Vader rework - Force choke
May 14, 2017 6:59AM
edited May 2017
Does anyone else think Vader should get a rework to implement this iconic move? It could be target to one character and kill them after say three turns taking away a portion if their health each time?
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Like an annihilate with a 3 turn duration, and on the third automatically KO him.
But it has to be dispellable. With maybe a 3 turn CD. Otherwise we're basically fighting a faster nihilist.
Yeah I agree because even if it only lasts 1 turn then gets dispelled it would still take away like a third of health/protection and it would make progress to making Vader viable at the top of arena again perhaps?
zAder.. *mic drop*
Keep it real, Tarkin is the only one who can dispell.
"I find your lack of faith disturbing"
"Enough of this vader, release him"
"As you wish"
Or make it synergistic. Vader applies choke, and effects work as intended at the correct time. But if tark is present, he can call off vader, dispelling the choke, and applying "motivation" to all empire allies. Motivation gives critical chance up, speed up, offense up, defense up for 2 turns. Or something to that effect.
I wouldn't mind force crush getting intermingled with a force choke on the primary target. This could compensate for the long cooldown and it wouldn't make for wrong choices by defender controlled Vaders.
Finally, he does need a unique. He is replaceable in any squad in which he isn't the leader. And as @JohnnySteelAlpha mentioned, too many cleanses now to make his cb worth anything outside of his leader role.
I love the idea of blaster reflect and I'd like to see the "can't be dispelled" clause moved from his lead to his unique and add a new clause to his lead skill of: empire/sith allies add a dot when they inflict a debuff.
Chirrut and Baze get 5 skills, but VADER doesn't? Who's flying this thing?
His Force choke it's a classical move, even though i run Jedi, i think this would be cool.
Make culling blade where it works with buffs as well a short debuffs, much like Boba's execute.
His culling blade already crits in the high 80Ks. What exactly are you asking for with this adjustment? Why not make him able to mow down a rancor with his backswing as well?
Haha vaders backswing is probably worth more than a wiggs special....in the canon.
However force choke is very much iconic with vader. Perhaps his force crush should invoke a choke on the primary target but no dots. Dots and speed down still applied to all other toons. The effect could be similar to the special attack from the side droids in p3 aat that forces the primary target to lose tm whenever they take damage for 1 turn.
I dont use vader personally but this would be a cool boost to his ability set.
i say add a choke effect on the initial target & the standard dots & spd down on all targets. choke would then kill the initially targeted toon in 3 turns if it had no protection, removing protection entirely if it had any instead - so as not to make it too op.
if not viable for such an update, then perhaps dun moch or kinetite can be added as his unique. dun moch can cause defense & tenacity down on his targeted toon at the end of every turn w/ a chance at inflicting it also on an addl random jedi or rebel. or, he can fire a ball of kinetite randomly at a non debuffed toon w/ the chance of damaging an addl debuffed toon (sort of like a weakened palpatine unique) w/c inflicts 1 dot on a successful hit to each.
but yeah, i agree, w/ the current release & toon cadence, it does seem like the dark lord is being weakened significantly w/c isnt supposed to be the case.
yes, addl synergy added to tarkin related to vader would be fun too. allowing tarkin to dispel debuffs fron opponents when w/ vader then turning it into motivational buffs for empire toons would be great too - of course, at a risk to his squad (again, wouldnt wanna make it op to cause an imbalance on the game).
I would probably go for something like: Stun the target and deals a large portion of their health. Persists until Vader is hit by a single-target ability or stunned. Does the damage again at the start of Vader's turns for as long as it remains on the target, however Vader can only use his basic attack while this effect is on someone. Zeta lets him use his Saber Throw as well.
This is a nice idea. With all the tenacity and cleanse teams taking over right now it makes Vader pretty poor in arena. This would be a simple change that wouldn't be too overpowered in my opinion. Vader is already very slow, and combined with a long cooldown on Culling Blade he struggles hard. His basic got a nice damage buff a while ago, but it is still on the low side compared to a lot of other top-tier attackers, and combined with such a slow speed then yeah...
oh, nice idea! simple & i like it!
but, wouldnt it be just a redundancy in terms of fett having the same ability already?
either way, you have a very good point.
That's what Vader should be like.
still won't work vs triple cleanse.