Honestly, I think this is one of the better updates. We know what they need to see and we know the parameters.
A Few Teams to Consider:
Geo’s
Night Sisters
Imperial Troopers
Shak Ti Clones
CLS
I’ve noticed most F2P counters take advantage of TM trains or AI/Taunt limitations. I think Malak limits the TM teams, but I hope thats not used a a crutch. A GL should be able to survive the first turn without a toon like Malak.
Malak wouldn't affect any of those teams. Only affects palpatine but its easy to fix with a culling blade to the face
Honestly, I think this is one of the better updates. We know what they need to see and we know the parameters.
A Few Teams to Consider:
Geo’s
Night Sisters
Imperial Troopers
Shak Ti Clones
CLS
I’ve noticed most F2P counters take advantage of TM trains or AI/Taunt limitations. I think Malak limits the TM teams, but I hope thats not used a a crutch. A GL should be able to survive the first turn without a toon like Malak.
Malak wouldn't affect any of those teams. Only affects palpatine but its easy to fix with a culling blade to the face
He inflicts fear on crits. This can absolutely limit the effect of TM teams taking out SEE on the first turn.
Honestly, I think this is one of the better updates. We know what they need to see and we know the parameters.
A Few Teams to Consider:
Geo’s
Night Sisters
Imperial Troopers
Shak Ti Clones
CLS
I’ve noticed most F2P counters take advantage of TM trains or AI/Taunt limitations. I think Malak limits the TM teams, but I hope thats not used a a crutch. A GL should be able to survive the first turn without a toon like Malak.
Malak wouldn't affect any of those teams. Only affects palpatine but its easy to fix with a culling blade to the face
He inflicts fear on crits. This can absolutely limit the effect of TM teams taking out SEE on the first turn.
Fair point, but a GL shouldn't need something like it to hold vs lesser teams
Honestly, I think this is one of the better updates. We know what they need to see and we know the parameters.
A Few Teams to Consider:
Geo’s
Night Sisters
Imperial Troopers
Shak Ti Clones
CLS
I’ve noticed most F2P counters take advantage of TM trains or AI/Taunt limitations. I think Malak limits the TM teams, but I hope thats not used a a crutch. A GL should be able to survive the first turn without a toon like Malak.
Malak wouldn't affect any of those teams. Only affects palpatine but its easy to fix with a culling blade to the face
He inflicts fear on crits. This can absolutely limit the effect of TM teams taking out SEE on the first turn.
Fair point, but a GL shouldn't need something like it to hold vs lesser teams
Honestly, I think this is one of the better updates. We know what they need to see and we know the parameters.
A Few Teams to Consider:
Geo’s
Night Sisters
Imperial Troopers
Shak Ti Clones
CLS
I’ve noticed most F2P counters take advantage of TM trains or AI/Taunt limitations. I think Malak limits the TM teams, but I hope thats not used a a crutch. A GL should be able to survive the first turn without a toon like Malak.
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
Yep, and reasons for SEE farming will be completely lost, as they will prepare another Gls generation,
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
thats not necessarily true, while this hasn't been said, the way the conversation that we are having seems like they are in the decision process and want to make sure the data they have is as solid as possible to support the decision that gets made.
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
thats not necessarily true, while this hasn't been said, the way the conversation that we are having seems like they are in the decision process and want to make sure the data they have is as solid as possible to support the decision that gets made.
Oh I know. That is why I said most likely. I would love to be proven wrong about this
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
Yep, and reasons for SEE farming will be completely lost, as they will prepare another Gls generation,
We also don't know CG' planning of events. Maybe they will focus more on Legendary, EC and Journey characters in 2021. Only CG knows the plan
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
Yep, and reasons for SEE farming will be completely lost, as they will prepare another Gls generation,
We also don't know CG' planning of events. Maybe they will focus more on Legendary, EC and Journey characters in 2021. Only CG knows the plan
2,5 months passed since SEE was released, no improvements have been done, they didn't even fix his Link, to make him valid for RAID and against Kylo's solo. I don't think that by fixing his Link smth will be changed crucially for game balance and make him unbeatable. And even this key spec for SEE owners and actually not very disastrous for other 3 Gls owners have not been done. It looks like CG just want to fool players, they will wait till the moment arena roster become mostly lightside and say hey guys SEE is good against Jedi.
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
Yep, and reasons for SEE farming will be completely lost, as they will prepare another Gls generation,
We also don't know CG' planning of events. Maybe they will focus more on Legendary, EC and Journey characters in 2021. Only CG knows the plan
2,5 months passed since SEE was released, no improvements have been done, they didn't even fix his Link, to make him valid for RAID and against Kylo's solo. I don't think that by fixing his Link smth will be changed crucially for game balance and make him unbeatable. And even this key spec for SEE owners and actually not very disastrous for other 3 Gls owners have not been done. It looks like CG just want to fool players, they will wait till the moment arena roster become mostly lightside and say hey guys SEE is good against Jedi.
Yeah and then a week later drop the req for a new GL that will destroy him.
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
Yep, and reasons for SEE farming will be completely lost, as they will prepare another Gls generation,
We also don't know CG' planning of events. Maybe they will focus more on Legendary, EC and Journey characters in 2021. Only CG knows the plan
2,5 months passed since SEE was released, no improvements have been done, they didn't even fix his Link, to make him valid for RAID and against Kylo's solo. I don't think that by fixing his Link smth will be changed crucially for game balance and make him unbeatable. And even this key spec for SEE owners and actually not very disastrous for other 3 Gls owners have not been done. It looks like CG just want to fool players, they will wait till the moment arena roster become mostly lightside and say hey guys SEE is good against Jedi.
Yeah, Link has to be fixed. It's such a stupid mechanic imo. It even contradicts lore.
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
Yep, and reasons for SEE farming will be completely lost, as they will prepare another Gls generation,
We also don't know CG' planning of events. Maybe they will focus more on Legendary, EC and Journey characters in 2021. Only CG knows the plan
2,5 months passed since SEE was released, no improvements have been done, they didn't even fix his Link, to make him valid for RAID and against Kylo's solo. I don't think that by fixing his Link smth will be changed crucially for game balance and make him unbeatable. And even this key spec for SEE owners and actually not very disastrous for other 3 Gls owners have not been done. It looks like CG just want to fool players, they will wait till the moment arena roster become mostly lightside and say hey guys SEE is good against Jedi.
Yeah, Link has to be fixed. It's such a stupid mechanic imo. It even contradicts lore.
I’ve seen this posted but I never understood why it contradicts lore? I know Snoke is the one who says, “(he) was the one who linked their minds”. But you could argue Palp = Snoke and he does does drain them to revive.
The mechanic makes since to me but I haven’t heard the counter argument. Mind sharing?
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
thats not necessarily true, while this hasn't been said, the way the conversation that we are having seems like they are in the decision process and want to make sure the data they have is as solid as possible to support the decision that gets made.
I guess what makes me lose confidence that anything will happen with SEE is merely the fact that CG is putting it on us to collect data proving SEE is underpowered and just seems to be collecting data for months on end with no word at all.
I don't remember any previously buffed hero in the game needing data to be collected by the community. And I'm not just talking about the SLKR buffs, but also many of the other buffs that have happened to heroes throughout the years. Why is SEE different?
Tbh, if they still have not decided anything then it will most likely be in in february and that is assuming they do anything at all to fix Sheev. Holidays soon and january will most likely be Mando content (The Armourer f.e.).
Yep, and reasons for SEE farming will be completely lost, as they will prepare another Gls generation,
We also don't know CG' planning of events. Maybe they will focus more on Legendary, EC and Journey characters in 2021. Only CG knows the plan
2,5 months passed since SEE was released, no improvements have been done, they didn't even fix his Link, to make him valid for RAID and against Kylo's solo. I don't think that by fixing his Link smth will be changed crucially for game balance and make him unbeatable. And even this key spec for SEE owners and actually not very disastrous for other 3 Gls owners have not been done. It looks like CG just want to fool players, they will wait till the moment arena roster become mostly lightside and say hey guys SEE is good against Jedi.
Yeah, Link has to be fixed. It's such a stupid mechanic imo. It even contradicts lore.
I’ve seen this posted but I never understood why it contradicts lore? I know Snoke is the one who says, “(he) was the one who linked their minds”. But you could argue Palp = Snoke and he does does drain them to revive.
The mechanic makes since to me but I haven’t heard the counter argument. Mind sharing?
Yeah, Sheev drains the Life Force of Ben and Rey with that ability. He does not Link them with that ability. So in lore that ability does something else than in-game. He was surprised by the fact that they were a Dyad in the Force. The Force linked Ben and Rey. Snoke is also not Sheev. Snoke possesed free will. He was created by Sheev and the Sith Eternal tho.
I've been putting SEE on Defense in GAC. He held really well in 3v3 (SEE, BSF, SET). In 5v5 I'm putting him with Maul, Dooku, SET, and Sideous because I don't want to break up my SE team. Here are a couple losses:
I'll see if I can see what my shardmates are doing to climb over the SEE teams.
@Jdredsox can you list out your whole team with SEE.
No problem
R7 SEE lead
R7 Vader
R7 palps
R4 D Revan
R4 BSF (also tested with R6 thrawn in this spot)
Like I said not optimal so not sure how much help it is. We were basically testing for GAC.
As you can see from the quote my SEE didn’t reach ultimate and we both agreed it would have been better with malak in there. (Reason he wasn’t was I use him for solo’s in GAC so wanted to test without). I was surprised that I didn’t kill any of his toons though.
I can also confirm SE can beat SEE, I've had it happen to me in GAC. I'm too busy right now to post my SEE stats but he's R8 with all 6C/6B/6A mods.
And yes I realize sidious and maul aren't the greatest defensive team to put with SEE, but that's kinda the point, if I want a decent defensive team with SEE it means breaking up my SE and Triumvirate teams and losing a lot of offensive capability...
I can also confirm SE can beat SEE, I've had it happen to me in GAC. I'm too busy right now to post my SEE stats but he's R8 with all 6C/6B/6A mods.
And yes I realize sidious and maul aren't the greatest defensive team to put with SEE, but that's kinda the point, if I want a decent defensive team with SEE it means breaking up my SE and Triumvirate teams and losing a lot of offensive capability...
Sid and Maul would be WONDERFUL with SEE if they ever got fixed / updated. Or if SEE lead actually did something useful.
I haven't posted an update here in a while, mostly because there's nothing substantial I can pass along at this point. Kyno has done a good job of working with me on this and I really appreciate it.
The matter is ongoing.
That's all I have for now and more than likely won't have anything new until after the new year.
I haven't posted an update here in a while, mostly because there's nothing substantial I can pass along at this point. Kyno has done a good job of working with me on this and I really appreciate it.
The matter is ongoing.
That's all I have for now and more than likely won't have anything new until after the new year.
I haven't posted an update here in a while, mostly because there's nothing substantial I can pass along at this point. Kyno has done a good job of working with me on this and I really appreciate it.
The matter is ongoing.
That's all I have for now and more than likely won't have anything new until after the new year.
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Malak wouldn't affect any of those teams. Only affects palpatine but its easy to fix with a culling blade to the face
He inflicts fear on crits. This can absolutely limit the effect of TM teams taking out SEE on the first turn.
Fair point, but a GL shouldn't need something like it to hold vs lesser teams
That’s exactly what I said.
If they want it to be rock paper scissors, then no, he shouldn't or it should be very difficult.
If they want every gl to be able to win on offense, then see is failing at that against SLKR.
Right now every other GL can beat every other GL on offense pretty easily except see. He can't beat SLKR without crazy rng.
Don't forget BH
thats not necessarily true, while this hasn't been said, the way the conversation that we are having seems like they are in the decision process and want to make sure the data they have is as solid as possible to support the decision that gets made.
Oh I know. That is why I said most likely. I would love to be proven wrong about this
We also don't know CG' planning of events. Maybe they will focus more on Legendary, EC and Journey characters in 2021. Only CG knows the plan
2,5 months passed since SEE was released, no improvements have been done, they didn't even fix his Link, to make him valid for RAID and against Kylo's solo. I don't think that by fixing his Link smth will be changed crucially for game balance and make him unbeatable. And even this key spec for SEE owners and actually not very disastrous for other 3 Gls owners have not been done. It looks like CG just want to fool players, they will wait till the moment arena roster become mostly lightside and say hey guys SEE is good against Jedi.
Yeah and then a week later drop the req for a new GL that will destroy him.
Yeah, Link has to be fixed. It's such a stupid mechanic imo. It even contradicts lore.
I’ve seen this posted but I never understood why it contradicts lore? I know Snoke is the one who says, “(he) was the one who linked their minds”. But you could argue Palp = Snoke and he does does drain them to revive.
The mechanic makes since to me but I haven’t heard the counter argument. Mind sharing?
I’m not sure there is much I can add as my SEE isn’t optimally modded right now, but I did lose to a full R7 Padme team when I was on defence.
Is this what you need?
I guess what makes me lose confidence that anything will happen with SEE is merely the fact that CG is putting it on us to collect data proving SEE is underpowered and just seems to be collecting data for months on end with no word at all.
I don't remember any previously buffed hero in the game needing data to be collected by the community. And I'm not just talking about the SLKR buffs, but also many of the other buffs that have happened to heroes throughout the years. Why is SEE different?
Yeah, Sheev drains the Life Force of Ben and Rey with that ability. He does not Link them with that ability. So in lore that ability does something else than in-game. He was surprised by the fact that they were a Dyad in the Force. The Force linked Ben and Rey. Snoke is also not Sheev. Snoke possesed free will. He was created by Sheev and the Sith Eternal tho.
I'll see if I can see what my shardmates are doing to climb over the SEE teams.
No problem
R7 SEE lead
R7 Vader
R7 palps
R4 D Revan
R4 BSF (also tested with R6 thrawn in this spot)
Like I said not optimal so not sure how much help it is. We were basically testing for GAC.
As you can see from the quote my SEE didn’t reach ultimate and we both agreed it would have been better with malak in there. (Reason he wasn’t was I use him for solo’s in GAC so wanted to test without). I was surprised that I didn’t kill any of his toons though.
Oh and thank you for the quick response @Kyno
I can also confirm SE can beat SEE, I've had it happen to me in GAC. I'm too busy right now to post my SEE stats but he's R8 with all 6C/6B/6A mods.
And yes I realize sidious and maul aren't the greatest defensive team to put with SEE, but that's kinda the point, if I want a decent defensive team with SEE it means breaking up my SE and Triumvirate teams and losing a lot of offensive capability...
Sid and Maul would be WONDERFUL with SEE if they ever got fixed / updated. Or if SEE lead actually did something useful.
The matter is ongoing.
That's all I have for now and more than likely won't have anything new until after the new year.
😞 this is saddening
But thank you for continuing communication