If you thought about this reasonably instead of the knee-**** doom and gloom, you would realize that you’re going to have double the offensive teams and can afford to put in good squads on defense to soak up their limited number of attacks, then use your numerical superiority to easily attrition away their defenses.
This is your answer. You are not being punished. You have advantage come Offensive phase.
Well since we are fighting a team that sandbagged (deliberately or not I don’t know) I can tell you how this plays out.
Our guild is 80 mil. Theirs is 90 mil. This means each player there is of a higher avg power than ours. This translates to stronger teams in their arsenal. They might be competing with less players but those players are much stronger and have stronger defenses.
In our first TW we faced a very evenly matched guild and it came down to tactics.
In this tw my guild is 29 gp and we went up against 38 gp and whipped them because of our defensive stragety. I still don’t understand your unfair premise
So we are a 99mil gp guild the team across from us is at 103 mil gp so we shouldn't be playing them...but wait 1or 2 members didn't join and now they are on are lvl. Its not cheating but it still stinks, I'm not really upset with that. What I am upset about is that we get punished because since they are missing players we can only set 24 defensive teams we have all 50 we should not be punished for another team being unable to produce weather it is intentional or not.
So we are a 99mil gp guild the team across from us is at 103 mil gp so we shouldn't be playing them...but wait 1or 2 members didn't join and now they are on are lvl. Its not cheating but it still stinks, I'm not really upset with that. What I am upset about is that we get punished because since they are missing players we can only set 24 defensive teams we have all 50 we should not be punished for another team being unable to produce weather it is intentional or not.
So you basically want to win from the start just because you have 50 members joining the TW whilst they only have 48. The game should just send you the winning rewards right after matchmaking then.
I agree but combined if you have but if combined 50 is equal to the other teams and then 25 if your guys don't show up how is that the other guilds problem? Need to crack the whip on your guild.
This is the equivalent of the penalty shootout in football, where a team with 11 players against a team with 10 must nominate someone to sit out the penalties so that the team with fewer players don’t get the advantage of their best penalty takers going earlier than the others if it gets that far. Except on this occasion you can send in your best more frequently than if it were 25 slots.
Just prior to the second TW our Guild had someone leave for personal reasons, someone rushed into hospital for an operation and someone who couldn’t register as they were in a remote location with no internet during sign up.
That put us on 47 and we had a max defence slot of 23.
Imagine our opponent still had 25, as you’re suggesting would be fair? What possible motivation would there be for us to bother fighting any battles?
Yeah your point is that it isn't fair that you don't get more spots because you assume you will tie. By limiting you to 25 spots that means that you have more attackers yes, but it also means you can use some stronger chars on defense and use that to your advantage to help prevent them from clearing. You having more people gives you an advantage any way you look at it. You have a better chance of atippimg them and preventing them from clearing. If you are going to simply assume you're gonna get cleared maybe you need to worry about your strategy. If you faced a guild with 50 people in and got your 25 spots it isn't going to stop them from clearing your board and you ending up tied. You're crying because the advantage you're getting isn't the one you want. If your strategy is good you can win any way you shake it. This is PvP, sorry there is no simple auto win option for you, if you're that upset go play a game with no PvP because you're never gonna get handed a win.
I agree but combined if you have but if combined 50 is equal to the other teams and then 25 if your guys don't show up how is that the other guilds problem? Need to crack the whip on your guild.
This is the equivalent of the penalty shootout in football, where a team with 11 players against a team with 10 must nominate someone to sit out the penalties so that the team with fewer players don’t get the advantage of their best penalty takers going earlier than the others if it gets that far. Except on this occasion you can send in your best more frequently than if it were 25 slots.
Just prior to the second TW our Guild had someone leave for personal reasons, someone rushed into hospital for an operation and someone who couldn’t register as they were in a remote location with no internet during sign up.
That put us on 47 and we had a max defence slot of 23.
Imagine our opponent still had 25, as you’re suggesting would be fair? What possible motivation would there be for us to bother fighting any battles?
I understand stand that things happen but it is still a system that does in fact punish one side for having all of their team. To use your example I don't know the rules of football as I am a dirty American. If the game was about to start and one team showed up with one less man required to actually take would it be fair to make the other team sit a player? For the sake of argument the other team with more players is going to have more subs to come in. But how much does that happen in football? I don't know much but I don't think it's alot I could be wrong though. If they just set the rule that it was always 25 defensive teams then that's fine but they don't and because of that I have issue because my defensive placement is based on the other teams ablity to bring all their players to the battle. And my team should not be effected by that. That's all I'm trying to say.
So we are a 99mil gp guild the team across from us is at 103 mil gp so we shouldn't be playing them...but wait 1or 2 members didn't join and now they are on are lvl. Its not cheating but it still stinks, I'm not really upset with that. What I am upset about is that we get punished because since they are missing players we can only set 24 defensive teams we have all 50 we should not be punished for another team being unable to produce weather it is intentional or not.
So you basically want to win from the start just because you have 50 members joining the TW whilst they only have 48. The game should just send you the winning rewards right after matchmaking then.
Funny you say that we tied and the game gave us 10 less points so the other team won. So there "disadvantage" didn't hurt them at all. Even with all our "extra teams" which boils down to like 6 if that.
So we are a 99mil gp guild the team across from us is at 103 mil gp so we shouldn't be playing them...but wait 1or 2 members didn't join and now they are on are lvl. Its not cheating but it still stinks, I'm not really upset with that. What I am upset about is that we get punished because since they are missing players we can only set 24 defensive teams we have all 50 we should not be punished for another team being unable to produce weather it is intentional or not.
All you really said here is that you don’t know what sandbagging means.
To sandbag is to hold back to get an advantage they were at 103 mil dropped down to 99mil had they been at 103 they could have played a team that had a total of 110 so and not saying they did it intentionally they dropped back to be on the high end of the bracket hopping to get a crappy tram team to get the win. Like the person who is mentioned in my thread about fighting a much stronger guild.
So we are a 99mil gp guild the team across from us is at 103 mil gp so we shouldn't be playing them...but wait 1or 2 members didn't join and now they are on are lvl. Its not cheating but it still stinks, I'm not really upset with that. What I am upset about is that we get punished because since they are missing players we can only set 24 defensive teams we have all 50 we should not be punished for another team being unable to produce weather it is intentional or not.
All you really said here is that you don’t know what sandbagging means.
To sandbag is to hold back to get an advantage they were at 103 mil dropped down to 99mil had they been at 103 they could have played a team that had a total of 110 so and not saying they did it intentionally they dropped back to be on the high end of the bracket hopping to get a **** tram team to get the win. Like the person who is mentioned in my thread about fighting a much stronger guild.
Or maybe 2/3 is their guild members never signed up for TW , therefore kept in the lower bracket. How is this wrong?
Some people are busy and also some guilds should be able to make the executive decision to play or bench a player. It’s pretty similar to professional sports getting close to the playoffs. Bench some people to get an advantage
Maybe I'm missing something. But, how is it a 'punishment' to get to use less of your weaker defensive squads? Unless you have enough uber-defensive squads to fill every slot...?
First off you could gain an additional 20 per member that they didn't get locked in. And second they will have to use extra squads to clear each area. Both of those would really help in beating these sandbagging guilds
Our guild has all 50 members locked in and yet we can only place 23. So the guild (with 10.5mil more gp)that sandbagged to drop into our bracket only sent 46. We should be able to place 25 in our areas and them only 23. Since this is a much larger guild that chooses to manipulate the system they should be made to pay some consequences. By allowing the full 50 guild those 2 extra defense per area adds up to an additional 400 banners. As well as costing the other guild an additional 20+ squads to clear the 2 extra defensive placements per area. Would probably make these sandbagged a little less likely to do so if they have to start in a hole.
Our guild has all 50 members locked in and yet we can only place 23. So the guild (with 10.5mil more gp)that sandbagged to drop into our bracket only sent 46. We should be able to place 25 in our areas and them only 23. Since this is a much larger guild that chooses to manipulate the system they should be made to pay some consequences. By allowing the full 50 guild those 2 extra defense per area adds up to an additional 400 banners. As well as costing the other guild an additional 20+ squads to clear the 2 extra defensive placements per area. Would probably make these sandbagged a little less likely to do so if they have to start in a hole.
that would be super unfair. What if a guild only has 48 members?
Our guild has all 50 members locked in and yet we can only place 23. So the guild (with 10.5mil more gp)that sandbagged to drop into our bracket only sent 46. We should be able to place 25 in our areas and them only 23. Since this is a much larger guild that chooses to manipulate the system they should be made to pay some consequences. By allowing the full 50 guild those 2 extra defense per area adds up to an additional 400 banners. As well as costing the other guild an additional 20+ squads to clear the 2 extra defensive placements per area. Would probably make these sandbagged a little less likely to do so if they have to start in a hole.
that would be super unfair. What if a guild only has 48 members?
Then blame the guilds who use this substandard gaming practice to manipulate and ruin a perfectly good event. The first 2 where great, but, guilds have learned that if they drop down a bracket and have far superior squad and toons that they can get a whole 1 extra zeta. Even though some of the members of that guild have to miss out. Lame and pathetic. I've read numerous posts from guilds just not setting defense and not even attacking and taking the 2nd spot. So the huge negativity of this tactic is ruining TW at a very fast rate. It will crumble if the devs don't do something to stop this behavior from these greedy guilds. I pray they do something soon. The members in my guild have all but given up in this TW as the guild we are up against is 10.5 mil stronger and in a separate rewards bracket. I can't help the fairness issue, but, it's unfair for these guilds to prey on weaker guilds. Bullys all of them.
Our guild has all 50 members locked in and yet we can only place 23. So the guild (with 10.5mil more gp)that sandbagged to drop into our bracket only sent 46. We should be able to place 25 in our areas and them only 23. Since this is a much larger guild that chooses to manipulate the system they should be made to pay some consequences. By allowing the full 50 guild those 2 extra defense per area adds up to an additional 400 banners. As well as costing the other guild an additional 20+ squads to clear the 2 extra defensive placements per area. Would probably make these sandbagged a little less likely to do so if they have to start in a hole.
that would be super unfair. What if a guild only has 48 members?
Then blame the guilds who use this substandard gaming practice to manipulate and ruin a perfectly good event. The first 2 where great, but, guilds have learned that if they drop down a bracket and have far superior squad and toons that they can get a whole 1 extra zeta. Even though some of the members of that guild have to miss out. Lame and pathetic. I've read numerous posts from guilds just not setting defense and not even attacking and taking the 2nd spot. So the huge negativity of this tactic is ruining TW at a very fast rate. It will crumble if the devs don't do something to stop this behavior from these greedy guilds. I pray they do something soon. The members in my guild have all but given up in this TW as the guild we are up against is 10.5 mil stronger and in a separate rewards bracket. I can't help the fairness issue, but, it's unfair for these guilds to prey on weaker guilds. Bullys all of them.
So you're okay with unfair, as long as it doesn't affect your guild negatively. Gotcha.
Our guild has all 50 members locked in and yet we can only place 23. So the guild (with 10.5mil more gp)that sandbagged to drop into our bracket only sent 46. We should be able to place 25 in our areas and them only 23. Since this is a much larger guild that chooses to manipulate the system they should be made to pay some consequences. By allowing the full 50 guild those 2 extra defense per area adds up to an additional 400 banners. As well as costing the other guild an additional 20+ squads to clear the 2 extra defensive placements per area. Would probably make these sandbagged a little less likely to do so if they have to start in a hole.
that would be super unfair. What if a guild only has 48 members?
Then blame the guilds who use this substandard gaming practice to manipulate and ruin a perfectly good event. The first 2 where great, but, guilds have learned that if they drop down a bracket and have far superior squad and toons that they can get a whole 1 extra zeta. Even though some of the members of that guild have to miss out. Lame and pathetic. I've read numerous posts from guilds just not setting defense and not even attacking and taking the 2nd spot. So the huge negativity of this tactic is ruining TW at a very fast rate. It will crumble if the devs don't do something to stop this behavior from these greedy guilds. I pray they do something soon. The members in my guild have all but given up in this TW as the guild we are up against is 10.5 mil stronger and in a separate rewards bracket. I can't help the fairness issue, but, it's unfair for these guilds to prey on weaker guilds. Bullys all of them.
So you're okay with unfair, as long as it doesn't affect your guild negatively. Gotcha.
Our guild has all 50 members locked in and yet we can only place 23. So the guild (with 10.5mil more gp)that sandbagged to drop into our bracket only sent 46. We should be able to place 25 in our areas and them only 23. Since this is a much larger guild that chooses to manipulate the system they should be made to pay some consequences. By allowing the full 50 guild those 2 extra defense per area adds up to an additional 400 banners. As well as costing the other guild an additional 20+ squads to clear the 2 extra defensive placements per area. Would probably make these sandbagged a little less likely to do so if they have to start in a hole.
that would be super unfair. What if a guild only has 48 members?
Then blame the guilds who use this substandard gaming practice to manipulate and ruin a perfectly good event. The first 2 where great, but, guilds have learned that if they drop down a bracket and have far superior squad and toons that they can get a whole 1 extra zeta. Even though some of the members of that guild have to miss out. Lame and pathetic. I've read numerous posts from guilds just not setting defense and not even attacking and taking the 2nd spot. So the huge negativity of this tactic is ruining TW at a very fast rate. It will crumble if the devs don't do something to stop this behavior from these greedy guilds. I pray they do something soon. The members in my guild have all but given up in this TW as the guild we are up against is 10.5 mil stronger and in a separate rewards bracket. I can't help the fairness issue, but, it's unfair for these guilds to prey on weaker guilds. Bullys all of them.
So you're okay with unfair, as long as it doesn't affect your guild negatively. Gotcha.
You must be a sandbagger
No, i'm not. I'm also not looking for an unfair advantage vs sandbaggers. So i guess i'm better than both you and the sandbaggers.
Our guild has all 50 members locked in and yet we can only place 23. So the guild (with 10.5mil more gp)that sandbagged to drop into our bracket only sent 46. We should be able to place 25 in our areas and them only 23. Since this is a much larger guild that chooses to manipulate the system they should be made to pay some consequences. By allowing the full 50 guild those 2 extra defense per area adds up to an additional 400 banners. As well as costing the other guild an additional 20+ squads to clear the 2 extra defensive placements per area. Would probably make these sandbagged a little less likely to do so if they have to start in a hole.
that would be super unfair. What if a guild only has 48 members?
Then blame the guilds who use this substandard gaming practice to manipulate and ruin a perfectly good event. The first 2 where great, but, guilds have learned that if they drop down a bracket and have far superior squad and toons that they can get a whole 1 extra zeta. Even though some of the members of that guild have to miss out. Lame and pathetic. I've read numerous posts from guilds just not setting defense and not even attacking and taking the 2nd spot. So the huge negativity of this tactic is ruining TW at a very fast rate. It will crumble if the devs don't do something to stop this behavior from these greedy guilds. I pray they do something soon. The members in my guild have all but given up in this TW as the guild we are up against is 10.5 mil stronger and in a separate rewards bracket. I can't help the fairness issue, but, it's unfair for these guilds to prey on weaker guilds. Bullys all of them.
So you're okay with unfair, as long as it doesn't affect your guild negatively. Gotcha.
You must be a sandbagger
No, i'm not. I'm also not looking for an unfair advantage vs sandbaggers. So i guess i'm better than both you and the sandbaggers.
Then why are you here putting your 2 cents where you supposedly don't care? Nobody cares about your "superiority". If you don't have an issue with this topic then go somewhere else and annoy others with you greatness.
Our guild has all 50 members locked in and yet we can only place 23. So the guild (with 10.5mil more gp)that sandbagged to drop into our bracket only sent 46. We should be able to place 25 in our areas and them only 23. Since this is a much larger guild that chooses to manipulate the system they should be made to pay some consequences. By allowing the full 50 guild those 2 extra defense per area adds up to an additional 400 banners. As well as costing the other guild an additional 20+ squads to clear the 2 extra defensive placements per area. Would probably make these sandbagged a little less likely to do so if they have to start in a hole.
that would be super unfair. What if a guild only has 48 members?
Then blame the guilds who use this substandard gaming practice to manipulate and ruin a perfectly good event. The first 2 where great, but, guilds have learned that if they drop down a bracket and have far superior squad and toons that they can get a whole 1 extra zeta. Even though some of the members of that guild have to miss out. Lame and pathetic. I've read numerous posts from guilds just not setting defense and not even attacking and taking the 2nd spot. So the huge negativity of this tactic is ruining TW at a very fast rate. It will crumble if the devs don't do something to stop this behavior from these greedy guilds. I pray they do something soon. The members in my guild have all but given up in this TW as the guild we are up against is 10.5 mil stronger and in a separate rewards bracket. I can't help the fairness issue, but, it's unfair for these guilds to prey on weaker guilds. Bullys all of them.
So you're okay with unfair, as long as it doesn't affect your guild negatively. Gotcha.
You must be a sandbagger
No, i'm not. I'm also not looking for an unfair advantage vs sandbaggers. So i guess i'm better than both you and the sandbaggers.
Then why are you here putting your 2 cents where you supposedly don't care? Nobody cares about your "superiority". If you don't have an issue with this topic then go somewhere else and annoy others with you greatness.
I do care, not sure why you think i don't. That's why i responded. I only acted superior because you started throwing baseless accusations around simply because i didn't agree with you.
I was hoping that my comments would help you understand that fixing something by making it just as unfair, but for someone other than yourself, isn't a great sollution.
Our guild has all 50 members locked in and yet we can only place 23. So the guild (with 10.5mil more gp)that sandbagged to drop into our bracket only sent 46. We should be able to place 25 in our areas and them only 23. Since this is a much larger guild that chooses to manipulate the system they should be made to pay some consequences. By allowing the full 50 guild those 2 extra defense per area adds up to an additional 400 banners. As well as costing the other guild an additional 20+ squads to clear the 2 extra defensive placements per area. Would probably make these sandbagged a little less likely to do so if they have to start in a hole.
that would be super unfair. What if a guild only has 48 members?
Then blame the guilds who use this substandard gaming practice to manipulate and ruin a perfectly good event. The first 2 where great, but, guilds have learned that if they drop down a bracket and have far superior squad and toons that they can get a whole 1 extra zeta. Even though some of the members of that guild have to miss out. Lame and pathetic. I've read numerous posts from guilds just not setting defense and not even attacking and taking the 2nd spot. So the huge negativity of this tactic is ruining TW at a very fast rate. It will crumble if the devs don't do something to stop this behavior from these greedy guilds. I pray they do something soon. The members in my guild have all but given up in this TW as the guild we are up against is 10.5 mil stronger and in a separate rewards bracket. I can't help the fairness issue, but, it's unfair for these guilds to prey on weaker guilds. Bullys all of them.
So you're okay with unfair, as long as it doesn't affect your guild negatively. Gotcha.
You must be a sandbagger
No, i'm not. I'm also not looking for an unfair advantage vs sandbaggers. So i guess i'm better than both you and the sandbaggers.
Then why are you here putting your 2 cents where you supposedly don't care? Nobody cares about your "superiority". If you don't have an issue with this topic then go somewhere else and annoy others with you greatness.
I do care, not sure why you think i don't. That's why i responded. I only acted superior because you started throwing baseless accusations around simply because i didn't agree with you.
I was hoping that my comments would help you understand that fixing something by making it just as unfair, but for someone other than yourself, isn't a great sollution.
I agree that it's not a perfect and even fair solution, but, sonething has to be done before TW falls out of existence. In just 3 TW's people are already giving up on it. That is not a good start. I'm just one mind CG has many and I'm sure that they can take bits and pieces from the players and put together something that will be fair. Our guild has won and lost, but, we enjoyed both as the matchups were fair. What these other guilds are doing is hurting the whole purpose of the event. What was once fun is now something that nobody wants or cares about doing. Why battle these larger guilds? Just give up and take 2nd is what's going around and it's accelerating at a phenomenal rate. Sad that this is what this event has come to, but, it's nothing more than the truth.
If you aren't in a top tier guild that can win by defense, why not just put really crappy defenses and save all your good teams for offense? I know some guilds that have done that and they easily tie for 2nd. If you can't win, drag the other guild down lol.
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This is your answer. You are not being punished. You have advantage come Offensive phase.
Our guild is 80 mil. Theirs is 90 mil. This means each player there is of a higher avg power than ours. This translates to stronger teams in their arsenal. They might be competing with less players but those players are much stronger and have stronger defenses.
In our first TW we faced a very evenly matched guild and it came down to tactics.
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All you really said here is that you don’t know what sandbagging means.
So you basically want to win from the start just because you have 50 members joining the TW whilst they only have 48. The game should just send you the winning rewards right after matchmaking then.
Do a guild search under advanced search. Type their name in.
This is the equivalent of the penalty shootout in football, where a team with 11 players against a team with 10 must nominate someone to sit out the penalties so that the team with fewer players don’t get the advantage of their best penalty takers going earlier than the others if it gets that far. Except on this occasion you can send in your best more frequently than if it were 25 slots.
Just prior to the second TW our Guild had someone leave for personal reasons, someone rushed into hospital for an operation and someone who couldn’t register as they were in a remote location with no internet during sign up.
That put us on 47 and we had a max defence slot of 23.
Imagine our opponent still had 25, as you’re suggesting would be fair? What possible motivation would there be for us to bother fighting any battles?
I understand stand that things happen but it is still a system that does in fact punish one side for having all of their team. To use your example I don't know the rules of football as I am a dirty American. If the game was about to start and one team showed up with one less man required to actually take would it be fair to make the other team sit a player? For the sake of argument the other team with more players is going to have more subs to come in. But how much does that happen in football? I don't know much but I don't think it's alot I could be wrong though. If they just set the rule that it was always 25 defensive teams then that's fine but they don't and because of that I have issue because my defensive placement is based on the other teams ablity to bring all their players to the battle. And my team should not be effected by that. That's all I'm trying to say.
To sandbag is to hold back to get an advantage they were at 103 mil dropped down to 99mil had they been at 103 they could have played a team that had a total of 110 so and not saying they did it intentionally they dropped back to be on the high end of the bracket hopping to get a crappy tram team to get the win. Like the person who is mentioned in my thread about fighting a much stronger guild.
Or maybe 2/3 is their guild members never signed up for TW , therefore kept in the lower bracket. How is this wrong?
Some people are busy and also some guilds should be able to make the executive decision to play or bench a player. It’s pretty similar to professional sports getting close to the playoffs. Bench some people to get an advantage
First off you could gain an additional 20 per member that they didn't get locked in. And second they will have to use extra squads to clear each area. Both of those would really help in beating these sandbagging guilds
that would be super unfair. What if a guild only has 48 members?
Then blame the guilds who use this substandard gaming practice to manipulate and ruin a perfectly good event. The first 2 where great, but, guilds have learned that if they drop down a bracket and have far superior squad and toons that they can get a whole 1 extra zeta. Even though some of the members of that guild have to miss out. Lame and pathetic. I've read numerous posts from guilds just not setting defense and not even attacking and taking the 2nd spot. So the huge negativity of this tactic is ruining TW at a very fast rate. It will crumble if the devs don't do something to stop this behavior from these greedy guilds. I pray they do something soon. The members in my guild have all but given up in this TW as the guild we are up against is 10.5 mil stronger and in a separate rewards bracket. I can't help the fairness issue, but, it's unfair for these guilds to prey on weaker guilds. Bullys all of them.
So you're okay with unfair, as long as it doesn't affect your guild negatively. Gotcha.
You must be a sandbagger
Then why are you here putting your 2 cents where you supposedly don't care? Nobody cares about your "superiority". If you don't have an issue with this topic then go somewhere else and annoy others with you greatness.
I do care, not sure why you think i don't. That's why i responded. I only acted superior because you started throwing baseless accusations around simply because i didn't agree with you.
I was hoping that my comments would help you understand that fixing something by making it just as unfair, but for someone other than yourself, isn't a great sollution.
I agree that it's not a perfect and even fair solution, but, sonething has to be done before TW falls out of existence. In just 3 TW's people are already giving up on it. That is not a good start. I'm just one mind CG has many and I'm sure that they can take bits and pieces from the players and put together something that will be fair. Our guild has won and lost, but, we enjoyed both as the matchups were fair. What these other guilds are doing is hurting the whole purpose of the event. What was once fun is now something that nobody wants or cares about doing. Why battle these larger guilds? Just give up and take 2nd is what's going around and it's accelerating at a phenomenal rate. Sad that this is what this event has come to, but, it's nothing more than the truth.
Recruiting solid 3mil+ GP players, pm for info