Dodge Statistics
CG doesn't seem to be interested in either anecdotal evidence or hard numbers when it comes to their broken evasion mechanic. However, I'd like to continue the effort of another poster here who tracked Dooku's dodge rating over a two week period (which ended up being an astounding 39%). To be clear, in a sample size of just under 3000 attacks, that is 25% higher than what is reflected in Dooku's Level 7 leader ability description.
Please don't merge this into the dodge megathread (as if the fact that it exists isn't enough of a clue that the stat is broken) as I'd like this information to be easily accessible. I'll be updating this daily with my PVP battles (as long as I have time).
DATE: DODGES/ATTACKS = PERCENTAGE
May 18: 44/172 = 26%
Please don't merge this into the dodge megathread (as if the fact that it exists isn't enough of a clue that the stat is broken) as I'd like this information to be easily accessible. I'll be updating this daily with my PVP battles (as long as I have time).
DATE: DODGES/ATTACKS = PERCENTAGE
May 18: 44/172 = 26%
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There are characters with passive evasion abilities (which is why you seem to see Poggle dodge more) which boost their dodge rating but every character starts at the same base amount.
To be fair, Rey has Foresight on 2 abilities, Poggle gets bonus Evasion with Droids, Ben has Evasion Up on his basic, and Dooku is lead like 99% of the time you see him.
RG and Daka seem to have high natural rates from my observation.
To add - RG has the highest health pool of any character in the game and taunts several times every battle, meaning you have to attack him more times in a battle than any other character. Of course it seems like he dodges more when you attack him 2-3 times more than anyone else.
I never considered that with RG. Any confirmation-bias checks like that for Daka?
If so, we have no evidence that base dodge rates are variable per toon.
And when I talk about those characters having high dodge ratings, I do take in consideration that they have passive or active abilities that gives them dodge boosts. And even discounting them, they still dodge more frequently than others. Rey dodges a lot, even discounting foresigth, Poggle still dodges a lot even after all other droids are dead (he's always one of the last to die). RG having high health really doesn't have anything to do with how frequently he dodges. I do take into account how many attacks land on him as well. So overall, he does have a decent basic dodge rating.
Honestly, if someone really wants to debunk whether Dookus lead is in fact broken, they need to be more accurate with their data gathering.
Don't count overall dodges of all characters per match. Do overall dodge for one character, one without dooku lead, one with dooku lead. Count only dodges, and make sure no other dodge bonus is in effect.
Old Ben teams dodge just as much as Dooku
I'm guessing it's cause Dooku is used more frequently than the other 2 as leader. But Lumi at least has a qualifier if you want the full benefits, only jedis get the max dodge boost, others get half. Old Ben is slowly popping up more quickly. Matter of time before more people complain about him too.
Track dodge rate of non dodge leaders too. And track individual toons. And then u willnhave the statstics which the devs already have. Congrats.
That's what I mentioned. If someone wants to make a claim that can potentially change the function of a character, at least make sure your data is as accurate as it could be.
Also - I'm aware CG has these statistics already, I mentioned it in the first line of my post...? Simply trying to draw more attention to the issue.
Base dodge is 7.5% based on my tracking. So 22.5% would be Dooku teams dodge rate. This assumes same base dodge for everyone.
Str deviation for 172 trials is roughly 5.
So your range of valuesbased on 172 trials 99.7% of the time would be 38+/-15. Your results are well with expectation:
Please keep updating daily.
How do you count toons with dodge up?
the "chore to read" is most likely because there are 45+ pages of dodge related stuff in the megathread. since your post didnt add anything new or groundbreaking its a matter of time before it will get merged.
no need to get all defensive about it. i wasnt attacking you, just posted my thoughts on how your thread would end up.
i highly doubt that your motives are different from the "complainers/nerf-cryers/noobs" as you call them. Your methods on the other hand are slightly different, but not new or groundbreaking.
Lets be honest, do you really think your thread with those statistics adds value to the whole discussion ? i do appreciate the effort, but i think it will be in vain.
In most cases well sampled statistics have proven EA correct. I think the well collected shard, gear, and ability mat drop rate has added value to the forum. Well collected dodge stats should to.
Dodge is a lot harder to take good data for.
i share your opinion, and it doesnt contradict any of my previous statements about this thread.
If base dodge is 7.5% then with Dooku lead, I understand it would multiply. So 1.075x1.15=23.6% dodge. Let's take RP: 23.6x1.05=29.8%.
So almost 1 shot in 4 should miss against dodge lead team, and 1 shot in 3 against a character like RP. Based on my limited experience, those figures are quite in line with what is happening in game.
In short, the AI isn't rigged imo.