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Darth Vader gets double immune to turnmeter reduction?

newbornFL
newbornFL
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edited June 2020
Seems a bit...odd?

He already gets turnmeter reduction immunity from his unique zeta, and now he gets it while he has merciless?What would be the point?He already is immuned to TurnMeter Reduction so why would it matter if he is immune while Merciless? I was kinda hoping it was a typo or some other immunity.


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  • Lordwar83
    Lordwar83
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    edited June 2020
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    Where did you read something about turnmeter reduction immunity? ogm7yjffe1nu.jpeg
  • newbornFL
    newbornFL
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    His updated kit is there....click on it and search...

    **sigh**
  • Paulos999
    Paulos999
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    Lol it’s definitely there someone isn’t reading properly.

    Makes it seem like his unique zeta might not be so useful now.
  • Lordwar83
    Lordwar83
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    The kit says turnmeter manipulation and not turnmeter reduction, that is not the same thing
  • newbornFL
    newbornFL
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    edited June 2020
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    This kinda undermines his current unique zeta ?
  • Cweneldic
    Cweneldic
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    he can't gain TM while he has Merciless either.
    while not Merciless, he can gain TM but not lose it.
  • sb_stuartj
    sb_stuartj
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    His unique makes him immune to turn meter reduction and is active even when he's not merciless. Merciless makes him immune to turn meter manipulation so he won't gain turn meter from EP lead or Culling Blade on his last turn as merciless when no enemies are targets anymore, I think.
  • newbornFL
    newbornFL
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    It's a bit confusing
  • Azz_J
    Azz_J
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    So as I understand it, if you are against 5 opponents Vader’s turns should look something like this under a Palp lead:

    1. Force Crush > 2. Merciless Massacre > 3. Basic > 4. Basic > 5. Basic > 6. Basic > 7. Basic > 8. Force Crush > 9. Culling Blade > 10. Basic

    Does this sound about right??
  • Lordwar83
    Lordwar83
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    I hope so 🤣
  • Lexjade
    Lexjade
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    @CG_SBCrumb sir can we have some clarification for this please? Thank you!
  • TheLeviathan777
    TheLeviathan777
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    Azz_J wrote: »
    So as I understand it, if you are against 5 opponents Vader’s turns should look something like this under a Palp lead:

    1. Force Crush > 2. Merciless Massacre > 3. Basic > 4. Basic > 5. Basic > 6. Basic > 7. Basic > 8. Force Crush > 9. Culling Blade > 10. Basic

    Does this sound about right??

    you can totally slip another culling blade in there for damage
  • Ultra
    Ultra
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    sb_stuartj wrote: »
    His unique makes him immune to turn meter reduction and is active even when he's not merciless. Merciless makes him immune to turn meter manipulation so he won't gain turn meter from EP lead or Culling Blade on his last turn as merciless when no enemies are targets anymore, I think.

    this is absolutely correct

    Unique works even when he doesn’t have merciless

    This prevents him from gaining TM as well as losing TM while merciless
  • Kyno
    Kyno
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    edited June 2020
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    sb_stuartj wrote: »
    His unique makes him immune to turn meter reduction and is active even when he's not merciless. Merciless makes him immune to turn meter manipulation so he won't gain turn meter from EP lead or Culling Blade on his last turn as merciless when no enemies are targets anymore, I think.

    This.

    Also not everyone has a zeta on Vader.

    It is redundant on the reduction (if the zeta is present) but it's also to lock in this mechanic from current and future interactions.
  • Kyno
    Kyno
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    Cweneldic wrote: »
    he can't gain TM while he has Merciless either.
    while not Merciless, he can gain TM but not lose it.

    Yes this is correct.
  • Waqui
    Waqui
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    edited June 2020
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    What would TM gain benefit him? I may be reading his kit wrong, but doesn't Vader simply take bonus turns until he loses Merciless again? If he's immune to TM reduction he won't have any use for bonus TM gain.

    (which means the TM manipulation part is already covered by the immunity to TM reduction from his unique zeta, while he has Merciless)
  • Gifafi
    Gifafi
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    Waqui wrote: »
    What would TM gain benefit him? I may be reading his kit wrong, but doesn't Vader simply take bonus turns until he loses Merciless again? If he's immune to TM reduction he won't have any use for bonus TM gain.

    (which means the TM manipulation part is already covered by the immunity to TM reduction from his unique zeta, while he has Merciless)

    TM gain could hurt if SLKR says wassup tho right?
    Maybe End Game isn't for you
  • Evo_Extreme
    Evo_Extreme
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    TheLeviathan777 wrote: »
    Azz_J wrote: »
    So as I understand it, if you are against 5 opponents Vader’s turns should look something like this under a Palp lead:

    1. Force Crush > 2. Merciless Massacre > 3. Basic > 4. Basic > 5. Basic > 6. Basic > 7. Basic > 8. Force Crush > 9. Culling Blade > 10. Basic

    Does this sound about right??

    you can totally slip another culling blade in there for damage

    You could. You might want to save it though. It's a theorycrafter's dream.
  • Waqui
    Waqui
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    Gifafi wrote: »
    Waqui wrote: »
    What would TM gain benefit him? I may be reading his kit wrong, but doesn't Vader simply take bonus turns until he loses Merciless again? If he's immune to TM reduction he won't have any use for bonus TM gain.

    (which means the TM manipulation part is already covered by the immunity to TM reduction from his unique zeta, while he has Merciless)

    TM gain could hurt if SLKR says wassup tho right?

    Vader and SLKR on the same team? OK. You're right.

    However, Vader will remain on 100% TM until he loses Merciless.
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