If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
My biggest issue is that my shard chat won’t let me in, even though I told them I’d be happy slotting into the last spot in my payout window. Complete silence from everyone I have reached out to...that is far worse than being offered 2nd place...I’m constantly getting knocked back above 50th spot...I get targeted cuz I hit ppl in the chat on my way up, which I wouldn’t do if I KNEW who they were.
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
According to the game rules paying players deserve equal access to the game rewards? That's news to me.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
They already do have equal access. People here as complaining they don't get equal results no matter what choices they make.
If it were an actual casino kids wouldn't be playing but that's another matter...
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
According to the game rules paying players deserve equal access to the game rewards? That's news to me.
I'll try to be neutral on this because, in general I agree with the things you say.
But on this thread, I have to disagree completely. Here is my real world logic for my disagreement:
If all first time buyers are told at the point of first purchase that the game is being rigged by players for top rewards in the arena, and they still buy, then there is zero issue with shard chats deciding first place finishes.
But if people are being led to believe that their purchases are investments into a game where the rules are controlled by the developers, then they are being deceived.
Seriously, I'm not looking to argue with you. In general, I like most of your posts. But on this issue, there are literally tens of thousands of people who have made purchases under false pretenses, if shard chat picking is the rule of the game.
I can't buy into that. And neither can the tens of thousands of micro purchasers who have also bought into that precondition.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
They already do have equal access. People here as complaining they don't get equal results no matter what choices they make.
If it were an actual casino kids wouldn't be playing but that's another matter...
Cool. Then you agree that shard chats being against game rules would have no impact on reward distribution?
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
It's a fact that only a very small percentage of the playerbase ranks high in arena.
Now you can try to argue that the shardchats keep more players from reaching top ranks than shardchats have members getting top ranks, but that's an hard argument to make imo.
For sure it is and I'm not sure that there is a definitive way to prove either assertion correct. What we can not argue is posts like these do come up quite frequently, seemingly more so recently. I think it warrants at least soliciting the communities opinion on the topic and exploring how many would be in favor of a change.
compare the amount of complaints about shardchats to the amount of threads looking for shardmates, it's not even close.
Nowadays you don't even need to make a thread since you can contact your shardmates ingame.
And the reason they are out looking for shard mates is because they....
1) are trying to be courteous so they aren't costing other players payouts without reason.
2) have heard about how chats can be and don't want to get pummled and black listed.
3). Want in on the action.
Point being arena, in its current state is easily manipulated and the ability to earn the main currency of the game should be earned not dictated.
....
So you're no longer interrested in "the communities opinion", you just think shardchats are wrong. You're arguing in circles.
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
I never said they didnt, but many players dont try for the top rewards, or cant get past a certain level due to the investment of others.
Your example doesn't really work. This is more of a race or other individual competition where within the rules people can work together for a mutual benefit. Shard chats are a form of drafting in a race. Yes they work together, but in the end they are still working and trying to win. They are also working against anyone who tries to break up the draft they have going.
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
It's a fact that only a very small percentage of the playerbase ranks high in arena.
Now you can try to argue that the shardchats keep more players from reaching top ranks than shardchats have members getting top ranks, but that's an hard argument to make imo.
For sure it is and I'm not sure that there is a definitive way to prove either assertion correct. What we can not argue is posts like these do come up quite frequently, seemingly more so recently. I think it warrants at least soliciting the communities opinion on the topic and exploring how many would be in favor of a change.
compare the amount of complaints about shardchats to the amount of threads looking for shardmates, it's not even close.
Nowadays you don't even need to make a thread since you can contact your shardmates ingame.
And the reason they are out looking for shard mates is because they....
1) are trying to be courteous so they aren't costing other players payouts without reason.
2) have heard about how chats can be and don't want to get pummled and black listed.
3). Want in on the action.
Point being arena, in its current state is easily manipulated and the ability to earn the main currency of the game should be earned not dictated.
....
So you're no longer interrested in "the communities opinion", you just think shardchats are wrong. You're arguing in circles.
No where in that comment did I say I wouldn't welcome the communities opinion but reading that comment I'm sure you know which way I'd vote.
to me it seems like ALOT more players looking for shardchats than complaining about them is a solid indication that most people (who are effected by them in a possitive or negative way) like them.
Cool. Then you agree that shard chats being against game rules would have no impact on reward distribution?
If someone doesn't get in your way then you won't get in their way.
And if someone new stumbles along and acts like an apex predator and gets in everyone's way they won't last long.
How people communicate is irrelevant. The issue isn't just human nature...animals do it too.
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
I never said they didnt, but many players dont try for the top rewards, or cant get past a certain level due to the investment of others.
This right here. When the top 75 teams are basically all one team, player A's investment is generally no more than player B's. The difference ends up being one is protected by the chat and doesn't have to concern themselves with falling 40 spots.
How does a shardchat protect you from falling 40 spots?
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
I never said they didnt, but many players dont try for the top rewards, or cant get past a certain level due to the investment of others.
Your example doesn't really work. This is more of a race or other individual competition where within the rules people can work together for a mutual benefit. Shard chats are a form of drafting in a race. Yes they work together, but in the end they are still working and trying to win. They are also working against anyone who tries to break up the draft they have going.
I've been a F2P player for probably two years. You have no idea how much I want to agree with you.
But in this context, I am unfortunately right. I say this understanding that paying players keep the game going. But I also know that as a guild leader I would be pretty **** if my guildmates, who do pay, were getting robbed at the top ranks because they aren't in rank fixing clubs out of game.
I'm ranked 78 or so right now. I am not threatening to challenge the top 5 literally ever. But fair is fair, and it is wrong to not call out an injustice.
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
I never said they didnt, but many players dont try for the top rewards, or cant get past a certain level due to the investment of others.
This right here. When the top 75 teams are basically all one team, player A's investment is generally no more than player B's. The difference ends up being one is protected by the chat and doesn't have to concern themselves with falling 40 spots.
How does a shardchat protect you from falling 40 spots?
Don't know about yours but the one in my shard hits anyone once the get near the top 20
How are they not concerned with falling 40 spots if they're already starting to attack when they drop out of the top20?
This right here. When the top 75 teams are basically all one team, player A's investment is generally no more than player B's. The difference ends up being one is protected by the chat and doesn't have to concern themselves with falling 40 spots.
Doesn't account for investing in social status and reputation.
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
I never said they didnt, but many players dont try for the top rewards, or cant get past a certain level due to the investment of others.
This right here. When the top 75 teams are basically all one team, player A's investment is generally no more than player B's. The difference ends up being one is protected by the chat and doesn't have to concern themselves with falling 40 spots.
How does a shardchat protect you from falling 40 spots?
Don't know about yours but the one in my shard hits anyone once the get near the top 20
How are they not concerned with falling 40 spots if they're already starting to attack when they drop out of the top20?
So I battle up to #16. Chat member 1 hits me and I drop to 22. I hit member 1 back and get back to 16. Chat member 2 hits me back to 21 while chat member 1 hits the guy at say 17. So on and so forth
You not being able to penetrate the top20 =/= preventing shardchat members from falling 40 ranks
The chat isn't preventing the fall, they themselves are actively battling to not fall 40 spots.
@CS
This thread feels like actual communication between players and developers. There are some sensitive points, but it's definitely worth getting feedback from.
Well, I finally reached top5 at my regular arena and I have been contacted a person who was holding the 1st place.
That guy wrote me that I have to stay at the 2nd place as they have a syndicate of old members managed within discord and if I do not agree I would be blacklisted in their chat.
Of course I have rejected and you know what? Yes, they all together are bombing me from the top now)
I talked to my guild mates who hold top positions on their arenas. They have the same issue. Enjoy the 2nd (3rd, 5th) place or you’ll be kicked by the majority.
As a person who waste some reasonable cash for this game, may I have a question addressed strictly to CG/EA stuff - are you going to do something with those arena syndicates?
"I had an opportunity to hold second place in arena, but I threw it away for pride and that's somebody else's fault."
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
I never said they didnt, but many players dont try for the top rewards, or cant get past a certain level due to the investment of others.
This right here. When the top 75 teams are basically all one team, player A's investment is generally no more than player B's. The difference ends up being one is protected by the chat and doesn't have to concern themselves with falling 40 spots.
How does a shardchat protect you from falling 40 spots?
Don't know about yours but the one in my shard hits anyone once the get near the top 20
How are they not concerned with falling 40 spots if they're already starting to attack when they drop out of the top20?
So I battle up to #16. Chat member 1 hits me and I drop to 22. I hit member 1 back and get back to 16. Chat member 2 hits me back to 21 while chat member 1 hits the guy at say 17. So on and so forth
You not being able to penetrate the top20 =/= preventing shardchat members from falling 40 ranks
The chat isn't preventing the fall, they themselves are actively battling to not fall 40 spots.
If there is no solution for this garbage, I would prefer to leave the game and stop paying EA)
Most arena chats are thrid party apps EA have no control over that
But they have control over the payout system.
And there in lies the problem. We have many suggestions and not a 1 of them doesn't have ramifications that could be far reaching.
Not trying to minimize the issue, but we have a problem against a small percent (in shard chat) that effects a smaller percent ( those that are denied access) that effects everyone ( the rest of the shard). It is no simple task to just make a change that will not destroy the playerbase and possibly the game when you mess with the source of "free income" for that many.
Again , you keep insinuating that its a small percentage of the players that are currently affected. I believe that there are quite a few who do/did not have access to expendable income and were forced to settle in at lower ranks that would welcome the change.
A shard is 20k. Maybe 1-2k active.
The whole group being 1k (for example), a shard chat being 20-30, players denied access who can attained ranks of 30 or lower, is equal or less than the 30 in chat. Overall many in the top 100 are not going for 1st place rewards, but even if they are that is 1% of the whole shard. That is a small % compared to the players who would be effected by a change to the arena system.
Just trying to keep perspective on how the problem may not be a "simple solution" and many of the suggested solutions are geared towards affecting the chat and not necessarily considering the effect it could have on the other players.
Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
I never said they didnt, but many players dont try for the top rewards, or cant get past a certain level due to the investment of others.
This right here. When the top 75 teams are basically all one team, player A's investment is generally no more than player B's. The difference ends up being one is protected by the chat and doesn't have to concern themselves with falling 40 spots.
How does a shardchat protect you from falling 40 spots?
Don't know about yours but the one in my shard hits anyone once the get near the top 20
How are they not concerned with falling 40 spots if they're already starting to attack when they drop out of the top20?
So I battle up to #16. Chat member 1 hits me and I drop to 22. I hit member 1 back and get back to 16. Chat member 2 hits me back to 21 while chat member 1 hits the guy at say 17. So on and so forth
You not being able to penetrate the top20 =/= preventing shardchat members from falling 40 ranks
The chat isn't preventing the fall, they themselves are actively battling to not fall 40 spots.
I see what you're saying but the issue becomes non chat members are constantly fighting everyone #1-#20 while chat members are not fighting each other unless it's in spots on their payout climb
It becomes non chat are bothering everyone and chat members aren't bothering each other.
Those bothering people will be responded to in kind.
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Honestly, that is the wrong way to look at the situation. All paying players deserve equal access to game rewards, based on their level in game and according to game rules.
If SWGOH were an actual casino, taking money from real life gamblers at a poker table, people would hit the roof seeing a gathering of players at the table sharing cards and deciding who wins each hand.
According to the game rules paying players deserve equal access to the game rewards? That's news to me.
They already do have equal access. People here as complaining they don't get equal results no matter what choices they make.
If it were an actual casino kids wouldn't be playing but that's another matter...
I'll try to be neutral on this because, in general I agree with the things you say.
But on this thread, I have to disagree completely. Here is my real world logic for my disagreement:
If all first time buyers are told at the point of first purchase that the game is being rigged by players for top rewards in the arena, and they still buy, then there is zero issue with shard chats deciding first place finishes.
But if people are being led to believe that their purchases are investments into a game where the rules are controlled by the developers, then they are being deceived.
Seriously, I'm not looking to argue with you. In general, I like most of your posts. But on this issue, there are literally tens of thousands of people who have made purchases under false pretenses, if shard chat picking is the rule of the game.
I can't buy into that. And neither can the tens of thousands of micro purchasers who have also bought into that precondition.
Cool. Then you agree that shard chats being against game rules would have no impact on reward distribution?
What system would prevent people from making choices?
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So you're no longer interrested in "the communities opinion", you just think shardchats are wrong. You're arguing in circles.
I never said they didnt, but many players dont try for the top rewards, or cant get past a certain level due to the investment of others.
Your example doesn't really work. This is more of a race or other individual competition where within the rules people can work together for a mutual benefit. Shard chats are a form of drafting in a race. Yes they work together, but in the end they are still working and trying to win. They are also working against anyone who tries to break up the draft they have going.
to me it seems like ALOT more players looking for shardchats than complaining about them is a solid indication that most people (who are effected by them in a possitive or negative way) like them.
If someone doesn't get in your way then you won't get in their way.
And if someone new stumbles along and acts like an apex predator and gets in everyone's way they won't last long.
How people communicate is irrelevant. The issue isn't just human nature...animals do it too.
How does a shardchat protect you from falling 40 spots?
I've been a F2P player for probably two years. You have no idea how much I want to agree with you.
But in this context, I am unfortunately right. I say this understanding that paying players keep the game going. But I also know that as a guild leader I would be pretty **** if my guildmates, who do pay, were getting robbed at the top ranks because they aren't in rank fixing clubs out of game.
I'm ranked 78 or so right now. I am not threatening to challenge the top 5 literally ever. But fair is fair, and it is wrong to not call out an injustice.
How are they not concerned with falling 40 spots if they're already starting to attack when they drop out of the top20?
Doesn't account for investing in social status and reputation.
You not being able to penetrate the top20 =/= preventing shardchat members from falling 40 ranks
The chat isn't preventing the fall, they themselves are actively battling to not fall 40 spots.
This thread feels like actual communication between players and developers. There are some sensitive points, but it's definitely worth getting feedback from.
Has it been shipped to 'Off Topic' yet?
"I had an opportunity to hold second place in arena, but I threw it away for pride and that's somebody else's fault."
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eh?
It becomes non chat are bothering everyone and chat members aren't bothering each other.
Those bothering people will be responded to in kind.