It is very good. Basic attack does decent dmg for being such a sturdy tank with high hp and applying offense and defense down is fine. But removing buffs on basic against target lock is very useful. His true power comes in being a reinforcement with his missiles. With vaders tie advanced and tie fighter and other target locks applying before fives comes into play his missile can decimate their entire team in one shot (or at least destroy one and do massive damage to one or two others on average since having five target locks happens rarely but 2,3 or even 4 happen very often). Ahsoka does much more damage single target and has a more reliable buff (taunt) removal but is also much much squishing. Better? No. Different role? Yes. I use ahsoka in my main team (for taunt removal primarily) and fives in reinforcements for cleanup. I like getting my 1800 fleet tokens every day and his ship can swing a battle in my direction if timed correctly.
He works very decently with a full Republic fleet, which is a relatively easy fleet to build since there are so many quickly farmable characters who fly Republic ships.
Fives really fulfills his potential when you combine him with ships that excel at spamming target locks. The trio of TIE Fighters especially. Blanket the enemy fleet with target locks, then use Fives, Boba Fett, and Mace Windu to unleash special attacks that hit every target-locked enemy simultaneously. It's not uncommon to kill 3 or more ships at once with this tactic.
If you just hit auto with your fleet battles then both ashoka and umbaran is lackluster and squishy.
JC's ship is shockingly better than both on auto and is strong already without of a lot of upgrading and fewer stars.
I'm lazy with ships but still finish between 100-200 daily with payout time auto battle sniping and I only did the exact bare minimum for the zeta challenge so don't take my advice.
On defense he will almost never use Missle Pods correctly. Most of the time he will target a single person who is target locked and only hit that single ship. On offense you can blow up everything easily though.
His buff removal and offense down on basic is still incredibly annoying to fight against.
Ahsoka is terrible on defence. She always targets the Tie Fighters foresight with her special, which speeds up the enemy capital ship, wastes her big attack, and leaves her without a taunt removal when you need it. She is also an easy kill if you are trying to cause a reinforcement instead of the capital ship using a special.
Fives Umbaran Starfighter isn't perfect, but in a target lock heavy fleet I think he will do a lot better than Ahsoka.
Umbaran Starfighter is the 6th fastest non-capital ship there is (before you count his guaranteed turn meter gain).
He uses target locks to wipe buffs with his basic, and hit additional targets and deal extra damage with his special... that also inflicts target lock.
He is pretty tanky AND deals decent damage as well as inflicting offense and defense down. 5s's ship is more versatile than he is as a character, and that's saying a lot because he can fit in practically anywhere and be effective.
I use Umbaran because it can target lock and take a beating. His normal attack must be the least damaging attack. But useful against target locked tanks. So overall a very useful ship and worth getting.
Ashoka can be nice in reserve if you need to remove a taunt or counter (from scimitar) fast. Don't use her in your starting lineup, it's terrible on defence.
A good ship indeed, especially on a strong Republic team that can help heal him. He's my go-to for taunting. His basic does offense down, and if you have lots of target locks he can hit multiple targets with his special. Like any ship it's important to work on the pilot, though, so if you want to get the most out of the ship, beef up Fives if you haven't already.
I like having Ahsoka around. Her special refreshes on reinforcements, so even if not clearing a debuff she can do a good amount of damage and have it ready again the next turn. Of course, it all depends on if you have a taunt up to protect her. She can gain a lot of protection back with her other special, or give herself offense up. I find her ship very useful. I also have her at G10, so that helps I'm sure.
I don't have 5s ship, but it sounds pretty good based on above. It depends on how frequent you are applying target locks from the sound of it. I still havent figured out how to improve that. It seems very RNG, and heavily influences whether a battle is won or lost.
Ahsoka is terrible on defence. She always targets the Tie Fighters foresight with her special, which speeds up the enemy capital ship, wastes her big attack, and leaves her without a taunt removal when you need it. She is also an easy kill if you are trying to cause a reinforcement instead of the capital ship using a special.
Fives Umbaran Starfighter isn't perfect, but in a target lock heavy fleet I think he will do a lot better than Ahsoka.
I think Ahsoka is much more important then Umbaran. When Maul's ship comes in, it's a deal breaker unless you can dispel that retribution. Ahsoka is one of the few across the board dispelers for ships. Umbaran just sits there most of the time and does minimal dmg compared to the rest. The only time he is a threat is when Plo or Mace can put a taunt on him while attackers are still up; this combo is extremely effective; otherwise, he is rather lackluster.
[quote=I think Ahsoka is much more important then Umbaran. When Maul's ship comes in, it's a deal breaker unless you can dispel that retribution. Ahsoka is one of the few across the board dispelers for ships. Umbaran just sits there most of the time and does minimal dmg compared to the rest. The only time he is a threat is when Plo or Mace can put a taunt on him while attackers are still up; this combo is extremely effective; otherwise, he is rather lackluster.[/quote]
The question in thread was if 5s ship is good and somehow now got to if Ashoka's ship is better than 5s lol. It is an impossible comparison as 2 ships are completely different and both are very good in their roles. It would really depend on ur strategy and ur team. Two most common setups nowadays are 2 attackers and 3 tankier ships or 3 attackers and 2 tankier ships, rarely you see 4 attackers and 1 tank.
So if you need tankier ships, 5s is most durable ship in the game, can hit multiple enemies with special or if targeting single target locks 100%, can dispel, and becomes faster as match progresses due to 20% tm gain (albeit his attack gives enemy 25% tm gain). Biggs for tount and 5s for everything above is imo winning combination for tankier ships. Both in my first team.
If you need attackers Ashoka is the only fast high damage dealing ship with dispel, so comes handy, but she is not as fast as some other ships. Poe is the fastest followed by ITP and FOTP and 4th fastest is actually 5s. I run all of them in my first team and when playing on offence Ashoka's ship does not get to take a turn at all before she dies. However, on AI situation is completely different. One way or another a worthy ship.
[quote=I think Ahsoka is much more important then Umbaran. When Maul's ship comes in, it's a deal breaker unless you can dispel that retribution. Ahsoka is one of the few across the board dispelers for ships. Umbaran just sits there most of the time and does minimal dmg compared to the rest. The only time he is a threat is when Plo or Mace can put a taunt on him while attackers are still up; this combo is extremely effective; otherwise, he is rather lackluster.
The question in thread was if 5s ship is good and somehow now got to if Ashoka's ship is better than 5s lol. It is an impossible comparison as 2 ships are completely different and both are very good in their roles. It would really depend on ur strategy and ur team. Two most common setups nowadays are 2 attackers and 3 tankier ships or 3 attackers and 2 tankier ships, rarely you see 4 attackers and 1 tank.
So if you need tankier ships, 5s is most durable ship in the game, can hit multiple enemies with special or if targeting single target locks 100%, can dispel, and becomes faster as match progresses due to 20% tm gain (albeit his attack gives enemy 25% tm gain). Biggs for tount and 5s for everything above is imo winning combination for tankier ships. Both in my first team.
If you need attackers Ashoka is the only fast high damage dealing ship with dispel, so comes handy, but she is not as fast as some other ships. Poe is the fastest followed by ITP and FOTP and 4th fastest is actually 5s. I run all of them in my first team and when playing on offence Ashoka's ship does not get to take a turn at all before she dies. However, on AI situation is completely different. One way or another a worthy ship. [/quote]
No I get what you are saying, but a common meta is to have Maul's ship come in as a reinforcement and immediately buff. If you don't have a handy dispel to come in and reinforce as well, often times this decides the match. In this way, I was saying Ashoka is more important, not that Umbaran wasn't.
The question in thread was if 5s ship is good and somehow now got to if Ashoka's ship is better than 5s lol. ....
Actually, the question was is 5s ship good, AND is it better than Ahsoka's. So the thread discussing Ahsoka being better than 5s is very valid. I agree that the 2 ships are different, but it wasn't my thread.
I think 5s is great off the bench where he gives you time to spread some target locks before he comes in and AOEs them all. And as others have said, not having his TM shenanigans at the beginning of the battle can also be helpful. I run Imperial TIE, Vader, Boba for TL, Biggs to buy time with taunt, JV to heal Biggs, then off the bench (in order) 5s, Maul, Ahsoka.
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It's a solid ship that I've been using since the beginning. I've actually been farming Fives specifically because of Ships (I know, I should have farmed him earlier cos he's a great Tank). IDK if he's better than Ahsoka, but I use both and they're good together filling very different rolls.
I use his ship as a reinforcement only when there are at least 2 ships on the opposing team with Target Lock. he is absolutely deadly when that occurs. Otherwise, not so much. He can absorb damage.
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Edit: As for being better than Ahsoka.... Id guess yes. I dont usually have problems fighting ahsoka.
Fives really fulfills his potential when you combine him with ships that excel at spamming target locks. The trio of TIE Fighters especially. Blanket the enemy fleet with target locks, then use Fives, Boba Fett, and Mace Windu to unleash special attacks that hit every target-locked enemy simultaneously. It's not uncommon to kill 3 or more ships at once with this tactic.
JC's ship is shockingly better than both on auto and is strong already without of a lot of upgrading and fewer stars.
I'm lazy with ships but still finish between 100-200 daily with payout time auto battle sniping and I only did the exact bare minimum for the zeta challenge so don't take my advice.
Good luck.
Remove Retribution from Maul skill make Deadly combo useless.
He is a must farm ship.
His buff removal and offense down on basic is still incredibly annoying to fight against.
Fives Umbaran Starfighter isn't perfect, but in a target lock heavy fleet I think he will do a lot better than Ahsoka.
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He uses target locks to wipe buffs with his basic, and hit additional targets and deal extra damage with his special... that also inflicts target lock.
He is pretty tanky AND deals decent damage as well as inflicting offense and defense down. 5s's ship is more versatile than he is as a character, and that's saying a lot because he can fit in practically anywhere and be effective.
Ashoka can be nice in reserve if you need to remove a taunt or counter (from scimitar) fast. Don't use her in your starting lineup, it's terrible on defence.
I have moved him as a reinforcement now that I have Boba.
Umbaran is fast but he grants TM so it messes up my offense at the beginning.
However once the battle is already doing a little TM doesn't make that much of a difference and if TL's are stacked up by Boba and TFP,
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I don't have 5s ship, but it sounds pretty good based on above. It depends on how frequent you are applying target locks from the sound of it. I still havent figured out how to improve that. It seems very RNG, and heavily influences whether a battle is won or lost.
I think Ahsoka is much more important then Umbaran. When Maul's ship comes in, it's a deal breaker unless you can dispel that retribution. Ahsoka is one of the few across the board dispelers for ships. Umbaran just sits there most of the time and does minimal dmg compared to the rest. The only time he is a threat is when Plo or Mace can put a taunt on him while attackers are still up; this combo is extremely effective; otherwise, he is rather lackluster.
I use him under an Ackbar lead.. 6* ship piloted by a G11 fives... hes very hard to take down
The question in thread was if 5s ship is good and somehow now got to if Ashoka's ship is better than 5s lol. It is an impossible comparison as 2 ships are completely different and both are very good in their roles. It would really depend on ur strategy and ur team. Two most common setups nowadays are 2 attackers and 3 tankier ships or 3 attackers and 2 tankier ships, rarely you see 4 attackers and 1 tank.
So if you need tankier ships, 5s is most durable ship in the game, can hit multiple enemies with special or if targeting single target locks 100%, can dispel, and becomes faster as match progresses due to 20% tm gain (albeit his attack gives enemy 25% tm gain). Biggs for tount and 5s for everything above is imo winning combination for tankier ships. Both in my first team.
If you need attackers Ashoka is the only fast high damage dealing ship with dispel, so comes handy, but she is not as fast as some other ships. Poe is the fastest followed by ITP and FOTP and 4th fastest is actually 5s. I run all of them in my first team and when playing on offence Ashoka's ship does not get to take a turn at all before she dies. However, on AI situation is completely different. One way or another a worthy ship.
I'll just leave this here.
The question in thread was if 5s ship is good and somehow now got to if Ashoka's ship is better than 5s lol. It is an impossible comparison as 2 ships are completely different and both are very good in their roles. It would really depend on ur strategy and ur team. Two most common setups nowadays are 2 attackers and 3 tankier ships or 3 attackers and 2 tankier ships, rarely you see 4 attackers and 1 tank.
So if you need tankier ships, 5s is most durable ship in the game, can hit multiple enemies with special or if targeting single target locks 100%, can dispel, and becomes faster as match progresses due to 20% tm gain (albeit his attack gives enemy 25% tm gain). Biggs for tount and 5s for everything above is imo winning combination for tankier ships. Both in my first team.
If you need attackers Ashoka is the only fast high damage dealing ship with dispel, so comes handy, but she is not as fast as some other ships. Poe is the fastest followed by ITP and FOTP and 4th fastest is actually 5s. I run all of them in my first team and when playing on offence Ashoka's ship does not get to take a turn at all before she dies. However, on AI situation is completely different. One way or another a worthy ship. [/quote]
No I get what you are saying, but a common meta is to have Maul's ship come in as a reinforcement and immediately buff. If you don't have a handy dispel to come in and reinforce as well, often times this decides the match. In this way, I was saying Ashoka is more important, not that Umbaran wasn't.
Actually, the question was is 5s ship good, AND is it better than Ahsoka's. So the thread discussing Ahsoka being better than 5s is very valid. I agree that the 2 ships are different, but it wasn't my thread.