Why does Rex ignore a successful DN drain?

BIEBERyoloSWAG

So i was fighting a rex team and they all had a debuff. My DN comes up to plate and does his drain force move. Since everyone on opponents team was debuffed it is a 100 percent chance to raise the opponents cool downs by 1, including rex. So I'm stacking debuff after debuff on these guys and here comes rex on his first turn since DN cool down increase, and what does this guy do? He freaking uses his special and gets rid of all debuffs...****. is this correct? Why didn't he attack once then use his special next turn?

MaathFaselli_1

if he had foresight he could have deflected it

Boreas

Did he have foresight?

JacenRoe

Yup, even without foresight he might dodge. Did you see the red text pop up indicating that his cooldown increased?

The other problem comes in when he gets so much TM from crits that his turn comes around faster than I realize. If you accounted for all that and he STILL used it right away then it might be a bug that needs to be reported.

Nikoms565

He doesn't even need foresight. It can be resisted/evaded - whatever it is specifically called. Happens all the time.

Kyno

Nikoms565 wrote: »

He doesn't even need foresight. It can be resisted/evaded - whatever it is specifically called. Happens all the time.

@Nikoms565 can it be resisted? I didn't think that was the case, I know it's only a 50%proc (100% debuffed target), but after that it doesn't go through a tendency/potency check so how could it be resisted?

Scorn

Was Rex stunned at all either before or after DN used his Force Drain? DN's cool down increase is wasted on a stunned enemy, as the stun and cool down basically reset at the same time. So the opponent's "first" action will make all abilities available again.

Lossberg

It cannot be resisted but still can be evaded.

Mr_Sausage

Kyno wrote: »

Nikoms565 wrote: »

He doesn't even need foresight. It can be resisted/evaded - whatever it is specifically called. Happens all the time.

@Nikoms565 can it be resisted? I didn't think that was the case, I know it's only a 50%proc (100% debuffed target), but after that it doesn't go through a tendency/potency check so how could it be resisted?

I've seen it deflected before. I don't think I've ever seen resisted.

kodias

It hits through tenacity up so it cannot be resisted. Only way to avoid it is by dodging or deflecting it.

JacenRoe

Mr_Sausage wrote: »

Kyno wrote: »

Nikoms565 wrote: »

He doesn't even need foresight. It can be resisted/evaded - whatever it is specifically called. Happens all the time.

@Nikoms565 can it be resisted? I didn't think that was the case, I know it's only a 50%proc (100% debuffed target), but after that it doesn't go through a tendency/potency check so how could it be resisted?

I've seen it deflected before. I don't think I've ever seen resisted.

Yeah, deflected is what it's called when you dodge a special damage attack. Basically identical. But it cannot be resisted.

BIEBERyoloSWAG

Scorn wrote: »

Was Rex stunned at all either before or after DN used his Force Drain? DN's cool down increase is wasted on a stunned enemy, as the stun and cool down basically reset at the same time. So the opponent's "first" action will make all abilities available again.

He was stunned from emperor palp. I did not know this was the case

BIEBERyoloSWAG

And to everyone else, how can it be deflected off its 100 percent chance to hit? I think the stunned theory is the case for what happened

JacenRoe

BIEBERyoloSWAG wrote: »

And to everyone else, how can it be deflected off its 100 percent chance to hit? I think the stunned theory is the case for what happened

100% chance to attempt the cooldown reduction... IF the attack hits. It can be dodged.

Huatimus

It was stunned by EP so no evade/deflection. OP did not take into account that Countdown would still decrease while stunned.

Nikoms565

Kyno wrote: »

Nikoms565 wrote: »

He doesn't even need foresight. It can be resisted/evaded - whatever it is specifically called. Happens all the time.

@Nikoms565 can it be resisted? I didn't think that was the case, I know it's only a 50%proc (100% debuffed target), but after that it doesn't go through a tendency/potency check so how could it be resisted?

Yeah, sorry. "deflected" is the term, not resisted.

JacenRoe

Huatimus wrote: »

It was stunned by EP so no evade/deflection. OP did not take into account that Countdown would still decrease while stunned.

Absolutely correct in this case. From what he said that is what happened here. However this statement...

BIEBERyoloSWAG wrote: »

And to everyone else, how can it be deflected off its 100 percent chance to hit?

...this is not correct. If the character is debuffed there is a 100% chance to increase cooldown IF the attack hits. It can't be resisted, but it can be evaded.

@_Scorn already solved this mystery, however for future issues I just wanted to make sure that we all know that unavoidable and irresistible are two different things.

Kyno

Nikoms565 wrote: »

Kyno wrote: »

Nikoms565 wrote: »

He doesn't even need foresight. It can be resisted/evaded - whatever it is specifically called. Happens all the time.

Nikoms565 can it be resisted? I didn't think that was the case, I know it's only a 50%proc (100% debuffed target), but after that it doesn't go through a tendency/potency check so how could it be resisted?

Yeah, sorry. "deflected" is the term, not resisted.

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