So I fought this guy in GAC a few weeks ago and I finally got around to checking what he used to beat my teams I set on Defense and I found that he went in vs my GL Rey team with a level 21 Tusken Raider for the first battle... then for the 2nd battle he attacked my Rey team with a level 85 G12 Kanan Jarrus... then for the 3rd battle he went in with a level 85 gear 12 Chief Nebit then for the 4th battle he went in with a level 85 Gear 12 Greedo... now some might think he was bluffing me into attacking him but what really happened was this... my GL rey kept burning health untill she was down to 30% or lower. Then for the 5th battle he brought in his GAS and Clone troopers team all relic 7 and cleaned house.
What I want to know is this kind of game play encouraged and not considered cheating? Because if it is not cheating I have a bunch of crappy charcters that are no good (because they have never got reworks) that I can yse to employ this tactic to take out Rey...
Thank you in advanced for your rapid response to this issue CG
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Literally. He still wasted points to beat that GL Rey, it’s not like he beat her first or second attempt.
Rey owners, you’ve been duped by CG. They’re laughing their way to the bank.
Edit; for loosing 2 times they lost quite a bit of banners. This tactic wouldn't be close to cheesing, exploiting or cheating. Just strategic planning on how to wittle reys health down for a clean up
I would think that it is exploiting a flaw in the combat systems AI...
no he went in with 4 single man teams until Rey sacrificed herself down below 30% health then took a "real" team in and beat it.
As a sidenote it would be really fun to be able to use our own AI. Sad that that is not possible.
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That’s still not cheating, it’s using your resources and knowledge of the character’s AI. I think the fact that he made a sacrifice proves the strategy in it, and not cheating. It’s not a “cheese” method, it’s a sacrificial tactic.
It’s not the “cheese” team that’s winning the battle, it still requires a strong meta team even after wearing her down (at the expense of banners).
Not all that different from killing a toon in a revive team and then running out the clock so they don’t come back.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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Because there is nothing wrong with the game mechanics. It is working as intended and there is no or very little advantage gain (also in relation to the actual effort you put in).
While in case of Cheese, the game mechanics is not working as intended by the developer. You get a huge advantage gain by exploiting it.
And btw. Cheese is not Cheating.
Cheese is exploiting game mechanics.
Cheating is manipulating game mechanics.
But in both cases, you end up beating a team with a team you are not "supposed" to be able to beat them with....and ironically , it's pretty much the same team in both cases - which, again, in both cases is the advantage gained.
ETA : it's clearly not cheating. But it does seem like an AI weakness the developers should look into...just like they did when Kylo's AI weaknesses were used against him.
In game guild: TNR Uprising
I beat the REAL T7 Yoda (not the nerfed one) and did so before mods were there to help
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First of all I would never generalize by saying one team is not supposed to beat another team. You can even use a Phoenix team to beat a GL Rey team, if you have mods, zetas, gear/relic level, team composition (and last but not least RNG) all considered.
Advantages are gained in both cases for sure, but it has been pointed out earlier in this thread that by beating a team in the sixth attempt (by the way not as consistent as you might think) is different than cheesing a GL team in the very first attempt. And in GAC, every banner counts. If you can use the same strategy in the Arena, then it's a different story, but luckily you can't. In Arena only cheesing works and therefore it should be changed for good.
Let's be honest, AI in this game will always have weaknesses. That's a fact, not only for Rey. It all depends on how much advantage you can gain from those weaknesses. Definitely it does not make sense to chase after each and every AI weakness. If AI has no weakness, I'm pretty sure many people won't enjoy this game as much as they do right now. Btw. I think that might also be the reason why many people here are against the introduction of live PvP, but that's a different topic.
Rey isn't "trash" not even compared to SLKR. She's slightly inferior to him in regards to their overall use but in no way the "trash" character that the BRWF (buff rey whining force) tries to make her look.
It's a player problem.
Rey using bad AI and with no reason (removing her own health against non geared toons) --- ok, well you know the story. Rey is fine, she is awesome, nothing to see here, it is called tactic blablabla
Nice one. I will add it to the list. Very funny. What a joke. This is going more and more absurd lol
Exploiting the AI with under-geared/undersized squads: 100% YES
This is the same reason Kylo had his AI tweaked both times. @Kyno can we please present this to the devs if it hasn't been. This is another blatant example of preferential treatment towards one GL while neglecting the other when they were promoted as 'balanced.'
Per your opinion, every team which wins on offense, and which is based on the AI not as smart as human moves, is "cheese". For example, in GAS mirrors, the AI doesn't know to prioritize hitting Fives after GAS kneels. Is that a cheese? If you use GG on offense against JKR, the AI's JKR just straight marks Magna instead of using his first special. Is that a cheese?
That is all this game really is when you think about it. The AI plays terribly 99.5% of the time. Take Padme for example. She kicks DR rear but when the AI plays her she'll use her stun when her team is all full of debuffs instead of cleansing and giving them all stacks of murderville. Soooo many more examples out there as well. It's probably my 2nd largest complaint about this game. I would love the AI to be increased but the majority do not want that. "You'll lose more and then you won't be thinking that still will you?" Yes, yes I would still think that cause it would be more enjoyable to actually have to use brain power.
This is completely different than those AI issues, which you apparently all looked over. Those were squads that could beat SLKR by themselves. This is multiple teams. Multiple teams cost points in the modes where you can use more than one team. That means that they pay the price for this attack.
1) The toons have to be geared enough to survive until Rey loses health.
2) Their TW and GAC points still decrease, opening up a possible lead for you.
3)They still have to use a good team to finish her off.
This doesn’t suddenly make Rey useless. She still might only be second best, but that’s mighty high compared to third best. Besides, this person had to be smart enough to figure this out; how many people out there do you think are actually going to get this right as well?