JML Lead is weak in comparison to JKR Lead.
I gave JML his ult and you can't even charge it correctly due to ability blocks and cooldown increases all the time vs a JKR lead team...
It is really annoying to fight against JKR lead with JML and his ult... It feels like it is totally not worth taking this GL and his ult tbh... It makes me throw out my mobilephone... So here is my suggestion:
JML need an updated lead ability to counter JKR lead.
1. Make JML special ability (Inherited Teachings) immune to cooldown manipulation
2. Buff the team more if you only have Jedi e.g. make the Jedi Lessons a locked buff
3. Make the character immune to ability block if he got Jedi Lessons
The first one is a must have.
I hope to see an update soon to prevent JKR lead and give people a good reason to give him his ult.
Please give him the same treatment as GL Kylo...
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People who don’t have him says he shouldn’t be buffed.
His ultimate is useless, he is useless in raids, he is better under both JML and JKR leads.
Easily the worst GL. JKL, GAS, and Malak are all more important.
The best solution I've found so far is to switch to JKR lead to win mirror, even without Wat.
I do agree it's kind of disappointing, because ultimate isn't used in this case. Imo, it's not really a "JML isn't strong enough" situation but more a "JML is frustating because you can't use his full potential (lead+ultimate) if you want to use him at full potential, as a member of a JKR team" case.
The problem is Luke lead is never the solution. It is garbage.
I love it how you wait until end of battle to load the ulti. At the time one starts to work the ulti, it's already over.
Yep, worked like a charm.
Didn't notice the "can't be resisted" part of the skill, thanks a lot for the tip !
It's not fun but OP wants an answer, and this is it.
Personally, I think winning easily by changing my lead is fun, but that may just be me.
I think right now you see the jml under a jkr lead a lot due to it working well in the current environment.
However, I just unlocked see and with a g11 non ultimate see, I have seen enough to say that this team would likely not do well against see (probably worse than jml lead).
Basically, you link jml with gas and he loses all his protection. So the protection regen is lost. The taunt is lost. He has no chance of reaching his ultimate.
I can win about 30% of the time with a g11 see. The biggest issue I have is not enough dmg. Once I get the last few kyros and have him at r7, that issue likely goes away. And with the ultimate it definitely does. That will likely turn the 30% win rate I have now to and easy win every time.
So when there are more see in an arena shard, I would expect people to go back to jml lead to try and hold better.
Or you just use JKR lead and hit auto.
I'm all on board with the mix and match fun of changing lead and all the maybe-the-best-team-is-not-the-obvious-one fun of theorycrafting.
The frustration probably comes from the "ultimate only if on lead" situation. It's like playing with a Prince Adam action figure and never transforming him into He-man. Something is not right.
PS: Thanks to @Shaddes for solving this issue though with a great idea for an opener against JKR+JML. I have decent enough mods to take advantage of it, for now
JML ulti loading is pure garbage no matter the perspective. Mirror or vs his par
I also have a lot of trouble versus SEE (btw, I take any advice anyone would share to kick some Emperor's butt with JML, if possible with JML as lead), as you showed in your pics, but my only victories were thanks to ultimate.
Versus Rey, usually we play our ultimates around the same time;
vs mirror... well, it's mirror, so...it's as fast as my opponent I reckon;
versus Kylo I don't really care because I'll win anyway. Luke transforms to wrap up the victory usually.
Mass shock is an issue, that's for sure. However, it's only a problem if opponent is packing a GL, and even the best Sith Empire heroes can't help poor Kylo. So it's only an issue versus SEE, who is your most difficult matchup imo.
If you have trouble loading your ultimate vs other JML or Rey, could you please share what comp you use and how you cycle the special skill ? There's probably room to speed things up.
I bailed from using the ulti and using jkr lead instead.
I guess i misunderstood your post. I also have trouble versus Emperor, as you have. Each GL has favored enemies.
I thought you had trouble versus other GL as well, my bad.
This is a great idea. It would also be nice if one character was able to spread the Jedi lessons buff to others once they had it when JML isn’t in the lead.
*Edit to add: This would allow the ultimate to be reached but it would also slow it down in comparison to JML lead. Fair balance IMO.
I think it's supposed to be an uphill battle to beat see with jml and to beat jml with kylo, and to beat kylo with see.
So not sure there is a lot that can help you with see if you are using jml.
It's CGs way of saying you need two GLs.
I have see with no ult and can easily beat jml (even with jkr lead with wat) but find it easier to just use my vader counter for Rey and thrawn counter for kylo.
I think that your issue is you are trying to beat paper with rock. See is a counter to jml so beating him with jml will be difficult. Just like beating jml with SLKR is difficult and beating SLKR with see is difficult.
Seems like the plan is for you to have two GLs if you want to be prepared for anything. Either that or farm a counter team to the GL that counters the one that you have.
I see a couple people using JML in the lead in my arena, but mostly it's JKR lead and that's for either JML or Rey.
Then again, JML went to a planet in the middle of nowhere by himself, so I guess his lead is supposed to be "Sus" anyway?
I do find it sad that, to use JML optimally, you don’t need his lead zeta and you don’t need his ultimate ability - because it will NEVER trigger.
Something went wrong with the design here, it needs fixing.
At least JML doesn't need to use his ultimate to be good (SEE), and there's the "jericho" setup, but especially when the theme behind JML's kit (and as a GL) is a transforming ultimate, it feels weird that this is how he he's generally used in practice. I have 4 JMLs in my shard and none use JML lead.
People running JML lead in arena usually do it because they’ve just unlocked the ultimate ability and want to try it out.
Then they realise they drop like a stone, and switch to JKR lead.