Don't fall for it! Nerfers can't ever be satisfied...

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... As the title says... an outspoken few on these forums make demands to CG and team to nerf swgoh in their "fair & balanced opinions"... Just remember, caving in to this group of people only empowers them to ask for more, until finally we're all left with a game of patty-cake and gumby heroes.
what an ugly thing to say... does this mean we're not friends anymore?

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    Pretty much. The most mob just got their Wiggs and Chaze Nerf under the convenient title 'bug fix'
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    DarthBarron (Kevin, aka KevWalker)
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    Mob enforcer is now better than rebels
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    Too funny. I think chewy has a place for countering chaze now too!!

    I do get it though. The time/energy/crystals needed to invest in a toon is tremendous in this game. And if you are on the wrong side of poe, Rey, Barris, chaze, wiggs, maul, ( and I could go on and on from the nerfer's recent targets since launch of swgoh), if you're on the wrong side of that investment, I get it why a nerf seems reasonable. Imo, everyone wants to win, and when they can't then frustration grows, dissatisfaction grows, and a general distaste for the game. I believe every person tries to ensure that life is fair, at least from their pov, and that fairness idea is impressed on their video games which often is an outlet.

    I just don't run with the pact, and I actually enjoy the challenge, and am generally opposed to nerf because winners and losers are created from actions not originating from gamers, but changes in rules. I too seek fairness in my life, and to me, nothing is more unfair than a rule change changing winners into losers. You see, I too am a reasonable person with balanced opinions.
    what an ugly thing to say... does this mean we're not friends anymore?
  • Dreislao
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    Sadly the internet is a bubble dominated by the loudest, most unrepresentative voices; an infinitesimally small minority of a minority which, deaf to reason and the opinions of others, deludes itself that somehow it is the voice of the majority. An infinite echo chamber of shrieking, witless banality. It's never been more true than the last few hours with the reaction to the Vader changes.
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    Dreislao wrote: »
    Sadly the internet is a bubble dominated by the loudest, most unrepresentative voices; an infinitesimally small minority of a minority which, deaf to reason and the opinions of others, deludes itself that somehow it is the voice of the majority. An infinite echo chamber of shrieking, witless banality. It's never been more true than the last few hours with the reaction to the Vader changes.

    Thought-provoking
    what an ugly thing to say... does this mean we're not friends anymore?
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    Dreislao wrote: »
    Sadly the internet is a bubble dominated by the loudest, most unrepresentative voices; an infinitesimally small minority of a minority which, deaf to reason and the opinions of others, deludes itself that somehow it is the voice of the majority. An infinite echo chamber of shrieking, witless banality. It's never been more true than the last few hours with the reaction to the Vader changes.

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  • Supercat
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    Pretty much. The most mob just got their Wiggs and Chaze Nerf under the convenient title 'bug fix'

    It was a bug fix...
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  • Zooey
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    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.
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    Lul thinking the nerf will stop chaze.. it was barly a nerf
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    Zooey wrote: »
    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.

    I don't agree Zader was a nerf. It was clearly posted in the bugs section of the forums as a bug.
    what an ugly thing to say... does this mean we're not friends anymore?
  • SpendsAlot
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    Zooey wrote: »
    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.

    I don't agree Zader was a nerf. It was clearly posted in the bugs section of the forums as a bug.

    Instead of saying it's a bug a few months or years later to fix it....they should just keep it and alter the description
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    Supercat wrote: »
    Pretty much. The most mob just got their Wiggs and Chaze Nerf under the convenient title 'bug fix'

    It was a bug fix...

    It was the same fix as the Wiggs fix. Wiggs was confirmed as working as intended and has been running for a year soon. Krennic and DT are some of the newest toons and needed the same "fix".

    Convenient title, just like DarthBarron said. It's nothing else than a nerf.
    There was no bug - it can't be a bugfix.
  • CleverWes
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    Supercat wrote: »
    Pretty much. The most mob just got their Wiggs and Chaze Nerf under the convenient title 'bug fix'

    It was a bug fix...

    It was the same fix as the Wiggs fix. Wiggs was confirmed as working as intended and has been running for a year soon. Krennic and DT are some of the newest toons and needed the same "fix".

    Convenient title, just like DarthBarron said. It's nothing else than a nerf.
    There was no bug - it can't be a bugfix.

    Where was it confirmed that wiggs was wai? I'd like to see that.
  • leef
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    Supercat wrote: »
    Pretty much. The most mob just got their Wiggs and Chaze Nerf under the convenient title 'bug fix'

    It was a bug fix...

    It was the same fix as the Wiggs fix. Wiggs was confirmed as working as intended and has been running for a year soon. Krennic and DT are some of the newest toons and needed the same "fix".

    Convenient title, just like DarthBarron said. It's nothing else than a nerf.
    There was no bug - it can't be a bugfix.

    In your oppinion, did IG-88 get buffed or did they fix a bug that affected only ig-88?
    "IG-88: Healing Immunity inflicted by "Mortal Wound" will now correctly block Health Steal and Protection healing"
    you could argue that this known bug was actually working as intended, but they only recently decided that IG-88 could use healing immunity debuff on his basic that worked the same as all other healing immunity debuffs aflicted by other characters.
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    Dreislao wrote: »
    Sadly the internet is a bubble dominated by the loudest, most unrepresentative voices; an infinitesimally small minority of a minority which, deaf to reason and the opinions of others, deludes itself that somehow it is the voice of the majority. An infinite echo chamber of shrieking, witless banality. It's never been more true than the last few hours with the reaction to the Vader changes.

    Absolutely - that's why you see companies now react so quickly to protests or product bans. Social media amplifies everything like 100 fold.
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    Chirrut Îmwe gains +17% Counter Chance and Health Steal for each living enemy, doubled for Empire enemies. If Baze Malbus is present he also gains these bonuses.


  • SpendsAlot
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    Zooey wrote: »
    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.

    I don't agree Zader was a nerf. It was clearly posted in the bugs section of the forums as a bug.

    Instead of saying it's a bug a few months or years later to fix it....they should just keep it and alter the description
    Dreislao wrote: »
    Sadly the internet is a bubble dominated by the loudest, most unrepresentative voices; an infinitesimally small minority of a minority which, deaf to reason and the opinions of others, deludes itself that somehow it is the voice of the majority. An infinite echo chamber of shrieking, witless banality. It's never been more true than the last few hours with the reaction to the Vader changes.

    Absolutely - that's why you see companies now react so quickly to protests or product bans. Social media amplifies everything like 100 fold.

    Yup the smallest of things could be the next news article online enticing OTHERS to not pick up the game or even quit just because some whiney players wanted to voice their opinion.
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    Zooey wrote: »
    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.

    I don't agree Zader was a nerf. It was clearly posted in the bugs section of the forums as a bug.

    It wasn't a nerf - but I think they have some responsibility with their product. My situation I zeta'd him right after he was supposedly fixed and before common knowledge about him being bugged was on the forums. At some point you have to be able to actually look at how something is performing in game and have faith it's correct. CG has some responsibility here I think to stand by their product. I'm not going to make a huge deal about it, but they shouldn't be allowed to put out a dysfunctional product twice with no recognition to the customer.
  • Gank_Killer
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    Not a nerf. Time to remove the diaper, put on the big boy pants.
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    I am offended by the term nerfer. I prefer the term : Balance Warrior. :wink:
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    A lot of the nerfers even try to be all sneaky and disguise their nerf requests as "bug reports." We've got you all figured out, you nerfers! :#
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    Zooey wrote: »
    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.

    I don't agree Zader was a nerf. It was clearly posted in the bugs section of the forums as a bug.

    It wasn't a nerf - but I think they have some responsibility with their product. My situation I zeta'd him right after he was supposedly fixed and before common knowledge about him being bugged was on the forums. At some point you have to be able to actually look at how something is performing in game and have faith it's correct. CG has some responsibility here I think to stand by their product. I'm not going to make a huge deal about it, but they shouldn't be allowed to put out a dysfunctional product twice with no recognition to the customer.

    I whole heartedly agree, and my motto: it has to be perfect the 1st time - for credibility sake with gamers who actually rely on CG for excellence in design; and for programming efficiency sake as touching code twice instead of once doubles the cost of that code.

    I clearly distinguish bug fixes from nerf, and in the recent update to be pushed out shortly, it appears at 1st glance that these were all bug fixes versus a straight nerf. I would add in the spirit of your response, a bug fix doesn't excuse responsibility. I zeta'd Zader, and knowing he still performs well in Haat is good enough for me to want to keep my Zader.
    what an ugly thing to say... does this mean we're not friends anymore?
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    Zooey wrote: »
    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.

    I don't agree Zader was a nerf. It was clearly posted in the bugs section of the forums as a bug.

    It wasn't a nerf - but I think they have some responsibility with their product. My situation I zeta'd him right after he was supposedly fixed and before common knowledge about him being bugged was on the forums. At some point you have to be able to actually look at how something is performing in game and have faith it's correct. CG has some responsibility here I think to stand by their product. I'm not going to make a huge deal about it, but they shouldn't be allowed to put out a dysfunctional product twice with no recognition to the customer.
    and for programming efficiency sake as touching code twice instead of once doubles the cost of that code.

    I realized after posting this comment is not clear. Try this. Imagine how better the game would be, if no resources/costs had to be allocated to the required bug fixes demanded by gamers, if the design and execution were flawless on the initial code. The game would be even more awesome than it is now. That's how efficiency impacts my game play.
    what an ugly thing to say... does this mean we're not friends anymore?
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    As for Zaul the correct bug was not fixed. The correct action would have been to change the ability wording to match what was actually happening in game.

    They went the wrong way with this one.
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  • Nikoms565
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    Zooey wrote: »
    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.

    I don't agree Zader was a nerf. It was clearly posted in the bugs section of the forums as a bug.

    It wasn't a nerf - but I think they have some responsibility with their product. My situation I zeta'd him right after he was supposedly fixed and before common knowledge about him being bugged was on the forums. At some point you have to be able to actually look at how something is performing in game and have faith it's correct. CG has some responsibility here I think to stand by their product. I'm not going to make a huge deal about it, but they shouldn't be allowed to put out a dysfunctional product twice with no recognition to the customer.
    and for programming efficiency sake as touching code twice instead of once doubles the cost of that code.

    I realized after posting this comment is not clear. Try this. Imagine how better the game would be, if no resources/costs had to be allocated to the required bug fixes demanded by gamers, if the design and execution were flawless on the initial code. The game would be even more awesome than it is now. That's how efficiency impacts my game play.

    Have you ever played any other online or mobile game? I have played several - and they ALL have bugs and patches and balance fixes, especially those that continue to add new content after launch. If you are expecting a "flawless" design and execution in the initial code, then I can see why you are disappointed - and will be with virtually any online or mobile game you ever play. That expectation is completely and totally unrealistic in the current state of coding and programming.
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    Nikoms565 wrote: »
    Zooey wrote: »
    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.

    I don't agree Zader was a nerf. It was clearly posted in the bugs section of the forums as a bug.

    It wasn't a nerf - but I think they have some responsibility with their product. My situation I zeta'd him right after he was supposedly fixed and before common knowledge about him being bugged was on the forums. At some point you have to be able to actually look at how something is performing in game and have faith it's correct. CG has some responsibility here I think to stand by their product. I'm not going to make a huge deal about it, but they shouldn't be allowed to put out a dysfunctional product twice with no recognition to the customer.
    and for programming efficiency sake as touching code twice instead of once doubles the cost of that code.

    I realized after posting this comment is not clear. Try this. Imagine how better the game would be, if no resources/costs had to be allocated to the required bug fixes demanded by gamers, if the design and execution were flawless on the initial code. The game would be even more awesome than it is now. That's how efficiency impacts my game play.

    Have you ever played any other online or mobile game? I have played several - and they ALL have bugs and patches and balance fixes, especially those that continue to add new content after launch. If you are expecting a "flawless" design and execution in the initial code, then I can see why you are disappointed - and will be with virtually any online or mobile game you ever play. That expectation is completely and totally unrealistic in the current state of coding and programming.

    Does it then follow that we have no obligation to be right the 1st time? At my job, I have to be right, as leadership and even the board, demands it. Why shouldn't customers demand a good product too, regardless of how it actually is in the real world. Yes people make mistakes, but that doesn't excuse the mistake when quality is required, especially if I buy something.
    what an ugly thing to say... does this mean we're not friends anymore?
  • Valjean
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    Amen. The changes in this update are straight demoralizing.
    valjean913 or BHG Valjean#5571
  • Jedi_Reach_
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    Nikoms565 wrote: »
    Zooey wrote: »
    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.

    I don't agree Zader was a nerf. It was clearly posted in the bugs section of the forums as a bug.

    It wasn't a nerf - but I think they have some responsibility with their product. My situation I zeta'd him right after he was supposedly fixed and before common knowledge about him being bugged was on the forums. At some point you have to be able to actually look at how something is performing in game and have faith it's correct. CG has some responsibility here I think to stand by their product. I'm not going to make a huge deal about it, but they shouldn't be allowed to put out a dysfunctional product twice with no recognition to the customer.
    and for programming efficiency sake as touching code twice instead of once doubles the cost of that code.

    I realized after posting this comment is not clear. Try this. Imagine how better the game would be, if no resources/costs had to be allocated to the required bug fixes demanded by gamers, if the design and execution were flawless on the initial code. The game would be even more awesome than it is now. That's how efficiency impacts my game play.

    Have you ever played any other online or mobile game? I have played several - and they ALL have bugs and patches and balance fixes, especially those that continue to add new content after launch. If you are expecting a "flawless" design and execution in the initial code, then I can see why you are disappointed - and will be with virtually any online or mobile game you ever play. That expectation is completely and totally unrealistic in the current state of coding and programming.
    This.
  • Smithie
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    Nikoms565 wrote: »
    Zooey wrote: »
    Honestly I'm more **** at the people asking for refunds with the Zader fix. That's most of the problem here imo, devs can't properly balance the game because people will ask for refunds if something gets changed.

    I don't agree Zader was a nerf. It was clearly posted in the bugs section of the forums as a bug.

    It wasn't a nerf - but I think they have some responsibility with their product. My situation I zeta'd him right after he was supposedly fixed and before common knowledge about him being bugged was on the forums. At some point you have to be able to actually look at how something is performing in game and have faith it's correct. CG has some responsibility here I think to stand by their product. I'm not going to make a huge deal about it, but they shouldn't be allowed to put out a dysfunctional product twice with no recognition to the customer.
    and for programming efficiency sake as touching code twice instead of once doubles the cost of that code.

    I realized after posting this comment is not clear. Try this. Imagine how better the game would be, if no resources/costs had to be allocated to the required bug fixes demanded by gamers, if the design and execution were flawless on the initial code. The game would be even more awesome than it is now. That's how efficiency impacts my game play.

    Have you ever played any other online or mobile game? I have played several - and they ALL have bugs and patches and balance fixes, especially those that continue to add new content after launch. If you are expecting a "flawless" design and execution in the initial code, then I can see why you are disappointed - and will be with virtually any online or mobile game you ever play. That expectation is completely and totally unrealistic in the current state of coding and programming.

    Does it then follow that we have no obligation to be right the 1st time? At my job, I have to be right, as leadership and even the board, demands it. Why shouldn't customers demand a good product too, regardless of how it actually is in the real world. Yes people make mistakes, but that doesn't excuse the mistake when quality is required, especially if I buy something.

    In programing mistakes have to be made to learn from it. Where all human and if mistakes wasnt made we wouldnt be able to improve as nobody would take a risk.

    Programs and games these days have fixes nerfs changes that is part of the gaming world no game gets it right 1st time on everything in todays day

    This Game is a free title and can be played for free and would have much less budget than say Battlefront 2 or Fifa 18. So games like this will obtain bugets as it goes along for fixes and new content. Even 50$ titles have bug fixes and nerfs its the gaming industry
  • Theophany
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    I can't wait to post more bug reports to see these types of reactions when they're fixed lol
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