The New Meta... And Anit-Meta
It's becoming clear, at least in my shard, that the team to beat is a CLS-led crit-heavy Rebel team. It doesn't really matter if it's Raid Han, Leia, Fulcrum, or Wiggs (or some combination), generally with R2 and GK. Especially difficult if this team is loaded with lots of speed.
I've done some testing with my own Rebels and CLS lead and it's clear I don't have enough speed to beat them at their own game. And in comes Rex as the anti-meta. He's not the team to beat anymore, but he remains as a strong anti-meta (and maybe he always will be). GK is a requirement, as well, to handle the incoming crits by handing out Crit Immunity and taking the heat away from your damage dealers.
For me, the rest of the team fills out nicely with Thrawn, Nihilus, and zeta'ed FOST. I get the feeling that FOST gives me a nice hand up in the current environment as a high defense tank that can hand out defense up to the team, take some heat off of GK with his taunt, self-cleanse, dispel buffs when he has advantage.
Against the CLS teams I usually lose GK and FOST, or they get worn down, but they give me enough time to take out the rest of the team. Thrawn's Fracture is especially powerful to reduce incoming DPS, as well as his protection heal and the ability to make Nihilus go faster when needed.
Have you found a good response to fast CLS teams?
I've done some testing with my own Rebels and CLS lead and it's clear I don't have enough speed to beat them at their own game. And in comes Rex as the anti-meta. He's not the team to beat anymore, but he remains as a strong anti-meta (and maybe he always will be). GK is a requirement, as well, to handle the incoming crits by handing out Crit Immunity and taking the heat away from your damage dealers.
For me, the rest of the team fills out nicely with Thrawn, Nihilus, and zeta'ed FOST. I get the feeling that FOST gives me a nice hand up in the current environment as a high defense tank that can hand out defense up to the team, take some heat off of GK with his taunt, self-cleanse, dispel buffs when he has advantage.
Against the CLS teams I usually lose GK and FOST, or they get worn down, but they give me enough time to take out the rest of the team. Thrawn's Fracture is especially powerful to reduce incoming DPS, as well as his protection heal and the ability to make Nihilus go faster when needed.
Have you found a good response to fast CLS teams?
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CLS Thrawn r-2 Leia Raid Han. Your raid Han will carry you through your poorer mods.
right now are han tie breaks decided by rng or speed?
My shard is still all Rex/GK/R2/Nihilus/Thrawn.
Seems to work ok. Managed 1st last night and top 4 consistently
Rex is not the meta any longer, at least not on my shard. CLS Rebels teams are. But Rex can help you overcome them. Rex has a long history of going back and forth between being the meta and being the anti-meta.
And "meta" in this game, as I have noticed, tends to mean "the popular powerful team that is the team to beat". CLS Rebel teams are now the "team to beat", and Rex can help you do so.
I was thinking of subbing in CLS instead of my Nihilus when I get a zeta or two on him
I subbed out Thrawn for him. Suppose I could take dn out for Thrawn depending on who I was facing and what I needed.
RNG
I am just not going to get into this right now, or at all actually
Maybe the best CLS squads have yet to hit my shard yet but I have yet to lose to one in offense.
Shoretrooper is a must with his crit immunity.
From the feedback in my shard chat, classic triple cleanse Rex teams a
Well, you see, the meta was debuff teams. So, to counter that, people began running Rex, the anti-meta. More and more people joined this anti-meta wave, until a majority of players were using the anti-meta.
Actually, yes, I've heard that's a viable alternative. There's another player on my shard that runs a Thrawn team with Shoretrooper, GK, Nihilus, and Deathtrooper that also deals with the CLS Rebel teams quite well. Most of the rest on my shard have issues beating them.
Yes, it would appear that he flips back and forth.
To me it comes down to how you define "the meta". And in fact "the meta" can be different per shard. That's part of what playing the meta, means. You notice certain teams being run on your shard and instead of coming up with the "theoretically 'best' team", you come up with a team that can fight (and possibly defend) well against the teams you face.
In fact, if there was to be an argument here, I'd argue that Rex previously wasn't "the meta", but triple cleanse was, with Rex being the best leader of that group. And an even larger look, it was really Chaze as the meta, with the triple cleanse as the best/most popular setup with Chaze. I'd argue last month that Thrawn was "the meta" as he was the most popular character on the most powerful teams.
When people like to analyze "the meta" they look at the most popular leaders. Rex is always high on the list because he's still and has been for some time the best "no synergy" leader, that is, the best leader of a team that wasn't built around a particular faction, like sith, empire, and now rebels, and helps people that don't have the speed of others.
But I can see both views. If Rex is popular among those that I have described as "not meta", then Rex is the team you have to keep in mind when building a non-Rex team.
But I think we both can agree that Zaul is no longer "the meta"
Agree 100% - CD immunity with zThrawn as well is batting 1.000% so far
RNG is the tiebreaker.
But Rex is the most popular leader, so by your standards, Rex is meta.
If you read to the bottom of my post, then you saw that I said I can see both ways of looking at it, yes?
I fought a couple Zaul teams with my CLS-led Rebels. They fall even faster than before. Since R2 is on most or all CLS teams, I don't think Zaul is the answer.
Honestly, I see Zaul teams making a comeback if CLS gets pretty prevalent. Stealth and AoE daze are two pretty big counters to counterattacks.