Ahnalds account [MERGE]

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  • Kyno wrote: »
    ShaggyB wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    PhatPat84 wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
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    Boo wrote: »
    At the end of the day, he wasn't cheating. CHeaters are allowed back to play this game.

    Ahnald inherited an account from a big whale who had no interest playing the game anymore and simply wanted the account to go somewhere rather than deletion. Ahnald has since poured his own money into that account to keep it going - where is his refund?

    This account allowed Ahnald to better provide excellent content videos that showcased new toons and events that actually promoted this game. CG actually benefits from AHnald and other content creators financially and free of charge.

    CG literally just shot itself in the foot rather than let Ahnald continue to support their game in the way he has by deleting the account.

    No one has said he was cheating. what he did was a violation of the ToS of the game, he knew it. putting money into an account that he knew was in risk of this was his choice.

    I'm pretty sure they couldn't do that without facing a bunch of other legal stuff. They would have to move the origin of his account, which would be a sticky situation with the current state of the Chinese laws.

    Never said he was cheating, but these actual cheaters exposed to be allowed to return to game rather than a perma ban, also made a choice. Obviously one is more damaging than the other and one actually supports the game and community, where the other is harmful.

    I totally get the sticky situation with Chinese law, but no reason the amount spent since the account was transferred could not be given a crystal value and applied towards his current account, considering the content he provides which helps keep the game and the community - seems like the right thing to do to me.

    by these I assume you mean the one that was seen in the email. From all accounts of what actually happened this is not all the conversation or information on this. so exactly what happened is still a little bit of a mystery and not shows in that video.

    why should he get special treatment? I thought that part of what everyone was upset about is the difference in how rules are being enforced?

    Anything done "differently" to his account would be the bar they would set for any accounts in that similar situation. so its still a sticky situation.

    The right thing to do was ban his account. I'm pretty sure he even said that.

    That doesn't explain why they don't ban cheaters. By not banning cheaters, they are setting the bar of what would happen if someone else cheats.

    Ahnaldt even said that he is fine if his account gets banned AS LONG AS he either gets his money back or they actually ban cheaters instead of letting them get away.

    They do ban cheaters, quite often actually. We run into a lot of them. No i dont know any details, I have no idea how many are perma bans. I have no idea where the disconnect is between what has been said and what we see. It does seem that not every case is handled as black and white.

    Thats great that he said that, since from what others have said the one image he showed is not the full story, maybe he could set the full story straight about what happened in that case to give some perspective. From what we heard that account didn't "get away" without consequence.

    It is just that if you don't ban a couple people (perhaps about 2 or 3) everyone will be all over that and banning some cheaters while not banning others is somewhat inconsistent. CG should be more consistent about how they deal with cheaters.

    They should still ban them. In my opinion, cheating should either be punished with that account getting permanently banned, or them having to restart the whole account.

    There is a difference between a temp ban and permanent ban. As far as I know there has never been anyone who cheated and did not have some consequence (some level of ban). Different offenses having different levels of ban, is not inconsistent.

    The stated policy and what is happening are different and that is a little concerning, but I honestly have no issue with the whole idea of a case by case judgement system.

    I reported a blatant cheater 1 day into the last gac season. Not only did that person complete the season but they are still playing now. Im sure they will be in the next gac too.
    The communications I received from CG were pathetic. So when you say they take action against cheaters what action are you talking about.
    It should be a permanent ban. Not based on how much you spend in game. Otherwise the competition isn't genuine and CG loses what little credibility it has left. And I sent you the full rundown of details so you know that they cheated kyno. Maybe you could ask your pals why they let that guy off the hook?

    They do not discuss the investigation with the reporter, thats just the policy. There are many good reasons for that.

    Thats fine if you think it should always be permanent, I dont feel that way, but I can live either way. I know this may be surprising to you, but they take the investigation very seriously, and it doesnt' happen over night. I can assure you that if they found him cheating he didn't get off the hook. All I can do is pass information along, they do not discuss player information with me.

    They do take action, and it doesn't have anything to do with spending.

    But weve seen evidence of that not being the case. You cannot say they didnt get off the hook, as clearly weve seen examples where cheaters did get off the hook

    The whale guilds talking about the wrist slaps and pick of punishments is not 0 tollerance.

    Its a real problem.

    Cg may not want to discuss indivdual matters but theyve now been shown to have double stamdards and lacking consistant policy.

    Its too late to hide behind not wanting to discuss individual matters, its now time to discuss cheating and what has been done / what will be done

    The main problem here is there are several things that are considered cheating and we are not going to go into details on this. This is also not a subject that can be openly discussed on the forum as its against the Forum Guidelines.

    I can assure you that several topics that are being discussed are all being grouped together as "cheating" and are not the same thing.

    I do agree that the statement of 0 tolerance against cheating in battles does not seem to be the case, and they should make a statement about that.

    Then where can we discuss the different kinds of cheating?
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  • Kyno wrote: »
    ShaggyB wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    PhatPat84 wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    Kyno wrote: »
    Boo wrote: »
    At the end of the day, he wasn't cheating. CHeaters are allowed back to play this game.

    Ahnald inherited an account from a big whale who had no interest playing the game anymore and simply wanted the account to go somewhere rather than deletion. Ahnald has since poured his own money into that account to keep it going - where is his refund?

    This account allowed Ahnald to better provide excellent content videos that showcased new toons and events that actually promoted this game. CG actually benefits from AHnald and other content creators financially and free of charge.

    CG literally just shot itself in the foot rather than let Ahnald continue to support their game in the way he has by deleting the account.

    No one has said he was cheating. what he did was a violation of the ToS of the game, he knew it. putting money into an account that he knew was in risk of this was his choice.

    I'm pretty sure they couldn't do that without facing a bunch of other legal stuff. They would have to move the origin of his account, which would be a sticky situation with the current state of the Chinese laws.

    Never said he was cheating, but these actual cheaters exposed to be allowed to return to game rather than a perma ban, also made a choice. Obviously one is more damaging than the other and one actually supports the game and community, where the other is harmful.

    I totally get the sticky situation with Chinese law, but no reason the amount spent since the account was transferred could not be given a crystal value and applied towards his current account, considering the content he provides which helps keep the game and the community - seems like the right thing to do to me.

    by these I assume you mean the one that was seen in the email. From all accounts of what actually happened this is not all the conversation or information on this. so exactly what happened is still a little bit of a mystery and not shows in that video.

    why should he get special treatment? I thought that part of what everyone was upset about is the difference in how rules are being enforced?

    Anything done "differently" to his account would be the bar they would set for any accounts in that similar situation. so its still a sticky situation.

    The right thing to do was ban his account. I'm pretty sure he even said that.

    That doesn't explain why they don't ban cheaters. By not banning cheaters, they are setting the bar of what would happen if someone else cheats.

    Ahnaldt even said that he is fine if his account gets banned AS LONG AS he either gets his money back or they actually ban cheaters instead of letting them get away.

    They do ban cheaters, quite often actually. We run into a lot of them. No i dont know any details, I have no idea how many are perma bans. I have no idea where the disconnect is between what has been said and what we see. It does seem that not every case is handled as black and white.

    Thats great that he said that, since from what others have said the one image he showed is not the full story, maybe he could set the full story straight about what happened in that case to give some perspective. From what we heard that account didn't "get away" without consequence.

    It is just that if you don't ban a couple people (perhaps about 2 or 3) everyone will be all over that and banning some cheaters while not banning others is somewhat inconsistent. CG should be more consistent about how they deal with cheaters.

    They should still ban them. In my opinion, cheating should either be punished with that account getting permanently banned, or them having to restart the whole account.

    There is a difference between a temp ban and permanent ban. As far as I know there has never been anyone who cheated and did not have some consequence (some level of ban). Different offenses having different levels of ban, is not inconsistent.

    The stated policy and what is happening are different and that is a little concerning, but I honestly have no issue with the whole idea of a case by case judgement system.

    I reported a blatant cheater 1 day into the last gac season. Not only did that person complete the season but they are still playing now. Im sure they will be in the next gac too.
    The communications I received from CG were pathetic. So when you say they take action against cheaters what action are you talking about.
    It should be a permanent ban. Not based on how much you spend in game. Otherwise the competition isn't genuine and CG loses what little credibility it has left. And I sent you the full rundown of details so you know that they cheated kyno. Maybe you could ask your pals why they let that guy off the hook?

    They do not discuss the investigation with the reporter, thats just the policy. There are many good reasons for that.

    Thats fine if you think it should always be permanent, I dont feel that way, but I can live either way. I know this may be surprising to you, but they take the investigation very seriously, and it doesnt' happen over night. I can assure you that if they found him cheating he didn't get off the hook. All I can do is pass information along, they do not discuss player information with me.

    They do take action, and it doesn't have anything to do with spending.

    But weve seen evidence of that not being the case. You cannot say they didnt get off the hook, as clearly weve seen examples where cheaters did get off the hook

    The whale guilds talking about the wrist slaps and pick of punishments is not 0 tollerance.

    Its a real problem.

    Cg may not want to discuss indivdual matters but theyve now been shown to have double stamdards and lacking consistant policy.

    Its too late to hide behind not wanting to discuss individual matters, its now time to discuss cheating and what has been done / what will be done

    The main problem here is there are several things that are considered cheating and we are not going to go into details on this. This is also not a subject that can be openly discussed on the forum as its against the Forum Guidelines.

    I can assure you that several topics that are being discussed are all being grouped together as "cheating" and are not the same thing.

    I do agree that the statement of 0 tolerance against cheating in battles does not seem to be the case, and they should make a statement about that.

    U say, The main problem here is there are several things that are considered cheating and we are not going to go into details on this.

    Why would CG not want to clearly define cheating, the various actions that are considered cheating and the possible punishments for each?

    You admit cheating exists and there are many kinds but then u attempt to end the conversation by saying cheating can not be discussed on the forums.

    Clearly they want to be able to ban who they want for what they want and keep everyone in the dark regarding their actions. That's cool they can do what they wanna do.

    Most of the comments are discussing CG not following through on their word but since it's about enforcing a cheating policy that's forbidden to discuss... Seems ridiculous to me but it's 2020 just watching things burn like R2 aoe
  • @Kyno

    First I believe CG are banning cheaters. I actively play plenty of games where devs hunt them daily. Cheating is a problem that will sadly never go away. Cheaters will evolve cheats as games go on. One thing people can do however is discuss cheating, not how to find but whether or not if its going on, how to spot and I think whether of not devs are punishing them.

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    However no one out of any of these threads expect what warrior did with his videos some time really broke ToS. It only mentions actively promoting it and distributing it as against ToS. Anhalds break of ToS is in the same line funny enough. Also funny is below the promote or discuss, see a website to report? Should people openly report all the mod service sites since they break your own ToS?
  • ShaggyB
    1624 posts Member
    edited July 23
    Kyno wrote: »
    I do agree that the statement of 0 tolerance against cheating in battles does not seem to be the case, and they should make a statement about that.

    So kyno.... since you agree that they should say something....

    Have you asked if they will?
  • ShaggyB
    1624 posts Member
    No, we arent discussing cheating in a how to form. We are discussing whether the response to cheating is 0 tollerance as advertised.

    Most everyone left in this agrees ahnald's account broke tos and its gone. He knew the risk and he got caught by turning himself in.

    The issue is selective enforcement of tos and of overall 0 tollerance policy to cheating.

    Too many examples have been shown for both and a statement should be made to bring back confidence.

    Sharing ones account to get mod services breaks tos... yet those services arent cracked down on.

    Whale guilds have been shown to get off easy for cheating members as has also been shown via screen captures.

    Cg should step up and make a statement, but doing so would likely be admitting to not following their own tos and 0 tollerance policy.

    Basically put, theyve chosen silence over honesty. Theyve chosen profit over integrity of the game experience. The only way to prove that is false is to come out and speak
  • ShaggyB
    1624 posts Member
    Still nothing?
  • TVF
    25118 posts Member
    nope
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  • ShaggyB
    1624 posts Member
    @Kyno have you asked them if they are going ti say anything
  • DonPuto
    15 posts Member
    Once I saw a 3 legged cat and I could have sworn it had 4 legs at first but the "fourth" leg was just a shadow. I felt so silly lol. What a time to be alive for sure.
  • Wait this is still a thing lol
  • Wait this is still a thing lol

    How anyone can just dismiss their blatant ignoring of their own TOS and communicated rules is beyond me. Is there a time limit on being **** they negotiate with cheaters and allow them back in, despite pretending there is a zero tolerance policy?

    But let’s lol at it and keep buying packs...

    Nah forget packs, I'm not spending a single cent here since I learned they negotiate with cheaters, but other people dont care
  • Wait this is still a thing lol

    How anyone can just dismiss their blatant ignoring of their own TOS and communicated rules is beyond me. Is there a time limit on being **** they negotiate with cheaters and allow them back in, despite pretending there is a zero tolerance policy?

    But let’s lol at it and keep buying packs...

    Well, we might be about to reset that timer. If people were upset about a whale only getting a 5 month ban or whatever it was, how are they going to react to a 2nd offender only getting 3 weeks? 🤔
  • Wait this is still a thing lol

    How anyone can just dismiss their blatant ignoring of their own TOS and communicated rules is beyond me. Is there a time limit on being **** they negotiate with cheaters and allow them back in, despite pretending there is a zero tolerance policy?

    But let’s lol at it and keep buying packs...

    Well, we might be about to reset that timer. If people were upset about a whale only getting a 5 month ban or whatever it was, how are they going to react to a 2nd offender only getting 3 weeks? 🤔

    What?
  • Wait this is still a thing lol

    How anyone can just dismiss their blatant ignoring of their own TOS and communicated rules is beyond me. Is there a time limit on being **** they negotiate with cheaters and allow them back in, despite pretending there is a zero tolerance policy?

    But let’s lol at it and keep buying packs...

    Well, we might be about to reset that timer. If people were upset about a whale only getting a 5 month ban or whatever it was, how are they going to react to a 2nd offender only getting 3 weeks? 🤔

    Did they hire you after you got banned? Legit question.

    You’re throwing scenarios at me to muddy the water and I literally do not care. They were exposed negotiating with, and allowing cheaters back in. Despite flashy public announcements that there would be a zero tolerance policy on cheaters. There should have been an asterisk that said “unless you spend over ___ amount”.

    The way people just dismiss this or act like it’s no big deal, or we should simply ignore it is so comical. They are a horrible game company. They release zero content. It’s always toons and packs. Their communication is pathetic, yet they want people to continue forking over cash in a game they can’t even try to keep fair in modes where you vs others.

    Im really confused. I’m hinting that there is an even worse scenario that just happened (I’m just waiting to give CG a chance to respond before I provide details). Your post reads like I’m supporting CG, when I’m doing the exact opposite here.
  • ShaggyB
    1624 posts Member
    Wait this is still a thing lol

    How anyone can just dismiss their blatant ignoring of their own TOS and communicated rules is beyond me. Is there a time limit on being **** they negotiate with cheaters and allow them back in, despite pretending there is a zero tolerance policy?

    But let’s lol at it and keep buying packs...

    Well, we might be about to reset that timer. If people were upset about a whale only getting a 5 month ban or whatever it was, how are they going to react to a 2nd offender only getting 3 weeks? 🤔

    Did they hire you after you got banned? Legit question.

    You’re throwing scenarios at me to muddy the water and I literally do not care. They were exposed negotiating with, and allowing cheaters back in. Despite flashy public announcements that there would be a zero tolerance policy on cheaters. There should have been an asterisk that said “unless you spend over ___ amount”.

    The way people just dismiss this or act like it’s no big deal, or we should simply ignore it is so comical. They are a horrible game company. They release zero content. It’s always toons and packs. Their communication is pathetic, yet they want people to continue forking over cash in a game they can’t even try to keep fair in modes where you vs others.

    Im really confused. I’m hinting that there is an even worse scenario that just happened (I’m just waiting to give CG a chance to respond before I provide details). Your post reads like I’m supporting CG, when I’m doing the exact opposite here.

    When will you be dropping details?
  • ShaggyB wrote: »
    Wait this is still a thing lol

    How anyone can just dismiss their blatant ignoring of their own TOS and communicated rules is beyond me. Is there a time limit on being **** they negotiate with cheaters and allow them back in, despite pretending there is a zero tolerance policy?

    But let’s lol at it and keep buying packs...

    Well, we might be about to reset that timer. If people were upset about a whale only getting a 5 month ban or whatever it was, how are they going to react to a 2nd offender only getting 3 weeks? 🤔

    Did they hire you after you got banned? Legit question.

    You’re throwing scenarios at me to muddy the water and I literally do not care. They were exposed negotiating with, and allowing cheaters back in. Despite flashy public announcements that there would be a zero tolerance policy on cheaters. There should have been an asterisk that said “unless you spend over ___ amount”.

    The way people just dismiss this or act like it’s no big deal, or we should simply ignore it is so comical. They are a horrible game company. They release zero content. It’s always toons and packs. Their communication is pathetic, yet they want people to continue forking over cash in a game they can’t even try to keep fair in modes where you vs others.

    Im really confused. I’m hinting that there is an even worse scenario that just happened (I’m just waiting to give CG a chance to respond before I provide details). Your post reads like I’m supporting CG, when I’m doing the exact opposite here.

    When will you be dropping details?

    I don’t really know what all will happen over the next few days. Most likely scenario is they don’t respond at all and I’ll give the evidence I have maybe Tuesday night? There are several people who know about it, so it might even blow up before I do anything with it. But I want to at least be able to say I gave CG a chance to respond and provide valid reasoning.
  • ShaggyB
    1624 posts Member
    ShaggyB wrote: »
    Wait this is still a thing lol

    How anyone can just dismiss their blatant ignoring of their own TOS and communicated rules is beyond me. Is there a time limit on being **** they negotiate with cheaters and allow them back in, despite pretending there is a zero tolerance policy?

    But let’s lol at it and keep buying packs...

    Well, we might be about to reset that timer. If people were upset about a whale only getting a 5 month ban or whatever it was, how are they going to react to a 2nd offender only getting 3 weeks? 🤔

    Did they hire you after you got banned? Legit question.

    You’re throwing scenarios at me to muddy the water and I literally do not care. They were exposed negotiating with, and allowing cheaters back in. Despite flashy public announcements that there would be a zero tolerance policy on cheaters. There should have been an asterisk that said “unless you spend over ___ amount”.

    The way people just dismiss this or act like it’s no big deal, or we should simply ignore it is so comical. They are a horrible game company. They release zero content. It’s always toons and packs. Their communication is pathetic, yet they want people to continue forking over cash in a game they can’t even try to keep fair in modes where you vs others.

    Im really confused. I’m hinting that there is an even worse scenario that just happened (I’m just waiting to give CG a chance to respond before I provide details). Your post reads like I’m supporting CG, when I’m doing the exact opposite here.

    When will you be dropping details?

    I don’t really know what all will happen over the next few days. Most likely scenario is they don’t respond at all and I’ll give the evidence I have maybe Tuesday night? There are several people who know about it, so it might even blow up before I do anything with it. But I want to at least be able to say I gave CG a chance to respond and provide valid reasoning.

    Sounds reasonable. Ill check your youtube around then
  • ShaggyB
    1624 posts Member
    Getting close to 2 months and still no response.
  • ShaggyB
    1624 posts Member
    ShaggyB wrote: »
    Wait this is still a thing lol

    How anyone can just dismiss their blatant ignoring of their own TOS and communicated rules is beyond me. Is there a time limit on being **** they negotiate with cheaters and allow them back in, despite pretending there is a zero tolerance policy?

    But let’s lol at it and keep buying packs...

    Well, we might be about to reset that timer. If people were upset about a whale only getting a 5 month ban or whatever it was, how are they going to react to a 2nd offender only getting 3 weeks? 🤔

    Did they hire you after you got banned? Legit question.

    You’re throwing scenarios at me to muddy the water and I literally do not care. They were exposed negotiating with, and allowing cheaters back in. Despite flashy public announcements that there would be a zero tolerance policy on cheaters. There should have been an asterisk that said “unless you spend over ___ amount”.

    The way people just dismiss this or act like it’s no big deal, or we should simply ignore it is so comical. They are a horrible game company. They release zero content. It’s always toons and packs. Their communication is pathetic, yet they want people to continue forking over cash in a game they can’t even try to keep fair in modes where you vs others.

    Im really confused. I’m hinting that there is an even worse scenario that just happened (I’m just waiting to give CG a chance to respond before I provide details). Your post reads like I’m supporting CG, when I’m doing the exact opposite here.

    When will you be dropping details?

    I don’t really know what all will happen over the next few days. Most likely scenario is they don’t respond at all and I’ll give the evidence I have maybe Tuesday night? There are several people who know about it, so it might even blow up before I do anything with it. But I want to at least be able to say I gave CG a chance to respond and provide valid reasoning.

    Any update on this one @Bulldog1205
  • The suspense intensifies...
  • ShaggyB wrote: »
    ShaggyB wrote: »
    Wait this is still a thing lol

    How anyone can just dismiss their blatant ignoring of their own TOS and communicated rules is beyond me. Is there a time limit on being **** they negotiate with cheaters and allow them back in, despite pretending there is a zero tolerance policy?

    But let’s lol at it and keep buying packs...

    Well, we might be about to reset that timer. If people were upset about a whale only getting a 5 month ban or whatever it was, how are they going to react to a 2nd offender only getting 3 weeks? 🤔

    Did they hire you after you got banned? Legit question.

    You’re throwing scenarios at me to muddy the water and I literally do not care. They were exposed negotiating with, and allowing cheaters back in. Despite flashy public announcements that there would be a zero tolerance policy on cheaters. There should have been an asterisk that said “unless you spend over ___ amount”.

    The way people just dismiss this or act like it’s no big deal, or we should simply ignore it is so comical. They are a horrible game company. They release zero content. It’s always toons and packs. Their communication is pathetic, yet they want people to continue forking over cash in a game they can’t even try to keep fair in modes where you vs others.

    Im really confused. I’m hinting that there is an even worse scenario that just happened (I’m just waiting to give CG a chance to respond before I provide details). Your post reads like I’m supporting CG, when I’m doing the exact opposite here.

    When will you be dropping details?

    I don’t really know what all will happen over the next few days. Most likely scenario is they don’t respond at all and I’ll give the evidence I have maybe Tuesday night? There are several people who know about it, so it might even blow up before I do anything with it. But I want to at least be able to say I gave CG a chance to respond and provide valid reasoning.

    Any update on this one @Bulldog1205

    Just haven’t had time to get to it. There’s honestly not a lot more to it than I already posted though. Just a little bit of evidence to back up the claim of a second offender getting a light slap on the wrist.
  • Lrrr
    154 posts Member
    Because clearly those words/statements mean something different to me than CG

  • Borat
    89 posts Member
    how is this thread still open.....better yet why is this thread still open. Old News. Move on, nothing to see here.
  • Imagine some random person checking out this thread. A company bans a content creator who exposed them for not following their own Terms of Service by negotiating with cheaters. Players ask why does cheating not apply to all people equally? 100 pages later still no response from any developers. This is a graduate level course course on how to ignore your customer base. They are really entrenched in silence.
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