? Palpatine can't stun anymore but still can apply shock, no healing for Darth Revan or BSF w/ their Health Steal. Doesn't seem too bad if you can ensure your Vader or Thrawn going first

    The battle may indeed start well.
    But as soon as BSF gets out of fracture, your whole team will be sitting there like ducks, vader not being able to inflict dots, sion not being able to inflict pain etc due to cbm.
  • Jarvind
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    Return of Nightmare Squad? Fracture BSF, throw DOTs on everyone w/ Vader, apply pain wherever possible, increase cooldowns with Nihilus? Palpatine can't stun anymore but still can apply shock, no healing for Darth Revan or BSF w/ their Health Steal. Doesn't seem too bad if you can ensure your Vader or Thrawn going first

    The battle may indeed start well.
    But as soon as BSF gets out of fracture, your whole team will be sitting there like ducks, vader not being able to inflict dots, sion not being able to inflict pain etc due to cbm.

    Also, all those debuffs from Vader, Sion and Palp are making their targets faster.
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    Cant fracture if u have corrupted battle meditation so if bsf is faster then thrawn it will be hard
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    xGriiMErZ wrote: »
    Riffinator wrote: »
    Return of Nightmare Squad? Fracture BSF, throw DOTs on everyone w/ Vader, apply pain wherever possible, increase cooldowns with Nihilus? Palpatine can't stun anymore but still can apply shock, no healing for Darth Revan or BSF w/ their Health Steal. Doesn't seem too bad if you can ensure your Vader or Thrawn going first

    but if you throw Debuffs on them via DV first they gain a ton of speed from the lead, so they might outspeed you after

    They get the speed after they take a turn as long as you out speed them, its fine

    They get 15 speed for each debuff on them so adding debuffs will make them fast believe there speed will go up between there turns for each debuff kinda like how dn in the sith raid gets faster per hit
  • Reyalp
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    It's all a moot point. Boba and Vader will be dead before any of this theory crafting can kick in
  • Megamatch
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    edited March 2019
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    Not saying palp will be Good vs Darth revan but his leader will give his team 5% tm when a debuff on enemies expires.

    Every time ferocity gets applied it gets a 2 turn duration or different timers in the stack? Dont know if that makes sense..
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    Vader lead has tm removal that says can't be resisted. Drevan lead says sith empire are immune to tm reduction. Assuming dots can be applied before Sith empire makes a move (unlikely), can any applied dots replenished under Vader lead, nullify the speed advantage with the 50% chance to remove tm?
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    Test
  • Rake6
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    Maybe use Yoda for tenacity up?
  • UdalCuain
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    ****_Gump wrote: »
    Vader lead has tm removal that says can't be resisted. Drevan lead says sith empire are immune to tm reduction. Assuming dots can be applied before Sith empire makes a move (unlikely), can any applied dots replenished under Vader lead, nullify the speed advantage with the 50% chance to remove tm?

    They are immune to TM reduction when debuffed. If you manage to land your DoTs you won't be able to reduce their TM at all, all they are debuffs, and "immune to" trumps "cannot be resisted"
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