Can anyone explain to me - without being insulting, rude, dismissive, sexist or racist - a legitimate reason for the hatred some fans pour on Rose Tico in The Last Jedi or The Rise Of Skywalker?
I have genuinely never seen any legitimate reason for the the hatred, and even anger, that so many fans seem to have for this one character. I've seen racism aimed at her; I've seen sexism aimed at her; I've seen her dismissed with "she's just annoying" or "I just don't like her"; but not liking someone is different from hating her. And Rose isn't just "not liked", she's hated. Why? Nobody has ever shown me a legitimate reason for hating her so much.
So, please, enlighten me ... and please try to keep things pleasant.
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Hope.
I will counter with one word as well.
Internet.
I have hope even for the internet.
It's certainly a more hopeful reason than any I have yet seen. But I still hope we can hear from someone who hates her. I mean, I won't agree with their argument as I clearly don't hate her, but I just want to understand why so many do.
And not agreeing is fine. We can not agree and remain civil. As the old saying goes, it would be very boring if everyone liked the same things. :-)
So let me clarify.
The argument you're putting forward with that "fist through the town" / "save those we love" pic is that Rose contradicts herself? Yes?
You've said that she is bad as well as Finn and Poe. But Finn and Poe aren't as hated as Rose. What is it about Rose that singles her out for such hatred? She spends all of TLJ with Finn and all the actions you've criticised her for, Finn does as well. But Finn is not as hated as Rose is.
Why hate Rose and not Finn?
I'm trying to understand and right now, I don't.
I'd place it in the same category as jar jar binks, an annoying side character that really serves no purpose to the story. Though if the Darth jar jar rumors were true then jar jar makes more sense.
But rose is really only in the movie for a pointless side quest and to spout anti capitalism propaganda about "war profiteering". It really adds nothing to the story and takes me out of the movie so my guess is that association is one of the reasons many dislike her character.
Personally, the issues with Rey's character and the disconjointed story line, as well as the blatant use of time (ea only 16 hours to save the galaxy and travel to 4 different planets) to build stakes in both the rise of Skywalker and the last jedi are bigger issues than rose.
I think the difference between rose andujar jar was that jar jar was at least meant to be entertaining to kids (and my daughter loves him so it works) but rose was meant only to send a political message in a very obvious way and no subtlety which makes the messenger associated with the message which many don't like.
This is a very poorly made point.
Overall, I think the big problem is that she’s just a plot/message device, instead of a real character. She was so close, and I just wanted some more depth instead of more “My past experiences can help Finn.” I think that this makes her come off as “annoying,” and that’s why people don’t like her. Aside from the racists and sexists of course.
Well they also said "same as Rey." Personally I try to avoid wasting time arguing with someone who thinks Rey is underdeveloped.
Actually, she had a well developed arc You clearly didn't understand her point in the second image. Her sister died in a suicide run, and she wants to fight the First Order to protect the galaxy, not to topple the regime. As in, she doesn't want to lose Finn and anyone else she cares about in the process again. The difference is why you are fighting the other side. Finn had no regard for his own life, and was willing to do whatever it takes as long as it hurt the First Order To be fair, Poe and Finn were already planning to do something stupid, she just provided an option that was less stupid than what they were going for
Also, they didn't have the time to save the kids because they can't just dump the kids in a middle of the jungle and tell them to survive on their own. Its easier to save the animals than the kids, and as we have seen in The Phantom Menace, Slavery is more accepted in the galaxy, and it might not sit right with you, but it is allowed in the galaxy. Its a lot more complicated to save kids. Yes, they trusted a stranger and that backfired on them. People trust strangers all the time, and sometimes it goes bad for them. Its a silly complaint to make
Why did Harry Potter trust Sirius Black? Why did Luke and Ben trust Han and Chewie to fly them from Tatooine? Why does Shmi let Qui-Gon take away Anakin, he could've been a liar for all we know, etc etc etc
That’s a big problem with these movies. The only relationship that Disney seems sure of was Finn and Poe. Everyone else interacted differently with each other from movie to movie.
I feel like there's two problems with this:
1) I feel you have Finn's motivation wrong here. Finn wasn't willing to do whatever it takes to hurt the First Order. He was willing to do whatever it takes to save his comrades in the Resistance. Willing to give his life to save his friends, who were, as far as all the characters knew, all doomed to die if the gun was allowed to fire.
2) You say Rose "doesn't want to lose Finn and anyone else she cares about in the process again". That may be the sentiment of the words she says, sure. But the consequence of her action doesn't logically match her words. She's literally going to lose everyone else she cares about by doing what she did, stopping Finn before he could stop the gun. By stopping Finn she dooms everyone she knows to die and the galaxy to fall to the First Order. In that moment, Finn is the last hope of saving the Resistance. Yes, a Force miracle saves the day afterwards, because movie, but in the context of what the characters know at the time of the event her action is dooming everyone to die, which would make her sister's sacrifice absolutely meaningless. By telling Finn he's wrong, she's also saying her sister was wrong, because her sister did exactly what Finn is trying to do. Sacrificed her life to save the others. Her action prevents Finn from doing exactly the action she says they should do: saving the people they love. It's also worth mentioning she crashes Finn right in front of the very people who want to kill him as a traitor. They'll almost certainly kill him on their way to kill everyone in the base through the newly destroyed door if not for the sudden Force miracle. She's not even really likely to save his life or her own in this action. There's no real context in which her action is the logical or the right one for the situation. If they wanted to have her stop Finn because she loves him, without dooming the Resistance to certain death, they could have had her charge past and crash her own ship into the gun instead. That, at least, would have been logical and save both her love and her friends, rather than dooming everyone.
It is true that Finn and Poe did actions along with her in that sequence. I think part of the reason they get a pass, to such extent as they do, is they were characters that already existed and had investment from the first movie. Rose is created suddenly in the second movie and immediately made a member of the main party and a love interest out of nowhere. Her existence in the film is also tied to many of the most criticized parts of the movie, some of which would never have happened without her. Most especially, as I mentioned in a comment on Ultra's comment, the Rose stops Finn and dooms the entire Resistance scene. Where it's not just her contradicting her words elsewhere, it's her words and actions literally conflicting with each other. I actually liked her at first appearance, because the sequence with Finn was funny and she had a note of sympathy for her sister's death. The side quest and the romance and her inclusion in the main party felt very forced, and began souring me on her as the film went on. If they hadn't tried to force her into the forefront of the action and then tied her to that subverting the hero scene, I don't think she would have been nearly as hated. As a side character, she was an interesting light moment in a tense situation. But like Jar-Jar someone else compared her to, she plays way too big a role in events, and honestly she would be as responsible as Jar-Jar in the Senate for dooming the galaxy if not for the Force miracle that followed.
My resentment was always aimed at Ryan Johnson (and even to him only partially given he also directed my favourite episode of "Breaking Bad")