Something not right here....

Strumpoo
90 posts Member
edited October 2021
So... is "can't drop below 100%" health really true..??

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  • Strumpoo
    90 posts Member
    edited October 2021
    So, this photo was taken after commander asoka one shot GAS.. then next turn they killed 5's. This working as intended? Cause it sure as heck seems like GAS went below 100 percent health. Lol.
  • Gas isn’t immune to instant kill abilities.
  • Then it should say so.
  • Tiig
    296 posts Member
    It's well known and old news. When G$ first came out, the same conversation was had in relation to DN's annihilate. Instant kill doesn't drop their health. It just kills them.
  • instant kill abilities differ from abilities that just do damage, Gas kit prevents damage below 100% but not instant kill abilities since instant kill abilities don’t bring you below 100%, they just kill instantly without taking HP away.
  • Strumpoo wrote: »
    Then it should say so.

    Kit says he can’t drop below 100% health, doesn’t say he can’t be defeated.
    While I agree it could be clearer, there’s also a limit to how thoroughly a kit can be written since not all aspects can be fitted in there.
    As others pointed out, this has always worked the same way, CAT, Mando, DN can all do this trick.
  • The real questions is: What were you thinking taking GAS against a JMK w/CAT squad?
  • Joebo720 wrote: »
    The real questions is: What were you thinking taking GAS against a JMK w/CAT squad?

    Op is going against a Padme squad....
    Also, non-ult, non-CAT JMK is easy to beat with GAS, so if OP was unaware of the instakill mechanic, it would be an easy mistake to go against a non-ult JMK with CAT and get an unpleaseant surprise....
  • Just for your info, the same goes for other abilities that make you immune to damage, or abilities like Rey’s ult. While you can’t deal damage to them, you can still «instantly defeat» them using SEE, Nihilus, Mando, or CAT.
  • Any character that has an insta-kill ability can do that, like Nihilus, Mando, or CAT.
  • Then they should add a one sentence explanation in ability description. That doesn't seem like too much to ask.

    The way it reads currently, he can't die when 501st up.

    Clear mechanic instructions are helpful.


  • StarSon
    7405 posts Member
    Strumpoo wrote: »
    Then they should add a one sentence explanation in ability description. That doesn't seem like too much to ask.

    The way it reads currently, he can't die when 501st up.

    Clear mechanic instructions are helpful.


    They would have to add that to too many kits. The only times they get mentioned are in the GL kits, because GL's take "massive damage" from instant kill abilities instead.

    At some point you just have to know how certain things work. In this case, you have learned that instant kill abilities do not do damage, and as such they circumvent anything that prevents damage.
  • Strumpoo wrote: »
    Then they should add a one sentence explanation in ability description. That doesn't seem like too much to ask.

    The way it reads currently, he can't die when 501st up.

    Clear mechanic instructions are helpful.


    No where does it say he can’t be defeated when 501st allies are active. It simply says he can’t drop below 100% health, which would mean instant kill abilities bypass that rule
  • Consider Insta-kill as a status effect you have to specifically be immune to.
    Which actually is how the Death effect works in most RPGs, it's treated as basically a status effect, not anything resembling damage.

    While he can't drop below 100% hp, he can still be slowed, ability blocked, w/e he isn't immune to (don't remember his immunities off the top of my head), which would thus include the "status effect" of "Instant Death".

    Same reason you can be "Instantly Defeated" under damage immunity - Because you can still be inflicted with status effects while under damage immunity.
  • Tiig wrote: »
    It's well known and old news. When G$ first came out, the same conversation was had in relation to DN's annihilate. Instant kill doesn't drop their health. It just kills them.

    LOL, instant kill doesn't drop health. I get it, but that is stupid.
  • If you play Magic:
    Can't drop below 100% = Indestructible
    Destroy Effects = Exile
    He can still leave the battlefield
  • Zanir wrote: »
    Tiig wrote: »
    It's well known and old news. When G$ first came out, the same conversation was had in relation to DN's annihilate. Instant kill doesn't drop their health. It just kills them.

    LOL, instant kill doesn't drop health. I get it, but that is stupid.

    It isn't. Destroy abilities also work if a toon has dmg immunity. If it actually worked on health and protection, it would also trigger plenty of other effects that can happen when a toon reaches health tresholds. The explanation above your posts puts it very well. Those abilities are even called "destroy EFFECTS", not "destroy abilities". Because it's a status effect that's applied to the target. Boom, dead.

    So there is this set of principles by which the universe works, called mathematics. In this case, it is simple.

    Dead = health = 0.
    0 < 100
    Cannot drop below 100% is violated by the whole dead thing.
  • Kyno
    32087 posts Moderator
    Zanir wrote: »
    Tiig wrote: »
    It's well known and old news. When G$ first came out, the same conversation was had in relation to DN's annihilate. Instant kill doesn't drop their health. It just kills them.

    LOL, instant kill doesn't drop health. I get it, but that is stupid.

    It isn't. Destroy abilities also work if a toon has dmg immunity. If it actually worked on health and protection, it would also trigger plenty of other effects that can happen when a toon reaches health tresholds. The explanation above your posts puts it very well. Those abilities are even called "destroy EFFECTS", not "destroy abilities". Because it's a status effect that's applied to the target. Boom, dead.

    So there is this set of principles by which the universe works, called mathematics. In this case, it is simple.

    Dead = health = 0.
    0 < 100
    Cannot drop below 100% is violated by the whole dead thing.

    Similar to the state of people after Thanos snapped his fingers, there are other states other than alive and dead. So while those are on your 0-100% scale, a state of removed, destroyed, or non existant are not.
  • TVF
    36518 posts Member
    TIL dead = health
    I need a new message here. https://discord.gg/AmStGTH
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