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I was curious if there is a formula to calculate the speed Maul's 20% TM gain gives at the start of an encounter. For example: Enemy Dooku base speed 161, 209 after mods. He beats my SA(235) under a Zader lead.In fact even his 194 EP goes ahead of me. Does the TM gain give percentage off base, or mods as well?

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    209 x 1.25
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    Whatever their speed is after mods x 1.25
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    Ok, thanks. That is good to know.
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    Whatever their speed is after mods x 1.25

    Are you sure it is not x1.20?
    20/100 tm is what zaul starts with not 25/100
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    Has to be 1.25 otherwise my SA would have went before his EP.
  • Iolaus
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    Whatever their speed is after mods x 1.25

    why 1.25? it should be x1.2 has the bonus is 20% or is there another 5% bonus I am missing? :)
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    Does the enemy team also have an SA?
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    I would think 1.2 also, but the math...1.2 x 194=232.8 My SA is 235 and his 194 EP went before her.
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    No they have no SA. Their Dooku went, then their EP, then my SA. I lost because everybody but my SA got stunned, I just wanted to know the formula.
  • Pyrefly
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    1.25 (5/4) is the inverse of 80% (4/5).
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  • Iolaus
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    edited July 2017
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    I would think 1.2 also, but the math...1.2 x 194=232.8 My SA is 235 and his 194 EP went before her.

    no if dooku speed is 209, with the 20% bonus he will have 250.8
    so it is above your 235 :D
  • TofuMao
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    You don't multiply really, the truth is that they only have to fill 80% of their turn meter so whatever speed they have you have to divide by 0.8 , that's the amount of TM Barr they have to fill, wich is the same as multiplying by 1.25.
    That's the beauty of maths ^_^
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    Iolaus wrote: »
    I would think 1.2 also, but the math...1.2 x 194=232.8 My SA is 235 and his 194 EP went before her.

    no if dooku speed is 209, with the 20% bonus he will have 250.8
    so it is above your 235 :D
    250 actually, assuming we're using 20%
  • Iolaus
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    TofuMao wrote: »
    You don't multiply really, the truth is that they only have to fill 80% of their turn meter so whatever speed they have you have to divide by 0.8 , that's the amount of TM Barr they have to fill, wich is the same as multiplying by 1.25.
    That's the beauty of maths ^_^

    yeah it makes sense ^^
  • Crazylazyguy
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    edited July 2017
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    209 + (209x0.2) = 209 + 41.8 = 250.8

    You could also do 209 x 1.2 directly.
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    Therefore 209 speed is like 261
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    Ahh, the OP isn't using Zaul. Then yes, he should def be faster. Even his EP has like 242 effective starting speed.
  • Crazylazyguy
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    edited July 2017
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    TofuMao wrote: »
    You don't multiply really, the truth is that they only have to fill 80% of their turn meter so whatever speed they have you have to divide by 0.8 , that's the amount of TM Barr they have to fill, wich is the same as multiplying by 1.25.
    That's the beauty of maths ^_^

    This makes no sense, by doing so you calculate how much more "speed" they need in order to fill their TM fully. Not how much speed, considered the TM they'll get with Zaul's 20%, they have at the start of the encounter.
  • TofuMao
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    209 + (209x0.2) = 209 + 41.8 = 250.8

    You could also do 209 x 1.2 directly.

    No, get a calculator and do it yourself. You are getting the point wrong, it's not adding 20% speed it's taking of a 0,2 of the TM bar, then, they only have to fill 0.8 of their TM wich is in a way faster. 209x0,8=261,5 geez this people that can't add up and even have the guts to post before checking what's right or wrong.

    By what you say, the OP's opposite palpa would have an effective speed of 194x1,2=232,8 so his SA at 235 would go before, but no, as palpa only has to fill 0,8 of he TM bar is 194/0,8=242,5 wich is the real speed he gets for the first turn.
  • Damba_Ba
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    edited July 2017
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    It's not x 1.2, it's ÷ 0.8, which is the same as x1.25
  • Rapid
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    209 + (209x0.2) = 209 + 41.8 = 250.8

    You could also do 209 x 1.2 directly.

    Sorry mate but you're completely wrong here and shouldn't be posting incorrect information. I'm not going to get into the Maths of it. The simple way to figure it out is speed x 1.25 (NOT 1.2).
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    TofuMao wrote: »
    209 + (209x0.2) = 209 + 41.8 = 250.8

    You could also do 209 x 1.2 directly.

    No, get a calculator and do it yourself. You are getting the point wrong, it's not adding 20% speed it's taking of a 0,2 of the TM bar, then, they only have to fill 0.8 of their TM wich is in a way faster. 209x0,8=261,5 geez this people that can't add up and even have the guts to post before checking what's right or wrong.

    By what you say, the OP's opposite palpa would have an effective speed of 194x1,2=232,8 so his SA at 235 would go before, but no, as palpa only has to fill 0,8 of he TM bar is 194/0,8=242,5 wich is the real speed he gets for the first turn.

    Read the post above you, you're not calculating at what speed they'll start, you are calculating how much more speed they'll need in order to fill the TM. Why? What you want to figure out is how much speed YOU need to go before them. So you calculate it by doing 209 x 1.2 which gives you 250.8 speed. This is the speed at which Dooku will begin his turn and in order to beat him you'll need 252 speed.


    Also you can't talk about someone not being able to sum up, and in the same moment saying that 209x0,8 = 261.5...... 209 x 0,8 = 167. And then you need to add 167 to 209 which gives you 376 speed. Are you trying to tell me that his Dooku is going to have 376 speed at the start of the encounter??

    376 speed is how much more he needs on top of the 250.8 to go first. Even if you did it correctly(which is 209 x 0,25 by your logic) and got 261,5, this is still the wrong answer. Zaul doesn't give 0,25 which 25% bonus TM. He gives 20%.
  • TofuMao
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    TofuMao wrote: »
    209 + (209x0.2) = 209 + 41.8 = 250.8

    You could also do 209 x 1.2 directly.

    No, get a calculator and do it yourself. You are getting the point wrong, it's not adding 20% speed it's taking of a 0,2 of the TM bar, then, they only have to fill 0.8 of their TM wich is in a way faster. 209x0,8=261,5 geez this people that can't add up and even have the guts to post before checking what's right or wrong.

    By what you say, the OP's opposite palpa would have an effective speed of 194x1,2=232,8 so his SA at 235 would go before, but no, as palpa only has to fill 0,8 of he TM bar is 194/0,8=242,5 wich is the real speed he gets for the first turn.

    Read the post above you, you're not calculating at what speed they'll start, you are calculating how much more speed they'll need in order to fill the TM. Why? What you want to figure out is how much speed YOU need to go before them. So you calculate it by doing 209 x 1.2 which gives you 250.8 speed. This is the speed at which Dooku will begin his turn and in order to beat him you'll need 252 speed.


    Also you can't talk about someone not being able to sum up, and in the same moment saying that 209x0,8 = 261.5...... 209 x 0,8 = 167. And then you need to add 167 to 209 which gives you 376 speed. Are you trying to tell me that his Dooku is going to have 376 speed at the start of the encounter??

    376 speed is how much more he needs on top of the 250.8 to go first. Even if you did it correctly(which is 209 x 0,25 by your logic) and got 261,5, this is still the wrong answer. Zaul doesn't give 0,25 which 25% bonus TM. He gives 20%.

    Just lol, get a calculator, I said 209/0,8 not X, you keep believeing what you think, but stop giving misleading information, by why you said the OP's Sith Assassin would go before the enemy 's palpa, but it doesn't because the calculation it's how I said. Just keep believeing the wrong thing and tryin to be right. But you are wrong, you don't even know what you are talking about. Go and learn some maths. Or else reread my post where I explain perfectly how to do the maths.
  • Iolaus
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    Iolaus wrote: »
    I would think 1.2 also, but the math...1.2 x 194=232.8 My SA is 235 and his 194 EP went before her.

    no if dooku speed is 209, with the 20% bonus he will have 250.8
    so it is above your 235 :D
    250 actually, assuming we're using 20%

    Yes, I used 201 in my first post but I updated it later with the correct speed. anyway good eyes :wink:
  • Pyrefly
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    Think about it this way. Pretend Dooku has 100 speed, and the TM is 1000 speed units long. It would take 10 ticks to get full TM. Under Zaul, he'd start at 200/1000, so he would only need 800, or 8 ticks, to reach full TM.
    For a character on the other team, you'd be starting at 0/1000, so in order to match Dooku, you'd need to do the full 1000 in 8 ticks, which is 1000/8, or 125 speed.
    This is because if you spell the math out, you're really dividing by 0.8, which correlates to multiplying by 1.25.
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    TofuMao wrote: »
    TofuMao wrote: »
    209 + (209x0.2) = 209 + 41.8 = 250.8

    You could also do 209 x 1.2 directly.

    No, get a calculator and do it yourself. You are getting the point wrong, it's not adding 20% speed it's taking of a 0,2 of the TM bar, then, they only have to fill 0.8 of their TM wich is in a way faster. 209x0,8=261,5 geez this people that can't add up and even have the guts to post before checking what's right or wrong.

    By what you say, the OP's opposite palpa would have an effective speed of 194x1,2=232,8 so his SA at 235 would go before, but no, as palpa only has to fill 0,8 of he TM bar is 194/0,8=242,5 wich is the real speed he gets for the first turn.

    Read the post above you, you're not calculating at what speed they'll start, you are calculating how much more speed they'll need in order to fill the TM. Why? What you want to figure out is how much speed YOU need to go before them. So you calculate it by doing 209 x 1.2 which gives you 250.8 speed. This is the speed at which Dooku will begin his turn and in order to beat him you'll need 252 speed.


    Also you can't talk about someone not being able to sum up, and in the same moment saying that 209x0,8 = 261.5...... 209 x 0,8 = 167. And then you need to add 167 to 209 which gives you 376 speed. Are you trying to tell me that his Dooku is going to have 376 speed at the start of the encounter??

    376 speed is how much more he needs on top of the 250.8 to go first. Even if you did it correctly(which is 209 x 0,25 by your logic) and got 261,5, this is still the wrong answer. Zaul doesn't give 0,25 which 25% bonus TM. He gives 20%.

    Just lol, get a calculator, I said 209/0,8 not X, you keep believeing what you think, but stop giving misleading information, by why you said the OP's Sith Assassin would go before the enemy 's palpa, but it doesn't because the calculation it's how I said. Just keep believeing the wrong thing and tryin to be right. But you are wrong, you don't even know what you are talking about. Go and learn some maths. Or else reread my post where I explain perfectly how to do the maths.

    TofuMao wrote: »
    209 + (209x0.2) = 209 + 41.8 = 250.8

    You could also do 209 x 1.2 directly.
    209x0,8=261,5 geez this people that can't add up and even have the guts to post before checking what's right or wrong.

    Stop exploding like a child, it's exactly what you said.

    EXPLAIN PLEASE - Why do you multiply x1.25 . PLEASE enlighten me. 209 x 1.25 = 209 / 0.8 = 209 + (209 x 0.25). Now as a good friend, please explain WHY.
  • TofuMao
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    Pyrefly wrote: »
    Think about it this way. Pretend Dooku has 100 speed, and the TM is 1000 speed units long. It would take 10 ticks to get full TM. Under Zaul, he'd start at 200/1000, so he would only need 800, or 8 ticks, to reach full TM.
    For a character on the other team, you'd be starting at 0/1000, so in order to match Dooku, you'd need to do the full 1000 in 8 ticks, which is 1000/8, or 125 speed.
    This is because if you spell the math out, you're really dividing by 0.8, which correlates to multiplying by 1.25.
    Exactly, you need to fill 5 parts of TM for the opposite 4 that is 5/4=1.25 but some will never understand that.
  • Pyrefly
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    TofuMao wrote: »
    TofuMao wrote: »
    209 + (209x0.2) = 209 + 41.8 = 250.8

    You could also do 209 x 1.2 directly.

    No, get a calculator and do it yourself. You are getting the point wrong, it's not adding 20% speed it's taking of a 0,2 of the TM bar, then, they only have to fill 0.8 of their TM wich is in a way faster. 209x0,8=261,5 geez this people that can't add up and even have the guts to post before checking what's right or wrong.

    By what you say, the OP's opposite palpa would have an effective speed of 194x1,2=232,8 so his SA at 235 would go before, but no, as palpa only has to fill 0,8 of he TM bar is 194/0,8=242,5 wich is the real speed he gets for the first turn.

    Read the post above you, you're not calculating at what speed they'll start, you are calculating how much more speed they'll need in order to fill the TM. Why? What you want to figure out is how much speed YOU need to go before them. So you calculate it by doing 209 x 1.2 which gives you 250.8 speed. This is the speed at which Dooku will begin his turn and in order to beat him you'll need 252 speed.


    Also you can't talk about someone not being able to sum up, and in the same moment saying that 209x0,8 = 261.5...... 209 x 0,8 = 167. And then you need to add 167 to 209 which gives you 376 speed. Are you trying to tell me that his Dooku is going to have 376 speed at the start of the encounter??

    376 speed is how much more he needs on top of the 250.8 to go first. Even if you did it correctly(which is 209 x 0,25 by your logic) and got 261,5, this is still the wrong answer. Zaul doesn't give 0,25 which 25% bonus TM. He gives 20%.

    Just lol, get a calculator, I said 209/0,8 not X, you keep believeing what you think, but stop giving misleading information, by why you said the OP's Sith Assassin would go before the enemy 's palpa, but it doesn't because the calculation it's how I said. Just keep believeing the wrong thing and tryin to be right. But you are wrong, you don't even know what you are talking about. Go and learn some maths. Or else reread my post where I explain perfectly how to do the maths.

    TofuMao wrote: »
    209 + (209x0.2) = 209 + 41.8 = 250.8

    You could also do 209 x 1.2 directly.
    209x0,8=261,5 geez this people that can't add up and even have the guts to post before checking what's right or wrong.

    Stop exploding like a child, it's exactly what you said.

    EXPLAIN PLEASE - Why do you multiply x1.25 . PLEASE enlighten me. 209 x 1.25 = 209 / 0.8 = 209 + (209 x 0.25). Now as a good friend, please explain WHY.
    Read my comment above yours for the practical explanation. The simple math explanation is the same one I gave near the top of the thread. 1.25 (or 5/4) is what your speed needs to be multiplied by to offset the fact that the other team only needs to fill 4/5 of their TM bar.
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  • Tactyou
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    Stop the argument. For lazy guys it's just the speed x 1.25
  • TofuMao
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    Tactyou wrote: »
    Stop the argument. For lazy guys it's just the speed x 1.25

    Not an argument, it's more trying to explain some 1800's dude how a smartphone works, and he replies saying you're still wrong just because he can't understand it
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